"Free Speech" in England?

[PoliticalChic]

The following should make all of us grateful for the freedom we have in this great nation, and, particularly on USMB, to express ourselves as we see fit.

Not so in our anglophonic once-great sister nation.

Author Melanie Phillips made the mistake of refering to the murders of the Israeli family as as 'morally depraved', and identified them as Arabs, in the UK Spectator.

This is a "hate-crime" in the UK, and the (liberal) Guardian trumpeted the greivance. Part of the article is summarized below; note the last section, as it applies to the US.

March 28, 2011
How I became a hate ’suspect’
Melanie Phillips’s Articles
1. The Guardian devoted an entire story last weekend to the claim that I was being investigated by both the Press Complaints Commission and the police. The Bedfordshire police.

2. My crime apparently lay in what I had written on my Spectator blog about the massacre of Udi and Ruth Fogel and their three children, 11-year-old Yoav, four-year-old Elad and three-month-old Hadas, who had their throats cut at home in the Samarian neighbourhood of Itamar while most of them were asleep.

3. I had written about the moral depravity of the Arabs who almost certainly committed this atrocity - and also the savagery of the Palestinian Authority whose institutions incite hatred of Jews and the murder of Israelis, and which honours such murderers by naming streets and squares after them.

4. The complaint was that I had thus accused every single Arab in the world of being savage and depraved. This was totally absurd. As was obvious from the context, I was referring specifically to those Arabs behind the atrocity and those who incite and glorify such deeds.

5. And what on earth had this got to do with the Bedfordshire police? You may well ask. A clue was surely provided by the Muslim activist, Inayat Bunglawala, one of the PCC complainants, who raged that I had defamed the entire Arab people.

6. Hate-crime legislation, which has turned the police into a thin blue inquisition against dissent, provides such people with the means to smear their chosen targets, and encourages them to try to silence views with which they disagree.

 

[The Infidel]

Michael Savage banned in Britain

 

[chanel]

Although it is hard to imagine this happening in the US, there are certainly powerful people and organizations pushing for it and we should ALL be grateful to those "rightwing noise machines" for warning us. The liberal MSM has been virtually silent.

 

[hipeter924]

Although it is hard to imagine this happening in the US, there are certainly powerful people and organizations pushing for it and we should ALL be grateful to those "rightwing noise machines" for warning us. The liberal MSM has been virtually silent.

Free speech is certainly one part of the constitution worth saving, especially if those powerful people and organizations start attacking it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Although it is hard to imagine this happening in the US, there are certainly powerful people and organizations pushing for it and we should ALL be grateful to those "rightwing noise machines" for warning us. The liberal MSM has been virtually silent.

Thank goodness for this Obama administration.....without it we might not be paying attention to the depredations of our freedoms!

The following is related to that censorship design by the Left:

1.“Net neutrality” rules must be implemented while the government should quintuple federal funding for public and community broadcasting, argued Ben Scott, the State Department’s recently appointed policy adviser for innovation.

2. Scott was writing last year in a radical magazine in an article co-authored by Robert W. McChesney (left), an avowed Marxist activist who has called for the dismantlement, “brick-by-brick,” of the U.S. capitalist system, with America being rebuilt as a socialist society.

3. McChesney is the founder of the George Soros-funded Free Press, which petitions for more government control of the Internet and news media.Scott and McChesney also recommended the U.S. impose ownership limits on local radio, TV, and cable channels while pushing for more control of the media by the FCC.

4. The duo were writing in the January/February 2009 edition of Tikkun Magazine, run by avowed Marxist Michael Lerner. “Whatever issue tops your list of priorities, real progress will be impossible unless we first change our media system,” wrote Scott and McChesney. “Currently, access to communications and control over media content are vested in the hands of corporate titans.”

5. The board of Free Press has included a slew of radicals, such as Obama’s former “green jobs” czar Van Jones, who resigned after it was exposed he founded a communist organization. ...Free Press published a study advocating the development of a “world class” government-run media system in the U.S. Free Press has ties to other members of the Obama administration

6. Now the group is pushing a new organization, StopBigMedia.com, that advocates the downfall of “big media” and the creation of new media to “promote local ownership, amplify minority voices, support quality journalism, and bring local artists, voices and viewpoints to the airwaves.”
Klein: Look who wants to quintuple funding for government media. State adviser, Marxist also want more FCC control of airwaves « RBO

 

[Ropey]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/israe...st-as-peres-tours-in-england.html#post3485403

Pretty much says it all PC.

