Free Speech being attacked by Trump and it is losing the battle

[martybegan]

You are not my master and neither is Trump. You people can go back to Hell where you came from.

 

[Marener]

FCC would be well within its authority to pull ABC's license for what Kimmel said DURING THE BROADCAST, but it did not

It absolutely cannot. The fact you think so demonstrates your unwillingness to defend the first amendment.

 

[martybegan]

I dont care about cancel culture. I only care about free speech. I dont care if you get fired for saying something vile or something righteous. I only care if the government is responsible for it or not.

So far government isn't responsible for anything.

Meanwhile the left was doing it behind closed doors using government during Biden's admin.

MSN

 

[Moonglow]

Yer insane if you or anyone can try to be my master. Yet just another mindless tyrant.

 

[NetJedi]

It absolutely cannot. The fact you think so demonstrates your unwillingness to defend the first amendment.

Ah yes...Yet another rube that won't let the fact that it has no clue as to how FCC broadcast licenses work hinder it from making inane comments on the subject.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." -- Abraham Lincoln

 

[Luckyone]

ABC is an FCC licensee and thus are governed by the regulations relevant for holding that license. In the end it was Disney, ABC and affiliate networks that made the decision to suspend Kimmel not the FCC. So no, this is not a free speech issue, the FCC would be well within its authority to pull ABC's license for what Kimmel said DURING THE BROADCAST, but it did not. Unlike sites on the Internet, licensed networks cannot just say whatever they want without fear of the FCC shutting them down.

.. .and Free Speech is not a "right given to us by the Constitution", it's an inalienable right granted as a product of our humanity or as expressed by our founders "by our creator", the Constitution just protects that right from interference by government. Apparently, You and Senator Kaine both suffer from the same misunderstanding as to the source and nature of human rights.

One thing for sure, Trump agrees with you. Then again, he is strongly pressuring these companies (which depend on Trump a lot for staying in business), to fire "SPECIFICALLY" those people in the media they control so they do not criticize Trump publicly. That is basically "an attack on Free Speech".

You are right about these companies "having the right to do so" but why is it happening only to those that oppose Trump?

 

[Care4all]

By what? expelling illegal immigrants?

Expelling illegal's is fine...Obama deported more that Trump, without the masked, Jack boot, showboating of cruelty, and with due process when required. Obama did so legally and didn't have to via executive order ...declare fake National emergencies and fake being at war..., or breaking the Posse Comitatus act.

And no, not just the unconstitutional and inhumane manner of deportation. Bringing military in to regions and threats of doing so, without following the Constitution on needing the Sovereign Governor's permission....

And doing these tariffs, is UNCONSTITUTIONAL...no matter the so called made up national security threat...it is unconstitutional...the power belongs to Congress.

Want more examples? Just ask...

 

[Marener]

Ah yes...Yet another rube that won't let the fact that it has no clue as to how FCC broadcast licenses work hinder it from making inane comments on the subject.

The FCC cannot engage in viewpoint discrimination. That would be unconstitutional.

I doubt you know much about this. I think you’re just another authoritarian who will defend anything Trump wants.

 

[citygator]

So far government isn't responsible for anything.

Meanwhile the left was doing it behind closed doors using government during Biden's admin.

MSN

Same lies about the IRS targeting and that bullshit you linked too. Its all lies all the time. What's not a lie? Donald Trump's domestic policy architech saying out loud he wants to federally destroy progressive organizations.

Miller went further Monday, alleging without evidence that a “vast domestic terror movement” was behind Kirk’s murder.

“With God as my witness, we are going to use every resource we have at the Department of Justice, Homeland Security and throughout this government to identify, disrupt, dismantle and destroy these networks and make America safe again for the American people,” he said.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Well should Kimmel have been shot like Charlie Kirk was?

 

[martybegan]

Yer insane if you or anyone can try to be my master. Yet just another mindless tyrant.

 

[NetJedi]

One thing for sure, Trump agrees with you. Then again, he is strongly pressuring these companies (which depend on Trump a lot for staying in business), to fire "SPECIFICALLY" those people in the media they control so they do not criticize Trump publicly. That is basically "an attack on Free Speech".

You are right about these companies "having the right to do so" but why is it happening only to those that oppose Trump?

I don't know what Trump agrees with or not, nor do I care, I don't want people fired simply because of the opinions they hold (political or non-political) but what I do want is that ALL FCC licensees be held accountable to the provisions of the licenses that they signed up for.

Kimmel stepped over the line and Disney, ABC and the affiliate networks responded appropriately and thus won't face sanctions from the FCC over the matter, no violation of the first amendment has taken place, end of story.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Since when did any MAGA give a damn about the Constitution?

they say the same thing about your side.....

 

[martybegan]

Expelling illegal's is fine...Obama deported more that Trump, without the masked, Jack boot, showboating of cruelty, and with due process when required. Obama did so legally and didn't have to via executive order ...declare fake National emergencies and fake being at war..., or breaking the Posse Comitatus act.

And no, not just the unconstitutional and inhumane manner of deportation. Bringing military in to regions and threats of doing so, without following the Constitution on needing the Sovereign Governor's permission....

And doing these tariffs, is UNCONSTITUTIONAL...no matter the so called made up national security threat...it is unconstitutional...the power belongs to Congress.

