Former GOP. Rep who once voted against the Affordable Care act becomes paralyzed in accident and is asking for $2.5 million on GoFundMe

[Superbadbrutha]

It apparently doesn’t

Are you a Veteran?

 

[struth]

Are you a Veteran?

no. but this gentleman was, and Harris and Xiden's VA failed him. Now he has to ask for friends and family to help him out.

Tragic, are vets deserve better

 

[Marener]

But it makes it more expensive to the payer. Which means insurance rates go up. Which drives further cost increases, wash, rinse, repeat. It's an unsustainable cycle, which is why the insurance industry lobbied government for the bailout.

So when people have medical catastrophes because they didn’t get preventative care? Their catastrophic insurance kicks in, but only briefly because then they wind up on disability and state Medicaid. It just shifts the cost to the government.

People should be allowed to decide for themselves how to manage their healthcare.

Given we have safety net programs that have to deal with the irresponsible, it becomes more of a societal problem.

I think they complained about it because they oppose abortion.

They did both.

 

[struth]

So when people have medical catastrophes because they didn’t get preventative care? Their catastrophic insurance kicks in, but only briefly because then they wind up on disability and state Medicaid. It just shifts the cost to the government.

Given we have safety net programs that have to deal with the irresponsible, it becomes more of a societal problem.

They did both.

So you agree that safety net programs encourage people to be irresponsible. Maybe we should address that issue then....do away with the programs.

 

[dblack]

So when people have medical catastrophes because they didn’t get preventative care? Their catastrophic insurance kicks in, but only briefly because then they wind up on disability and state Medicaid. It just shifts the cost to the government.

Only if the government agrees to pay the cost. Regardless, people shouldn't be forced to buy insurance. Period.

Our problem isn't that too little money is being funneled to the insurance companies. It's that too much is. The less we "use" insurance, the better.

Given we have safety net programs that have to deal with the irresponsible, it becomes more of a societal problem.

That's the standard liberal statist position. They "offer" a safety net and then claim that they own your ass because of it. No thanks. If you don't like the government bailing out people who are irresponsible, then don't do that. But don't keep doing it and then use it as an excuse to lord it over them. That's just a twisted con.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

no. but this gentleman was, and Harris and Xiden's VA failed him. Now he has to ask for friends and family to help him out.

Tragic, are vets deserve better

So in other words you speak out ignorance as usual. I am a disabled veteran and the VA wasn't any better when your Orange God was in office.

 

[struth]

So in other words you speak out ignorance as usual. I am a disabled veteran and the VA wasn't any better when your Orange God was in office.

Why do you think someone has to be a disable vet to understand the VA? weird.

Did you have to rely on charity? did you have a gofundme page?

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Why do you think someone has to be a disable vet to understand the VA? weird.

Did you have to rely on charity? did you have a gofundme page?

How many times have you personally dealt with the VA?

 

[struth]

How many times have you personally dealt with the VA?

Once a month for the past 10 years or so

 

[Marener]

Only if the government agrees to pay the cost. Regardless, people shouldn't be forced to buy insurance. Period.

Our problem isn't that too little money is being funneled to the insurance companies. It's that too much is. The less we "use" insurance, the better.

That's the standard liberal statist position. They "offer" a safety net and then claim that they own your ass because of it. No thanks. If you don't like the government bailing out people who are irresponsible, then don't do that. But don't keep doing it and then use it as an excuse to lord it over them. That's just a twisted con.

Our problem is that people aren't getting adequate care and advice to maintain their health resulting in massive healthcare costs downstream to deal with the shit that we could have prevented. This country is exceedingly unhealthy and if you think less medical care is the answer, then we believe opposite things.

Our society is not and never will tolerate people dying in the streets because of poverty, so we have to make something work. Sorry if that upsets you, it's just the truth. It's not going to change no matter how much you want it to. There's plenty of shithole countries which do tolerate their indigent population dying in the street. Not this one.