 

[High_Gravity]

I heard they have awesome Kababs in Londonistan.

 

[ogibillm]

Although it is hard to imagine this happening in the US, there are certainly powerful people and organizations pushing for it and we should ALL be grateful to those "rightwing noise machines" for warning us. The liberal MSM has been virtually silent.

Thank goodness for this Obama administration.....without it we might not be paying attention to the depredations of our freedoms!

The following is related to that censorship design by the Left:

1.“Net neutrality” rules must be implemented while the government should quintuple federal funding for public and community broadcasting, argued Ben Scott, the State Department’s recently appointed policy adviser for innovation.

i just want to stop you there... are you truly claiming that net neutrality is somehow a form of censorship?

as to the woman in the op and england in general - no, there is no absolute right to free speech in the uk. there never has been. we should be glad of the constitutional guarantees that we have and she should either work to have the laws changed or abide by them.

 

[chanel]

Well who woulda thunk that using the phrase "moral depravity" in describing a morally depraved act would be illegal even in England? This woman didn't and I imagine many decent British citizens did not either.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Although it is hard to imagine this happening in the US, there are certainly powerful people and organizations pushing for it and we should ALL be grateful to those "rightwing noise machines" for warning us. The liberal MSM has been virtually silent.

Thank goodness for this Obama administration.....without it we might not be paying attention to the depredations of our freedoms!

The following is related to that censorship design by the Left:

1.“Net neutrality” rules must be implemented while the government should quintuple federal funding for public and community broadcasting, argued Ben Scott, the State Department’s recently appointed policy adviser for innovation.

i just want to stop you there... are you truly claiming that net neutrality is somehow a form of censorship?

as to the woman in the op and england in general - no, there is no absolute right to free speech in the uk. there never has been. we should be glad of the constitutional guarantees that we have and she should either work to have the laws changed or abide by them.

Welcome to the board, Ogi.

Yes, I'm viewing with a jaundiced eye any attempt to quote-unquote 'regulate' the internet or discourse of any kind. Hands off.

Remember Ms. Pelosi stating that 'we have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it...'

Look very carefully at the cast of characters behind net neutrality, and decide if you want them to have any control of the net.

1. Thomas Friedman, on ‘Meet The Press,’ ‘The internet is an open sewer of untreated and unfiltered information.’

a. If the internet existed in 1933, the NYTimes and Walter Duranty would not have been able to bury the story of he millions of Ukrainian farmers who were starved to death by Joseph Stalin and the Communists.

b. If there had been an internet in 1957-1959, Herbert Matthews and the NYTimes would not have been able to claim that Fidel Castro was the new George Washington.


2. A powerful Democratic senator, pointing the finger at cable news for a politically toxic climate in Washington, unleashed a stunning tirade in which he expressed his desire to see the Federal Communications Commission shut down Fox News and MSNBC."I'm tired of the right and the left," West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller said Wednesday during a Senate hearing on retransmission consent. "There's a little bug inside of me which wants to get the FCC to say to Fox and to MSNBC, 'Out. Off. End. Goodbye.' "
"It would be a big favor to political discourse; to our ability to do our work here in Congress; and to the American people, to be able to talk with each other and have some faith in their government and, more importantly, in their future," said the chairman of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation.
Rockefeller didn't seem to realize that the FCC only regulates broadcast airwaves, not cable.
Senator Jay Rockefeller Wishes FCC Would Shut Down Fox News - FoxNews.com


Hands off any medium of discourse.

 

[ogibillm]

Thank goodness for this Obama administration.....without it we might not be paying attention to the depredations of our freedoms!

The following is related to that censorship design by the Left:

1.“Net neutrality” rules must be implemented while the government should quintuple federal funding for public and community broadcasting, argued Ben Scott, the State Department’s recently appointed policy adviser for innovation.

i just want to stop you there... are you truly claiming that net neutrality is somehow a form of censorship?

as to the woman in the op and england in general - no, there is no absolute right to free speech in the uk. there never has been. we should be glad of the constitutional guarantees that we have and she should either work to have the laws changed or abide by them.

Welcome to the board, Ogi.

Yes, I'm viewing with a jaundiced eye any attempt to quote-unquote 'regulate' the internet or discourse of any kind. Hands off.

Remember Ms. Pelosi stating that 'we have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it...'

