Franklin Roosevelts views of Nazi Germany 1933 through 1938

[The Sage of Main Street]

FDR EXTENDED the Great Depression. WWII defense spending was what ended is

The Plutocracy Was Unaffected by the Depression, So It Must Slander FDR

SCROTUS's dictatorship canceling the original New Deal was what extended the Depression. FDR wouldn't have gotten reelected in 1936 if the Wall Street Scrooges' narrative had any truth to it.

The New Deal created a strong enough economy to finance England's war and outspend Germany and Japan when we were drawn into it by the illusion of Germany imminently adding Russia's wealth to its coffers. That's why Stalin made it look like Russia would surrender before 1942. He activated his real army the day Pearl Harbor
was attacked.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Where is your proof? FDR went whole hog removing from citizens earnings they worked diligently to have and shove money to those who were not willing by nature or education to get from those who had more in the bank.

When you and I were in the Army, it was not the poor paying us, it was not the middle class. It was those who had the nature and vision to accumulate more revenues. Democrats still love to crap all over those who are said to be more saving types.

New Deal Invaded by Poison Ivy

Then you disagree with Ronald Reagan, who tells us that the Democrats have completely changed from when he was a Democrat. In fact, they were taken over by spoiled snobs like Hillary Rodham. Following her elitist birth-class, she was originally a Republican. Her college, Wellesley, was in the female equivalent of the Ivy League.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Of course you are correct. FDR also ushered in the Dust Bowl. That alone could starve citizens. Land they farmed was rendered unusable.

Mother Nature Eats Her Children

Didn't you notice the strong and swirling winds created by the cronyvirus lockdown? The same lack of economic activity created the Dust Bowl. Common-sense fact: Auto emissions thicken the air and slow down the wind.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

We owe you the duty to pay your fair share. The rich already pay far more than their fair share.

Why Tax the Living When We Can Tax the Dead?

Confiscating trust funds and Preppies' inheritances will eliminate income taxes even for your Masters in the plutocracy.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Joe, you mean the Rich support the Army?

Treason Is Not a Father's Right

Draft their brats at age 18. Their evasion of duty in Vietnam was the same as murdering the Unfortunate Sons.

 

[JoeB131]

We agree @JoeB131. FDR failed is the truth as you agree. I object to your term Fascists. You are bringing up merely Italy. Democrats pretend that Nazis who were left wing were really Fascists. Adolf made a treaty with Communists. There is plenty of evidence Hitler was a left winger.

Sorry, man, Nazism is considered part of the Fascist movement.

You are so confused @JoeB131 you think the WW1 is the WW2.
I got this directly told to me by a Navy Commander (Ret) who was American ships under FDR who reported that FDR did attack Nazi submarines prior to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. FDR admired the way the Nazis caused Germany to recover from your topic of WW1.

You are babbling again, Mormon Bob2. The point is, it was an established fact that submarine warfare against civilian ships was considered a war crime. It's why Doenitz and Raeder got to spend some time in Spandau after the war, thinking about what they did wrong.

Communists are bizarre. Those using chopsticks among the most bizarre.

I guess, probably too complicated for you. (Political theory or using Chopsticks.)

You do realize most of Asia uses chopsticks, not just China

Again you smash LDS and my family has been among them from prior to Brigham Young going west to the territory of Utah as it was then known.

This monument includes my family name and it is historic.

Ah, that was after the fine people of my state shot Joseph Smith like a dog.

Good times.

Do you want to talk about the Mountain Meadows Massacre next? That's always a lot of fun.

 

[Robert W]

Do you want to talk about the Mountain Meadows Massacre next? That's always a lot of fun

Of course not. You just had fun talking about the illegal murder of Joseph Smith.

 

[Robert W]

Sorry, man, Nazism is considered part of the Fascist movement.

Prove it JoeB131

 

[Robert W]

The point is, it was an established fact that submarine warfare against civilian ships was considered a war crime. It's why Doenitz and Raeder got to spend some time in Spandau after the war, thinking about what they did wrong.

Yes, the victors get to claim only their rules prevail. Did the Germans believe that civilian ships per their laws was a war crime Chopstick Joe?

 

[JoeB131]

Of course not. You just had fun talking about the illegal murder of Joseph Smith.

Yes, shooting innocent women and children who were just passing through is just the same as shooting a cult leader who was deflowering teenage girls.

Yes, the victors get to claim only their rules prevail. Did the Germans believe that civilian ships per their laws was a war crime Chopstick Joe?

It doesn't matter. Germany signed a treaty (versailles) forgoing the use of submarine warfare against civilian ships.

