Fox News: FBI Said There Were “Ties” Between 9/11 and ‘Dancing Israeli’ Mossad Operatives, Van Tested Positive for Explosives

[Toddsterpatriot]

In the Spring before 9/11 the foreign “artist” group Gelatin, managed to write the words “E-TEAM” on the lower 90th floors of the North Tower, in a night display, the exact floors AA Flight 11 made the first hit.

Did they leave a giant "plane magnet" behind?

Some have wondered if “E” stands for “explosives.”

I think it stands for "You're an E-jit".

 

[EMH]

As for whether or not Israel was involved, I don't know

There really is no other suspect.

 

[EMH]

Did they leave a giant "plane magnet" behind?

Some have wondered if “E” stands for “explosives.”

I think it stands for "You're an E-jit".

No, most likely a light dispersion instrument was used as a homing beacon... ditto for Pentagon.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No, most likely a light dispersion instrument was used as a homing beacon... ditto for Pentagon.

Right. Because you need help to find such a huge target.

 

[munkle]

Right. Because you need help to find such a huge target.

At five miles out it is not such a huge target. The impact zones were precise.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

At five miles out it is not such a huge target. The impact zones were precise.

Right, precisely into all 3 huge buildings.

 

[Contumacious]

This is quite damning. Motive means and opportunity, the three elements of a crime.

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Evidence Israel and U.S. Neocons Did 9/11 to Drag U.S. into War with Israel’s Enemies, FBI Says Links Between Israeli Spies and 9/11 Are "Classified"

For anyone not in the know about 9/11, Doug Feith is an American Israel First Neoconservative who was an Undersecretary of Defense under Bush Jr., meaning he was high up with access to command codes for the US air defenses on the day four hijacked airliners roamed the skies for hours without a single fighter interception. It is normal for an off-course or hijacked airliner to see an F-16 on its wing within ten minutes. The pilot can see a plane on his radar and close in on it at supersonic speed.

In 2007 the Pentagon Inspector General found that Feith, as a member of the Bush administration, had manipulated intelligence to falsely build the case for war with Iraq.

Also in high Defense Department positions were many other Israel First, Project for a New American Century Neocons like Donald Rumsfeld (Secretary of Defense) Richard Perle (Defense Policy Board) Paul Wolfowitz (Deputy Secretary of Defense) and Dick Cheney.

Project for a New American Century was a think tank of Bush Sr. and Reagan Era intellectuals who argued that since the fall of the Soviet Union, America was left with the mightiest military power the world had ever seen and should not be afraid to use it.

All of them are roaming free as birds right now and giving speeches and covered with honors.

Douglas Feith

THAT IS 100% CORRECT

BUT I EXPECT USMB "MODERATORS" TO MOVE IT TO THE "CONSPIRACY THEORIES" GRAVEYARD.

The findings were confirmed by FoxNews' - Carl Cameron on December 2001.

 

[munkle]

There really is no other suspect.

It would take people who are highly placed to stand-down and confuse the air defenses, which routinely intercept off-course airliners hundreds of times a year in minutes. The order to destroy all the steel evidence for an unprecedented event, when engineers were begging Giuliani to stop shipping it to China for melting. It could have been sent to any number of military bases in the desert with miles of land, for forensic examination.

9-11 Research: NORAD Stand-Down

NORAD Stand-Down​

The Prevention of Interceptions of the Commandeered Planes​

It is standard operating procedure (SOP) to scramble jet fighters whenever a jetliner goes off course or radio contact with it is lost. Between September 2000 and June 2001, interceptors were scrambled 67 times. 1 In the year 2000 jets were scrambled 129 times. 2
There are several elements involved in domestic air defense. The air traffic control system continuously monitors air traffic and notifies NORAD of any deviations of any aircraft from their flight-paths or loss of radio contact. NORAD monitors air and space traffic continuously and is prepared to react immediately to threats and emergencies. It has the authority to order units from the Air National Guard, the Air Force, or other armed services to scramble fighters in pursuit of jetliners in trouble.
Routine interception procedures were not followed on September 11th, 2001.

Layered Failures​

The air defense network had, on September 11th, predictable and effective procedures for dealing with just such an attack. Yet it failed to respond in a timely manner until after the attack was over, more than an hour and a half after it had started. The official timeline describes a series of events and mode of response in which the delays are spread out into a number of areas. There are failures upon failures, in what might be described as a strategy of layered failures, or failure in depth. The failures can be divided into four types.

• Failures to report: Based on the official timeline, the FAA response times for reporting the deviating aircraft were many times longer than the prescribed times.
• Failures to scramble: NORAD, once notified of the off-course aircraft, failed to scramble jets from the nearest bases.
• Failures to intercept: Once airborne, interceptors failed to reach their targets because they flew at small fractions of their top speeds and/or in the wrong directions.
• Failures to redeploy: Fighters that were airborne and within interception range of the deviating aircraft were not redeployed to pursue them.