Look very carefully at the cast of characters behind net neutrality, and decide if you want they to have any control of the net.

1. Thomas Friedman, on ‘Meet The Press,’ ‘The internet is an open sewer of untreated and unfiltered information.’

a. If the internet existed in 1933, the NYTimes and Walter Duranty would not have been able to bury the story of he millions of Ukrainian farmers who were starved to death by Joseph Stalin and the Communists.

b. If there had been an internet in 1957-1959, Herbert Matthews and the NYTimes would not have been able to claim that Fidel Castro was the new George Washington.


2. A powerful Democratic senator, pointing the finger at cable news for a politically toxic climate in Washington, unleashed a stunning tirade in which he expressed his desire to see the Federal Communications Commission shut down Fox News and MSNBC."I'm tired of the right and the left," West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller said Wednesday during a Senate hearing on retransmission consent. "There's a little bug inside of me which wants to get the FCC to say to Fox and to MSNBC, 'Out. Off. End. Goodbye.' "
"It would be a big favor to political discourse; to our ability to do our work here in Congress; and to the American people, to be able to talk with each other and have some faith in their government and, more importantly, in their future," said the chairman of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation.
Rockefeller didn't seem to realize that the FCC only regulates broadcast airwaves, not cable.
Senator Jay Rockefeller Wishes FCC Would Shut Down Fox News - FoxNews.com


Hands off any medium of discourse.

you really have no idea what net neutrality is, do you?

it would simply mean that internet providers couldn't choke access to certain websites or activities.

in other words it prevents someone like time warner deciding that they want their own youtube type of site and denying access or slowing access to youtube.com

there is no censorship or 'control'- if anything it prevents it.

and for what it's worth, i agree with sen. rockefeller - although it would be wrong to do it (and even impossible) we'd be better off as a nation without the likes of fox news and msnbc. but that doesn't mean i'm in any way for censorship.

 

[PoliticalChic]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/israe...st-as-peres-tours-in-england.html#post3485403

Pretty much says it all PC.

Well, here's another one:

This morning Lord Malcolm Pearson, a member of the British House of Lords, announced that he has invited Geert Wilders, a member of the Dutch Parliament, to show the movie Fitna (see it here) in a committee room of the House of Lords next Thursday (12 February). Mr. Wilders has been asked to address a private meeting with members of the British Parliament, explaining to the Peers and MPs why he made Fitna and to engage in an open and frank discussion with them.

This afternoon Mr. Wilders received a letter from the British Embassy in The Hague [see below] saying that he is a “persona non grata” in the United Kingdom. The ambassador told Mr. Wilders that he is a threat to public security and public harmony because of the controversy created by Fitna.
Will Geert Wilders Be Arrested at Heathrow? | The Brussels Journal


Heaven forbid we ever get to that point in the United States.

Then, the next step will be Samizdat.

 

[ogibillm]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/israe...st-as-peres-tours-in-england.html#post3485403

Pretty much says it all PC.

Well, here's another one:

This morning Lord Malcolm Pearson, a member of the British House of Lords, announced that he has invited Geert Wilders, a member of the Dutch Parliament, to show the movie Fitna (see it here) in a committee room of the House of Lords next Thursday (12 February). Mr. Wilders has been asked to address a private meeting with members of the British Parliament, explaining to the Peers and MPs why he made Fitna and to engage in an open and frank discussion with them.

This afternoon Mr. Wilders received a letter from the British Embassy in The Hague [see below] saying that he is a “persona non grata” in the United Kingdom. The ambassador told Mr. Wilders that he is a threat to public security and public harmony because of the controversy created by Fitna.
Will Geert Wilders Be Arrested at Heathrow? | The Brussels Journal


Heaven forbid we ever get to that point in the United States.

Then, the next step will be Samizdat.

you believe that we should allow anyone into the united states regardless of what political or social messages they may preach?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Britain has become incredibly authoritarian over the past couple decades, basically since the Blair administration came to power in the 90s.

 

[Trajan]

i just want to stop you there... are you truly claiming that net neutrality is somehow a form of censorship?

as to the woman in the op and england in general - no, there is no absolute right to free speech in the uk. there never has been. we should be glad of the constitutional guarantees that we have and she should either work to have the laws changed or abide by them.

Welcome to the board, Ogi.

Yes, I'm viewing with a jaundiced eye any attempt to quote-unquote 'regulate' the internet or discourse of any kind. Hands off.