Prove it

Nazism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsɪzəm, ˈnæt-/ ⓘNA(H)T-siz-əm), formally named National Socialism (NS; German: Nationalsozialismus, German: [natsi̯oˈnaːlzotsi̯aˌlɪsmʊs] ⓘ), is the far-right totalitarian socio-political ideology and practices associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party (NSDAP) in Germany.[1][2][3] During Hitler's rise to power in 1930s Europe, it was frequently referred to as Hitler Fascism (German: Hitlerfaschismus) and Hitlerism (German: Hitlerismus).

Nazism is a form of fascism,[4][5][6][7] with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system. Its beliefs include support for dictatorship,[3] fervent antisemitism, anti-communism, anti-Slavism,[8] anti-Romani sentiment, scientific racism, white supremacy, Nordicism, social Darwinism, homophobia, ableism, and the use of eugenics.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The Plutocracy Was Unaffected by the Depression, So It Must Slander FDR

SCROTUS's dictatorship canceling the original New Deal was what extended the Depression. FDR wouldn't have gotten reelected in 1936 if the Wall Street Scrooges' narrative had any truth to it.

The New Deal created a strong enough economy to finance England's war and outspend Germany and Japan when we were drawn into it by the illusion of Germany imminently adding Russia's wealth to its coffers. That's why Stalin made it look like Russia would surrender before 1942. He activated his real army the day Pearl Harbor
was attacked.

The new deal had nothing to do with it. It was defense orders from the UK, France and the Netherlands that stimulated the economy to start the process of ending the Great Depression, what actually ended it was the full employment in war industries of minorities and women giving them a lot of disposable income.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Why Tax the Living When We Can Tax the Dead?

Confiscating trust funds and Preppies' inheritances will eliminate income taxes even for your Masters in the plutocracy.

You could take every cent from everyone making more than a hundred grand a year and it would disappear into the black hole of federal debt and out of control spending. If you want to eliminate the income tax, shrink government by eliminating every department and job that doesn’t clearly conform to the limits set by the Tenth Amendment. That would shrink both federal and state governments by probably eighty percent, the Feds by direct action, the states by eliminating the people administering unfounded federal mandates and paperwork. Then fund the remaining by import tariffs, fees on direct users of federal services and excise taxes.

 

[JoeB131]

You could take every cent from everyone making more than a hundred grand a year and it would disappear into the black hole of federal debt and out of control spending.

That's bullshit.

US Taxpayers reported income of over 14.8 Trillion in 2022.

The Top 25% of income earners- those making over 100K a year - earned 89% of that.

You could easily balance the budget and start knocking down the debt by making the wealthy pay their fair share.

Then fund the remaining by import tariffs, fees on direct users of federal services and excise taxes.

That would wreck the economy pretty quickly.

Let's be blunt, if you really wanted to cut the debt, cut Middle-Class Entitlements. Social Security is nearly 2 trillion; Medicare is 1 trillion, and Veteran benefits are half a trillion.

It'll never happen because they'd lynch the Repukes if they ever tried it.

 

[JoeB131]

The new deal had nothing to do with it. It was defense orders from the UK, France and the Netherlands that stimulated the economy to start the process of ending the Great Depression, what actually ended it was the full employment in war industries of minorities and women giving them a lot of disposable income.

Okay, you realize when France and the Netherlands got overrun, they stopped buying defense stuff from us. (Not that they were buying a lot to start with.)

The Great depression ended in 1933. That's when the economy returned to positive growth.

 

[Robert W]

It doesn't matter. Germany signed a treaty (versailles) forgoing the use of submarine warfare against civilian ships.

Please stop pretending the US Submarines were not as guilty of sinking merchant ships.

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American submarines sank many merchant ships during World War II, including Japanese ships, British ships, and others.

Japanese ships

• Agano: Japanese cruiser sunk by an American submarine
• Akigumo: Japanese destroyer sunk by an American submarine
• Akikaze: Japanese destroyer sunk by an American submarine
• Akitsu Maru: Japanese aircraft carrier sunk by an American submarine
• Aotaka: Japanese minelayer sunk by an American submarine
• Arare: Japanese destroyer sunk by an American submarine
• Asahi: Japanese battleship sunk by an American submarine
• Asakaze: Japanese destroyer sunk by an American submarine
• Asanagi: Japanese destroyer sunk by an American submarine
• Atago: Japanese cruiser sunk by an American submarine

British ships

• HMS Pathfinder: Sunk by U-21 in 1914, becoming the first ship sunk by a submarine's torpedo
• HMS Aboukir, HMS Hogue, and HMS Cressy: Sunk by U-9 in 1914
• RMS Lusitania: Sunk by U-20 in 1915, killing 1,198 people

Other ships

• Toyama Maru: Sunk in 1944, with a death toll of 5,400
• Ryusei Maru: Sunk in 1944, with a death toll of 4,998
• Tamatsu Maru: Sunk in 1944, with a death toll of 4,406–4,755

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[mikegriffith1]

AZrailwhale said:
The new deal had nothing to do with it. It was defense orders from the UK, France and the Netherlands that stimulated the economy to start the process of ending the Great Depression, what actually ended it was the full employment in war industries of minorities and women giving them a lot of disposable income.