Want more examples? Just ask...

Obama counted "turned away at the border" as deported, and more kept coming in as he was sending some out.

Trump has a trickle coming in, the net is negative.

The NG has been federalized for things like enforcing the Civil Rights Act, was that wrong?

Congress gave the President latitude to adjust tariffs in certain situations.

Stop playing the "its unconstitutional" game for things you simply don't like.

 

[Luckyone]

I don't know what Trump agrees with or not, nor do I care, I don't want people fired simply because of the opinions they hold (political or non-political) but what I do want is that ALL FCC licensees be held accountable to the provisions of the licenses that they signed up for.

Kimmel stepped over the line and Disney, ABC and the affiliate networks responded appropriately and thus won't face sanctions from the FCC over the matter, no violation of the first amendment has taken place, end of story.

Explain exactly how Disney "stepped over the line" (anxiously awaiting your detailed LEGAL information)!

 

[martybegan]

Same lies about the IRS targeting and that bullshit you linked too. Its all lies all the time. What's not a lie? Donald Trump's domestic policy architech saying out loud he wants to federally destroy progressive organizations.

Miller went further Monday, alleging without evidence that a “vast domestic terror movement” was behind Kirk’s murder.

“With God as my witness, we are going to use every resource we have at the Department of Justice, Homeland Security and throughout this government to identify, disrupt, dismantle and destroy these networks and make America safe again for the American people,” he said.

"It's always a lie when I don't like it"

Pathetic.

 

[Nostra]

ABC suspends Jimmy Kimmel’s late-night show indefinitely over his remarks about Charlie Kirk’s death​

This action was done by Brandon Carr (Secretary of the FCC - appointed by Donald Trump).

What makes this action even worse is that Carr has been a strong proponent of Free Speech in the past, and here he goes and attacks Free Speech.

Here are Carr's comments in the past about Free Speech

In 2019 he said: "Should the government censor speech it doesn't like? Of course not. The FCC does not have a roving mandate to police speech in the name of the 'public interest'".

In 2023 he said: "Free speech is the counterweight—it is the check on government control. That is why censorship is the authoritarian’s dream".

In 2024 he said: “A lot of social media companies have embraced, or re-embraced, the idea of free speech online, I think Elon Musk and X had a great deal to do with that. I was pleased to see Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook join him, but clearly there’s more we can do.”

Now and after this suspension of Kimmel was done, this was Carr's comment" "Local broadcasters have an obligation to serve the public interest. While this may be an unprecedented decision, it is important for broadcasters to push back on Disney programming that they determine falls short of community values. I hope that other broadcasters follow Nexstar's lead."

This OP is not about Kimmel himself. I never was a fan of Kimmel as I am against all extremes and Kimmel was all about Trump every show. Too much (in my opinion). Nonetheless, first was Steven Colbert and now Jimmy Kimmel and who is next?

Here is the comment from the ACLU after this event:

This OP is about Free Speech, which is a right given to us by the Constitution and one we have strongly defended throughout the lifetime of our country. Now, that Free Speech is being attacked and is losing the battle.

I think this is wrong.

How many pissy pants threads are you Murder Cult idiots gonna start to whine about ABC firing a money losing idiot?

 

[Marener]

Stop playing the "its unconstitutional" game for things you simply don't like.

Stop pretending like people believe something is unconstitutional simply because they don’t like it.

 

[marvin martian]

ABC suspends Jimmy Kimmel’s late-night show indefinitely over his remarks about Charlie Kirk’s death​

This action was done by Brandon Carr (Secretary of the FCC - appointed by Donald Trump).

What makes this action even worse is that Carr has been a strong proponent of Free Speech in the past, and here he goes and attacks Free Speech.

Here are Carr's comments in the past about Free Speech

In 2019 he said: "Should the government censor speech it doesn't like? Of course not. The FCC does not have a roving mandate to police speech in the name of the 'public interest'".

In 2023 he said: "Free speech is the counterweight—it is the check on government control. That is why censorship is the authoritarian’s dream".

In 2024 he said: “A lot of social media companies have embraced, or re-embraced, the idea of free speech online, I think Elon Musk and X had a great deal to do with that. I was pleased to see Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook join him, but clearly there’s more we can do.”

Now and after this suspension of Kimmel was done, this was Carr's comment" "Local broadcasters have an obligation to serve the public interest. While this may be an unprecedented decision, it is important for broadcasters to push back on Disney programming that they determine falls short of community values. I hope that other broadcasters follow Nexstar's lead."

This OP is not about Kimmel himself. I never was a fan of Kimmel as I am against all extremes and Kimmel was all about Trump every show. Too much (in my opinion). Nonetheless, first was Steven Colbert and now Jimmy Kimmel and who is next?

Here is the comment from the ACLU after this event:

This OP is about Free Speech, which is a right given to us by the Constitution and one we have strongly defended throughout the lifetime of our country. Now, that Free Speech is being attacked and is losing the battle.

I think this is wrong.

No one has "free speech" on TV.

Ask Roseanne Barr.

 

[citygator]

"It's always a lie when I don't like it"

Pathetic.

I just read the inspectors report.

As IRS Targeted Tea Party Groups, It Went After Progressives Too

After three years of congressional hearings and three inspector-general audits, the scandal still ricochets around Capitol Hill.

www.npr.org