 

[dblack]

This country is exceedingly unhealthy and if you think less medical care is the answer, then we believe opposite things.

Where did I say less medical care? I said we should use health insurance less. It drives up prices.

If you want to nationalize health care, make that argument. If you're just shilling for the insurance companies, I'm not interested.

 

[Marener]

Where did I say less medical care? I said we should use health insurance less. It drives up prices.

If you want to nationalize health care, make that argument. If you're just shilling for the insurance companies, I'm not interested.

If routine medical care is not covered by insurance, do you think people will get more or less medical care?

Insurance companies suck and there's lots of ways to improve them, but they can and do serve a purpose. It'd be hard to have a medical system without insurers.

 

[dblack]

If routine medical care is not covered by insurance, do you think people will get more or less medical care?

I don't know. But I think it should be up to them, not you.

 

[The Duke]

Former New York Rep. Michael Grimm is paralyzed after being thrown from horse during polo tournament, friends say

GoFundMe for paralyzed former Staten Island Rep. Michael Grimm reaches $120K+

Grimm was involved in a horse-riding accident in September.

www.silive.com

Let's all give him our thoughts and prayers USMB.

Congress gets better medical than Tricare for Life.

All congress retirees get it.

 

[Marener]

I don't know. But I think it should be up to them, not you.

It's always up to the individual as to whether they get more or less medical care.

As for the "I don't know', I think you do. Without coverage, people will get less medical care. It's obvious.

 

[debbiedowner]

He has insurance, he's a Veteran. The issue is that the Xiden/Harris VA has let him down and he has to ask for more help from charity.

With that said, charity isn't a bad thing, I get that most people that ID as leftist don't believe in it, and in fact don't donate, but there are great ones out there, for example, Shriner's Hospital, and St Jude Hospital come to mind

Not a veteran are you? You didn't supply any links. But not every veteran has or can receive VA health care. This goes back to long before Biden.
Maybe the following will help the stupid.

VA priority groups | Veterans Affairs

Find out what VA priority groups are, how they work, and how they may affect you.

www.va.gov

He may never have applied or category 8

and Biden expanded this

VA Announces Historic Expansion of Veteran Health Care

Veterans Affairs announced that all Veterans who were exposed to toxins and other hazards while serving in the military — at home or abroad — will be eligible to enroll directly in VA health care beginning March 5, 2024.

www.westpointaog.org

 

[dblack]

It's always up to the individual as to whether they get more or less medical care.

The question is whether they are forced to buy health insurance.

As for the "I don't know', I think you do. Without coverage, people will get less medical care. It's obvious.

I don't care what you think. The kind of meddling you're advocating for is what has driven health care prices irrationally high. If people were paying for most health care out of pocket, and only using insurance for catastrophic events, prices would come down to something reasonable. There's no innate reason health care should be too expensive for the average person to afford. But it is, and that's primarily because we're over insured.

 

[debbiedowner]

no. but this gentleman was, and Harris and Xiden's VA failed him. Now he has to ask for friends and family to help him out.

Tragic, are vets deserve better

So tell us how Biden failed him or the VA. You post your bullshit you know nothing about and no links to back up your bullshit.

 

[struth]

Not a veteran are you? You didn't supply any links. But not every veteran has or can receive VA health care. This goes back to long before Biden.
Maybe the following will help the stupid.

VA priority groups | Veterans Affairs

Find out what VA priority groups are, how they work, and how they may affect you.

www.va.gov

He may never have applied or category 8

and Biden expanded this

VA Announces Historic Expansion of Veteran Health Care

Veterans Affairs announced that all Veterans who were exposed to toxins and other hazards while serving in the military — at home or abroad — will be eligible to enroll directly in VA health care beginning March 5, 2024.

www.westpointaog.org

Links to what? What makes him ineligible for VA benefits? He’s a gulf war combat vet

 

[debbiedowner]

Why do you think someone has to be a disable vet to understand the VA? weird.

Did you have to rely on charity? did you have a gofundme page?

You certainly don't understand the VA.