Remember Ms. Pelosi stating that 'we have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it...'

Look very carefully at the cast of characters behind net neutrality, and decide if you want they to have any control of the net.

1. Thomas Friedman, on ‘Meet The Press,’ ‘The internet is an open sewer of untreated and unfiltered information.’

a. If the internet existed in 1933, the NYTimes and Walter Duranty would not have been able to bury the story of he millions of Ukrainian farmers who were starved to death by Joseph Stalin and the Communists.

b. If there had been an internet in 1957-1959, Herbert Matthews and the NYTimes would not have been able to claim that Fidel Castro was the new George Washington.


2. A powerful Democratic senator, pointing the finger at cable news for a politically toxic climate in Washington, unleashed a stunning tirade in which he expressed his desire to see the Federal Communications Commission shut down Fox News and MSNBC."I'm tired of the right and the left," West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller said Wednesday during a Senate hearing on retransmission consent. "There's a little bug inside of me which wants to get the FCC to say to Fox and to MSNBC, 'Out. Off. End. Goodbye.' "
"It would be a big favor to political discourse; to our ability to do our work here in Congress; and to the American people, to be able to talk with each other and have some faith in their government and, more importantly, in their future," said the chairman of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation.
Rockefeller didn't seem to realize that the FCC only regulates broadcast airwaves, not cable.
Senator Jay Rockefeller Wishes FCC Would Shut Down Fox News - FoxNews.com


Hands off any medium of discourse.

you really have no idea what net neutrality is, do you?

it would simply mean that internet providers couldn't choke access to certain websites or activities.

in other words it prevents someone like time warner deciding that they want their own youtube type of site and denying access or slowing access to youtube.com

there is no censorship or 'control'- if anything it prevents it.

and for what it's worth, i agree with sen. rockefeller - although it would be wrong to do it (and even impossible) we'd be better off as a nation without the likes of fox news and msnbc. but that doesn't mean i'm in any way for censorship.

uhm what? no, it means that the IP's could charge to allow the off IP bandwidth.

 

[ogibillm]

Welcome to the board, Ogi.

Yes, I'm viewing with a jaundiced eye any attempt to quote-unquote 'regulate' the internet or discourse of any kind. Hands off.

Remember Ms. Pelosi stating that 'we have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it...'

Look very carefully at the cast of characters behind net neutrality, and decide if you want they to have any control of the net.

1. Thomas Friedman, on ‘Meet The Press,’ ‘The internet is an open sewer of untreated and unfiltered information.’

a. If the internet existed in 1933, the NYTimes and Walter Duranty would not have been able to bury the story of he millions of Ukrainian farmers who were starved to death by Joseph Stalin and the Communists.

b. If there had been an internet in 1957-1959, Herbert Matthews and the NYTimes would not have been able to claim that Fidel Castro was the new George Washington.


2. A powerful Democratic senator, pointing the finger at cable news for a politically toxic climate in Washington, unleashed a stunning tirade in which he expressed his desire to see the Federal Communications Commission shut down Fox News and MSNBC."I'm tired of the right and the left," West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller said Wednesday during a Senate hearing on retransmission consent. "There's a little bug inside of me which wants to get the FCC to say to Fox and to MSNBC, 'Out. Off. End. Goodbye.' "
"It would be a big favor to political discourse; to our ability to do our work here in Congress; and to the American people, to be able to talk with each other and have some faith in their government and, more importantly, in their future," said the chairman of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation.
Rockefeller didn't seem to realize that the FCC only regulates broadcast airwaves, not cable.
Senator Jay Rockefeller Wishes FCC Would Shut Down Fox News - FoxNews.com


Hands off any medium of discourse.

you really have no idea what net neutrality is, do you?

it would simply mean that internet providers couldn't choke access to certain websites or activities.

in other words it prevents someone like time warner deciding that they want their own youtube type of site and denying access or slowing access to youtube.com

there is no censorship or 'control'- if anything it prevents it.

and for what it's worth, i agree with sen. rockefeller - although it would be wrong to do it (and even impossible) we'd be better off as a nation without the likes of fox news and msnbc. but that doesn't mean i'm in any way for censorship.

uhm what? no, it means that the IP's could charge to allow the off IP bandwidth.

i'm not sure what you mean by that but it doesn't in any way sound correct. and i assure you, i am quite correct in the way i describe net neutrality. now there are still valid arguments against it, but to say that it is or would usher in censorship is ridiculous and ignorant.