Okay, you realize when France and the Netherlands got overrun, they stopped buying defense stuff from us. (Not that they were buying a lot to start with.)

Oh, dear. Okay, you realize that France and the Netherlands didn't fall until mid-1940, right? So AZrailwhale's point is valid.

The Great depression ended in 1933. That's when the economy returned to positive growth.

LOL! Wow. Virtually any source you want to consult will tell you that the Great Depression ended in 1939, not 1933. Just one of literally thousands of sources that could be cited:

The Great Depression was the worst economic downturn in the history of the industrialized world, lasting from the stock market crash of 1929 to 1939. (Great Depression: Black Thursday, Facts & Effects)

And considerable economic troubles lasted until 1941, but 1939 is the date usually given for the end of the Great Depression. A sharp recession occurred in 1937. Let me repeat that: a sharp recession occurred in 1937. I'm just curious: where in the world do you get the idea that the Great Depression "ended in 1933"? Where?

No reputable historian or economist denies that the vast increase in war material production played an important role in ending the Great Depression, although there is disagreement about the degree to which military production aided the economy. The economy did not actually fully rebound until after the war. If you Google the subject, Google AI gives the following answer:

A common myth is that Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal ended the Great Depression. However, historians generally agree that the New Deal did not end the Great Depression. (LINK)

More sources for you:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-the-great-depression/2019/09/06/ce6fa63e-cf54-11e9-9031-519885a08a86_story.html

Separating Fact From Fiction: 5 Insights on the Great Depression | Darden Ideas to Action

The stock market crash, Gatsby’s parties, the New Deal, President Hoover and the actual timeline: So that we might learn from history, an expert in financial crises corrects some common misconceptions about the Great Depression.

ideas.darden.virginia.edu

5 Myths about the Great Depression and New Deal | The Daily Economy

Historians commonly contend that the New Deal was pivotal in beating the Great Depression and protecting the American middle class. But how significant was ...

thedailyeconomy.org

https://www.mackinac.org/archives/1998/sp1998-01.pdf

The Mythology of Roosevelt and the New Deal: Published Paper - Independent Institute

The Great Depression was a watershed in American history. Soon after Herbert Hoover assumed the presidency in 1929, the economy began to decline, and

www.independent.org

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-deal-recovery-part-15-keynesian-myth

It's Time to Explode the Myths About the New Deal

Following is an excerpt from Mr. Powell's controversial new book, FDR's Folly: How Roosevelt and His New Deal Prolonged the Great Depression (Crown Forum, 2003). The Great Depression has ha

www.hnn.us

Thomas Sowell: The myth of how the Great Depression was resolved

Sometimes you can read a book that will change your mind on some fundamental issue. Rarely, however, is there just one page that can undermine or destroy

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[Robert W]

Yes, shooting innocent women and children who were just passing through is just the same as shooting a cult leader who was deflowering teenage girls.



It doesn't matter. Germany signed a treaty (versailles) forgoing the use of submarine warfare against civilian ships.

Nazism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsɪzəm, ˈnæt-/ ⓘNA(H)T-siz-əm), formally named National Socialism (NS; German: Nationalsozialismus, German: [natsi̯oˈnaːlzotsi̯aˌlɪsmʊs] ⓘ), is the far-right totalitarian socio-political ideology and practices associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party (NSDAP) in Germany.[1][2][3] During Hitler's rise to power in 1930s Europe, it was frequently referred to as Hitler Fascism (German: Hitlerfaschismus) and Hitlerism (German: Hitlerismus).

Nazism is a form of fascism,[4][5][6][7] with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system. Its beliefs include support for dictatorship,[3] fervent antisemitism, anti-communism, anti-Slavism,[8] anti-Romani sentiment, scientific racism, white supremacy, Nordicism, social Darwinism, homophobia, ableism, and the use of eugenics.

So you put all your trust in Wikipedia buster!!! I have contributed to Wikipedia over things I was involved with. But being in Wikipedia does not mean all there is accurate.