Had not there been multiple failures of each type, one or more parts of the attack could have been thwarted. NORAD had time to protect the World Trade Center even given the unbelievably late time, 8:40, when it claims to have first been notified. It had time to protect the South Tower and Washington even given its bizarre choice of bases from which to scramble planes. And it still had ample opportunity to protect both New York City and Washington even if it insisted that all interceptors fly subsonic, simply by redeploying airborne fighters.

Failures to Report​

Comparing NORAD's timeline to reports from air traffic control reveals inexplicable delays in the times the FAA took to report deviating aircraft. The delays include an 18-minute delay in reporting Flight 11 and a 39-minute delay in reporting Flight 77. The delays are made all the more suspicious given that, in each case, the plane failed to respond to communications, was off-course, and had stopped emitting its IFF signal.

Failures to Scramble​

No plausible explanation has been provided for failing to scramble interceptors in a timely fashion from bases within easy range to protect the September 11th targets. Fighters that were dispatched were scrambled from distant bases. Early in the attack, when Flight 11 had turned directly south toward New York City, it was obvious that New York City and the World Trade Center, and Washington D.C. would be likely targets. Yet fighters were not scrambled from the bases near the targets. They were only scrambled from distant bases. Moreover there were no redundant or backup scrambles.

New York City​

Flight 11 had been flying south toward New York City from about 8:30 AM. Yet no interceptors were scrambled from nearby Atlantic City, or La Guardia, or from Langley, Virginia. Numerous other bases were not ordered to scramble fighters.

Washington D.C.​

No interceptors were scrambled from Andrews Air Force Base to protect the capital, at least not before the Pentagon was hit. Andrews Air Force Base had two squadrons of fighters on alert, and is only about 10 miles from the Pentagon.

Failures to Intercept​

Even though the interceptors were not dispatched from the most logical bases, the ones that were scrambled still had adequate time to reach their assigned planes. Why didn't they? Because they were only flying at a small fraction of their top speed. That is the conclusion implicit in NORAD's timeline.

Otis to the WTC​

The first base to finally scramble interceptors was Otis in Falmouth, Massachusetts, at 8:52, about a half-hour after Flight 11 was taken over. This was already eight minutes after Flight 11 hit the North Tower, and just 9 minutes before Flight 175 hit the South Tower.
According to NORAD, at the time of the South Tower Impact the two F-15s from Otis were still 71 miles away. Otis is 153 miles east-northeast of the WTC. That means the F-15s were flying at:

(153 miles - 71 miles)/(9:03 - 8:52) = 447 mph

That is around 23.8% of their top speed of 1875 mph.
At around 9:20 the F-15s finally reached the World Trade Center. Their average speed for the trip was:

153/(9:11 - 8:52) = 483 mph

That is around 25.8% of their top speed.

Langley to the Pentagon​

The F-16s from Langley reached the Pentagon at 9:49. It took them 19 minutes to reach Washington D.C. from Langley AFB, which is about 130 miles to the south. That means the F-16s were flying at:

130 miles/(9:49 - 9:30) = 410.5 mph

That is around 27.4% of their top speed of 1500 mph.

Andrews to the Pentagon​

Andrews Air Force Base, located on the outskirts of the capital, is just over 10 miles from the Pentagon. One would have expected interceptors to be scrambled to protect the capital within a few minutes of the 8:15 loss of contact with Flight 11. Instead, no fighters from Andrews reached the Pentagon until 9:49, several minutes after the assault.

Failures to Redeploy​

Fighters that were in the air when the attack started were not redeployed to intercept the deviating planes. When fighters scrambled to protect Manhattan arrived there too late, they were not redeployed to protect the capital even though they had plenty of time to reach it before the Pentagon was hit.

Long Island to Manhattan​

Two F-15s flying off the coast of Long Island were not redeployed to Manhattan until after the second tower was hit. 3

WTC to the Pentagon​

By the time the two F-15s from Otis reached Manhattan, the only jetliner still flying with its IFF transponder off had just made a 180-degree turn over southern Ohio and had been headed for Washington D.C. for 12 minutes. It was still 34 minutes before the Pentagon was hit. Had the fighters been sent to protect the capital, they could have traveled the approximately 300 miles in:

300 miles/1875 mph = 9.6 minutes

They even could have made it to the capital in time to protect the Pentagon if they had continued to fly at only 500 mph.

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References

1. Military Now Notified Immediately of Unusual Air Traffic Events, AP, 8/12/02 [cached]
2. Norad on Heightened Alert, 9/13/01 [cached]
3. 'I Thought It Was the Start of World War III', Cape Cod Times, 8/21/02 [cached]

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

No reliable evidence.

Just conspiracy nonsense.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It would take people who are highly placed to stand-down and confuse the air defenses, which routinely intercept off-course airliners hundreds of times a year in minutes.

List 10 off course airliners that were intercepted in minutes in the year before 9/11.