 

[xsited1]

"Free Speech" in England?

We have history repeating itself. Friedrich von Hayek warned of the danger of tyranny that inevitably results from government control of economic decision-making through central planning.

The abandonment of individualism, liberalism, and freedom inevitably leads to socialist or fascist oppression and tyranny and the serfdom of the individual.

 

[PoliticalChic]

i just want to stop you there... are you truly claiming that net neutrality is somehow a form of censorship?

as to the woman in the op and england in general - no, there is no absolute right to free speech in the uk. there never has been. we should be glad of the constitutional guarantees that we have and she should either work to have the laws changed or abide by them.

Welcome to the board, Ogi.

Yes, I'm viewing with a jaundiced eye any attempt to quote-unquote 'regulate' the internet or discourse of any kind. Hands off.

Remember Ms. Pelosi stating that 'we have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it...'

Look very carefully at the cast of characters behind net neutrality, and decide if you want they to have any control of the net.

1. Thomas Friedman, on ‘Meet The Press,’ ‘The internet is an open sewer of untreated and unfiltered information.’

a. If the internet existed in 1933, the NYTimes and Walter Duranty would not have been able to bury the story of he millions of Ukrainian farmers who were starved to death by Joseph Stalin and the Communists.

b. If there had been an internet in 1957-1959, Herbert Matthews and the NYTimes would not have been able to claim that Fidel Castro was the new George Washington.


2. A powerful Democratic senator, pointing the finger at cable news for a politically toxic climate in Washington, unleashed a stunning tirade in which he expressed his desire to see the Federal Communications Commission shut down Fox News and MSNBC."I'm tired of the right and the left," West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller said Wednesday during a Senate hearing on retransmission consent. "There's a little bug inside of me which wants to get the FCC to say to Fox and to MSNBC, 'Out. Off. End. Goodbye.' "
"It would be a big favor to political discourse; to our ability to do our work here in Congress; and to the American people, to be able to talk with each other and have some faith in their government and, more importantly, in their future," said the chairman of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation.
Rockefeller didn't seem to realize that the FCC only regulates broadcast airwaves, not cable.
Senator Jay Rockefeller Wishes FCC Would Shut Down Fox News - FoxNews.com


Hands off any medium of discourse.

you really have no idea what net neutrality is, do you?

it would simply mean that internet providers couldn't choke access to certain websites or activities.

in other words it prevents someone like time warner deciding that they want their own youtube type of site and denying access or slowing access to youtube.com

there is no censorship or 'control'- if anything it prevents it.

and for what it's worth, i agree with sen. rockefeller - although it would be wrong to do it (and even impossible) we'd be better off as a nation without the likes of fox news and msnbc. but that doesn't mean i'm in any way for censorship.

Wow, have you got a lot to learn.

Glad you came to USMB for an education.

 

[PoliticalChic]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/israe...st-as-peres-tours-in-england.html#post3485403

Pretty much says it all PC.

Well, here's another one:

This morning Lord Malcolm Pearson, a member of the British House of Lords, announced that he has invited Geert Wilders, a member of the Dutch Parliament, to show the movie Fitna (see it here) in a committee room of the House of Lords next Thursday (12 February). Mr. Wilders has been asked to address a private meeting with members of the British Parliament, explaining to the Peers and MPs why he made Fitna and to engage in an open and frank discussion with them.

This afternoon Mr. Wilders received a letter from the British Embassy in The Hague [see below] saying that he is a “persona non grata” in the United Kingdom. The ambassador told Mr. Wilders that he is a threat to public security and public harmony because of the controversy created by Fitna.
Will Geert Wilders Be Arrested at Heathrow? | The Brussels Journal


Heaven forbid we ever get to that point in the United States.

Then, the next step will be Samizdat.

you believe that we should allow anyone into the united states regardless of what political or social messages they may preach?

Geert Wilders absolutely deserves the right to enter the United States, no matter what the censorship folks, like yourself believe.

I even believe that you have the right to preach you brand of anti-liberty thought control.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Free Speech" in England?

We have history repeating itself. Friedrich von Hayek warned of the danger of tyranny that inevitably results from government control of economic decision-making through central planning.

The abandonment of individualism, liberalism, and freedom inevitably leads to socialist or fascist oppression and tyranny and the serfdom of the individual.

Love this post.