Former Biden Aide Admits Staff Felt Justified Doing ‘Undemocratic Things’

[Ghost of a Rider]

Do you understand what an absurd, horrible "point" that you're making, simp?

You're the one who cited events happening on January 6 when they didn't. Dumbass.

So Trump was a traitor trying to get Pence to steal the 2020 election in December.....but not on Jan 6???

I don't give a shit. I asked you a question because your remarks bore an uncanny resemblance to confabulation and confusing events. Again, the events you mentioned before happened in December, not on J6.

Thank you for conceding defeat.

Thank you for not answering my question.

And you are wrong about Jan 6 also, by the way. Trump called Pence on the morning of Jan 6 and told Pence it would be a "career killer" if Pence certified the election for Biden. --

Trump warned Pence certifying election results would be a ‘career killer,’ witness testifies – Just Vote

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Irrelevant. The events you described before where Trump (allegedly) asked Pence to not certify the election happened in December. This citation indicates an admonishment to Pence.

If you are not willing to get people, dates, times, events and sequence of events correct for the purpose of discussion, it only shows that you're allowing your emotions (hate for Trump) to speak for you and thus, you cannot be trusted to be objective.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

You're the one who cited events happening on January 6 when they didn't. Dumbass.

Your "counter-argument" makes you look like a total MAGA imbecile bumpkin. A smart person picks and chooses their battles wisely....but that is definitely not you.

You decided to double down and then got your ass handed to you.

It's irrelevant if Trump tried to get Pence to steal the election in December 2020 or on Jan 6. Doing this on either date shows that Trump is a terrible person and a traitor to his country.

I don't give a shit. I asked you a question because your remarks bore an uncanny resemblance to confabulation and confusing events. Again, the events you mentioned before happened in December, not on J6.

I know you don't give a shit!! That's why you are immoral!! That's why you are not a decent person!! That's why you are MAGA!!

Thank you for not answering my question.

I did answer....too good. Better than a MAGA lightweight like you deserves. And, unfortunately for you, you are still struggling with the ass-kicking that you just received by me.

Irrelevant. The events you described before where Trump (allegedly) asked Pence to not certify the election happened in December. This citation indicates an admonishment to Pence.

If you are not willing to get people, dates, times, events and sequence of events correct for the purpose of discussion, it only shows that you're allowing your emotions (hate for Trump) to speak for you and thus, you cannot be trusted to be objective.

So I proved you wrong.....and now you are crying about it and making lame ass equivocations and excuses for being wrong.

******* pathetic. Typical MAGA.

 

[multivita-man]

Yes, it makes sense. If Bernie actually had balls, none of that would have happened to democrats. He allowed the DNC to remove him. He went quietly as was demanded of him.

Democrat are used to falling in line for their masters. It's been that way for hundreds of years.

I don't think Bernie would have won. He had a message that some people liked, but he was - and still is - perceived by much of the country as kind of a cranky old Brooklynite-turned-Vermonter who calls himself a socialist and tries to sell the idea that the Democratic party should embrace that label. I think Sanders would have been far more successful if he had branded himself as something other than a Democratic-Socialist. It's just awful branding, regardless of how his fanatical millennial fanbase loved it.

This is the stick tarpit that the Democrats are in right now. They definitely need a populist reboot, which is what the Bernistas brought to the table, but their branding is bad. They can't shake the image that they are coastal urbanites who can't relate to people in the interior, which is where they were once competitive but now no longer are.

 

[buckeye]

I don't think Bernie would have won. He had a message that some people liked, but he was - and still is - perceived by much of the country as kind of a cranky old Brooklynite-turned-Vermonter who calls himself a socialist and tries to sell the idea that the Democratic party should embrace that label. I think Sanders would have been far more successful if he had branded himself as something other than a Democratic-Socialist. It's just awful branding, regardless of how his fanatical millennial fanbase loved it.

This is the stick tarpit that the Democrats are in right now. They definitely need a populist reboot, which is what the Bernistas brought to the table, but their branding is bad. They can't shake the image that they are coastal urbanites who can't relate to people in the interior, which is where they were once competitive but now no longer are.

I don't disagree with this but you missed my point.

By refusing to allow the primaries to nominate a candidate, the DNC, in agreeing with you, pushed Hillary on democrats, which also lost the election for them. Dictating candidates doesn't work if you need to actually convince voters.

We either live in a democracy or we don't. The DNC is not about democracy, it's about power. With that continual motive in mind, they lost their ability to be spontaneous and truthful with the people they need to vote for them. Democrats don't need a new image, they need to be new. People see their constant drama, hyperbole and insincerity that nobody but the base believes. Their obsession with Trump and their lack of their own ideas and policy is their death knell, not their labels.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Your "counter-argument" makes you look like a total MAGA imbecile bumpkin. A smart person picks and chooses their battles wisely....but that is definitely not you.

I'm not the one who got the facts wrong.

You decided to double down and then got your ass handed to you.

I decided to double down on the FACTS. Thus, I informed you of your error. But I got my ass handed to me. Hm.

There is one important element missing in your narrative here: I never said Trump was not a traitor nor have I defended him or his actions. You're doing the exact same thing you did before: attacking me for things I never said.

It's irrelevant if Trump tried to get Pence to steal the election in December 2020 or on Jan 6. Doing this on either date shows that Trump is a terrible person and a traitor to his country.

That's just it; he didn't do it on either date.

I know you don't give a shit!! That's why you are immoral!! That's why you are not a decent person!! That's why you are MAGA!!

Easy there Lumpy. You're gonna have an embolism.

I said I don't give a shit because you are the one who cited J6, not me.

I did answer....too good. Better than a MAGA lightweight like you deserves. And, unfortunately for you, you are still struggling with the ass-kicking that you just received by me.

Can you even tell me what my argument is? I'll bet you can't.

So I proved you wrong.....and now you are crying about it and making lame ass equivocations and excuses for being wrong.

******* pathetic. Typical MAGA.

Proved me wrong about what?

 

[Modern Messiah]

If you think that was only based on simple opinion, then I don't know what else to say Kitty...other than do a little more reading and research, out side of your closed circuit media comfort zone.....

russia, russia, russia was a hoax.
The only person harmed on jan 6 was Ashli Babbit.
She was murdered by capital police lieutenant michael byrd.

 

[multivita-man]

By refusing to allow the primaries to nominate a candidate, the DNC, in agreeing with you, pushed Hillary on democrats, which also lost the election for them. Dictating candidates doesn't work if you need to actually convince voters.

Not sure where you're getting your info from, but Hillary won more votes and elections than Bernie did. The elections were free and fair, and Sanders lost the bigger primaries, as he did in 2020. I think it's certainly true that the establishment wanted Hillary to win and did more in terms of supporting her candidacy behind the scenes, but they would have had to respect the outcome of elections had Bernie won the primaries.

Strictly my opinion, but I think that Hillary's candidacy in 2016 was plagued by many of the same problems they had in 2008, but she was up against weaker opposition in the primaries of '16. Nobody expected Bernie to be as strong as he was, but it was also about her weakness as a candidate. She ran a pretty blah campaign and assumed that the chance to make history would capture women voters, especially white women voters, and she also thought she would have strong support among black and brown voters who may have remembered her husband's term in office favorably.

If there's a mistake the party made in 2016, it was making way for Clinton and discouraging others from running, especially Joe Biden, who probably would have run had Obama not thrown his support behind Clinton. The party would be in a much better position had Biden run in 2016. I think he would have pulled off a squeaker. The economy would have continued to improve, and he'd have faced off against Ron DeSantis or Nikki Haley or, who knows, maybe Kid Rock in 2020.