 

[PeterPilot]

It was definitely a false flag. As for whether or not Israel was involved, I don't know. I'll check out those videos though, when I have more time.

Yes, it was Israel. You probably don't know that the Comptroller at the Pentagon in the months leading up to the event was a Brooklyn born Jewish Rabbi named Dov Zakheim. On September 10, after being deposed in the House regarding missing funds, Rumsfeld referred to him as Dr. Zakheim.

If you are curious about the details of the innumerable Israeli connections, you should read Christopher Bollyn's work. He is married to an Israeli woman.

Christopher Bollyn

Christopher Bollyn is a well-travelled writer and an investigative journalist who has done extensive research into the events of September 11, 2001, the conflict in Middle-East and the health effects caused by exposure to depleted uranium.

www.bollyn.com

 

[PeterPilot]

List 10 off course airliners that were intercepted in minutes in the year before 9/11.

It was a private Learjet that was carrying Payne Stewart years before. That airplane was intercepted by NORAD just moments after going No Radio with FAA. The airplane departed Orlando bound for Dallas, and was first intercepted while it was still inside the state of Florida. You may recall 2 F-16s intercepted it while in Alabama after at least 1 A-10 out of Eglin intercepted it before them. It was followed all the way to South Dakota where it eventually ran out of gas.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It was a private Learjet that was carrying Payne Stewart years before. That airplane was intercepted by NORAD just moments after going No Radio with FAA. The airplane departed Orlando bound for Dallas, and was first intercepted while it was still inside the state of Florida. You may recall 2 F-16s intercepted it while in Alabama after at least 1 A-10 out of Eglin intercepted it before them. It was followed all the way to South Dakota where it eventually ran out of gas.

And it was intercepted, in minutes, by our air defenses, like the OP claimed, routinely?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Yes, it was Israel. You probably don't know that the Comptroller at the Pentagon in the months leading up to the event was a Brooklyn born Jewish Rabbi named Dov Zakheim. On September 10, after being deposed in the House regarding missing funds, Rumsfeld referred to him as Dr. Zakheim.

If you are curious about the details of the innumerable Israeli connections, you should read Christopher Bollyn's work. He is married to an Israeli woman.

Christopher Bollyn

Christopher Bollyn is a well-travelled writer and an investigative journalist who has done extensive research into the events of September 11, 2001, the conflict in Middle-East and the health effects caused by exposure to depleted uranium.

www.bollyn.com

You are using a source that confirms itself.

You are a conspiracist.

 

[PeterPilot]

You are using a source that confirms itself.

You are a conspiracist.

I go with the facts and evidence. I have a strong knowledge base in aviation, and I have become informed about structural engineering and facts related to the WTC towers.

The official story you have swallowed with no questions asked is contradicted by all facts and evidence, both the aviation side and the structural engineering side.

Buying into an impossible story is not a sign of common sense.

 

[PeterPilot]

And it was intercepted, in minutes, by our air defenses, like the OP claimed, routinely?

Yes. It is a single example of how efficient NORAD can be. There are likely other such examples that I am not aware of. The only reason I kept up with the Stewart incident is because I flew that airplane for a checkride, and I knew the helicopter pilot flying air ambulance who was first on scene in South Dakota.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes. It is a single example of how efficient NORAD can be. There are likely other such examples that I am not aware of. The only reason I kept up with the Stewart incident is because I flew that airplane for a checkride, and I knew the helicopter pilot flying air ambulance who was first on scene in South Dakota.

It was a guy on a training mission who just happened to be in the area.

 

[buttercup]

Yes, it was Israel. You probably don't know that the Comptroller at the Pentagon in the months leading up to the event was a Brooklyn born Jewish Rabbi named Dov Zakheim. On September 10, after being deposed in the House regarding missing funds, Rumsfeld referred to him as Dr. Zakheim.

If you are curious about the details of the innumerable Israeli connections, you should read Christopher Bollyn's work. He is married to an Israeli woman.

Christopher Bollyn

Christopher Bollyn is a well-travelled writer and an investigative journalist who has done extensive research into the events of September 11, 2001, the conflict in Middle-East and the health effects caused by exposure to depleted uranium.

www.bollyn.com

I just bookmarked his site, I'll check out his work. Thanks.

 

[PeterPilot]

It was a guy on a training mission who just happened to be in the area.

Yes, and he was out of gas and had to call it off shortly after acquiring visual. The point is that for that intercept he was working for NORAD. The system DID respond to fast planes not in communication, and it did it in just minutes, successfully.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, and he was out of gas and had to call it off shortly after acquiring visual. The point is that for that intercept he was working for NORAD. The system DID respond to fast planes not in communication, and it did it in just minutes, successfully.

Right, it wasn't a patrol just flying around to specifically intercept, in minutes, an off-course airplane.

Like the ditzy OP claimed occurs hundreds of times a year, in minutes.

How many fighters do you think we have orbiting the country, right now, looking for off-course jets?

Hundreds? Dozens? Maybe two? Near DC?