Have you read Road to serfdom? By the esteemed economist
Book by Friedrich Hayek

He details as a resident under Hitler that indeed his government was socialist. Why does this upset you? Maybe you want to protect socialism.

 

[Robert W]

Oh, dear. Okay, you realize that France and the Netherlands didn't fall until mid-1940, right? So AZrailwhale's point is valid.



LOL! Wow. Virtually any source you want to consult will tell you that the Great Depression ended in 1939, not 1933. Just one of literally thousands of sources that could be cited:

The Great Depression was the worst economic downturn in the history of the industrialized world, lasting from the stock market crash of 1929 to 1939. (Great Depression: Black Thursday, Facts & Effects)

And considerable economic troubles lasted until 1941, but 1939 is the date usually given for the end of the Great Depression. A sharp recession occurred in 1937. Let me repeat that: a sharp recession occurred in 1937. I'm just curious: where in the world do you get the idea that the Great Depression "ended in 1933"? Where?

No reputable historian or economist denies that the vast increase in war material production played an important role in ending the Great Depression, although there is disagreement about the degree to which military production aided the economy. The economy did not actually fully rebound until after the war. If you Google the subject, Google AI gives the following answer:

A common myth is that Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal ended the Great Depression. However, historians generally agree that the New Deal did not end the Great Depression. (LINK)

More sources for you:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-the-great-depression/2019/09/06/ce6fa63e-cf54-11e9-9031-519885a08a86_story.html

Separating Fact From Fiction: 5 Insights on the Great Depression | Darden Ideas to Action

The stock market crash, Gatsby’s parties, the New Deal, President Hoover and the actual timeline: So that we might learn from history, an expert in financial crises corrects some common misconceptions about the Great Depression.

ideas.darden.virginia.edu

5 Myths about the Great Depression and New Deal | The Daily Economy

Historians commonly contend that the New Deal was pivotal in beating the Great Depression and protecting the American middle class. But how significant was ...

thedailyeconomy.org

https://www.mackinac.org/archives/1998/sp1998-01.pdf

The Mythology of Roosevelt and the New Deal: Published Paper - Independent Institute

The Great Depression was a watershed in American history. Soon after Herbert Hoover assumed the presidency in 1929, the economy began to decline, and

www.independent.org

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-deal-recovery-part-15-keynesian-myth

It's Time to Explode the Myths About the New Deal

Following is an excerpt from Mr. Powell's controversial new book, FDR's Folly: How Roosevelt and His New Deal Prolonged the Great Depression (Crown Forum, 2003). The Great Depression has ha

www.hnn.us

Thomas Sowell: The myth of how the Great Depression was resolved

Sometimes you can read a book that will change your mind on some fundamental issue. Rarely, however, is there just one page that can undermine or destroy

www.washingtonexaminer.com

We have learned reading massive lies that FDR ended the depression. But as you prove, war ended the depression. Note no Democrat credits FDR for the war.

Even during the war, FDR imposed strict conditions Americans had to follow. I have told of my parents having to get stamps just to feed the family. And if FDR did not want you to get tires for your car, well his rule prevailed.

 

[Robert W]

The Plutocracy Was Unaffected by the Depression, So It Must Slander FDR

SCROTUS's dictatorship canceling the original New Deal was what extended the Depression. FDR wouldn't have gotten reelected in 1936 if the Wall Street Scrooges' narrative had any truth to it.

The New Deal created a strong enough economy to finance England's war and outspend Germany and Japan when we were drawn into it by the illusion of Germany imminently adding Russia's wealth to its coffers. That's why Stalin made it look like Russia would surrender before 1942. He activated his real army the day Pearl Harbor
was attacked.

Your love of FDR frankly was not expected. Most will say it was the stock market that crashed. Trouble is most Americans did not buy stocks. So just those with stocks got hurt.

Here is the facts about the new deal.

 

[AZrailwhale]

That's bullshit.

US Taxpayers reported income of over 14.8 Trillion in 2022.

The Top 25% of income earners- those making over 100K a year - earned 89% of that.

You could easily balance the budget and start knocking down the debt by making the wealthy pay their fair share.



That would wreck the economy pretty quickly.

Let's be blunt, if you really wanted to cut the debt, cut Middle-Class Entitlements. Social Security is nearly 2 trillion; Medicare is 1 trillion, and Veteran benefits are half a trillion.

It'll never happen because they'd lynch the Repukes if they ever tried it.

You know damned well from previous experience, congress wouldn't apply most of the money to the debt, they would just go on a spending spree with most of it