Forget Econ Stats, Do Americans Feel Economic Exhuberance or Malaise?

[TheGreatGatsby]

Hey, **** for brains, Business Insider doesn't do the Consumer Confidence Survey. Are you such a simpleton that if I cite the report by linking to Foxnews you'll then consider it legitimate?

Awww look, yet another liberal with the personal attacks. It's so fun. I enjoy the names. When one of you clowns comes up with one I haven't heard before, it'll really make my day.

Unfortunately you're all pathetically predicable.

Let's try another way, shall we?

You and I agreed on something in this thread. Something significant, in fact. Can you tell me what that was?

Wow. There is no thread that you won't troll, ************. The OP was non-partisan and sincere and look where you took it? GTFO

 

[JakeStarkey]

econchick keeps throwing mud hoping something will stick

but the fact is those years turned into disaster. why?

consumer confidence is at a high after 7 years. why?

talking debt is stupid. why?

econchick is a mises poser.

 

[Moonglow]

Jobless recovery? You need to go back and look at the unemployment numbers for each of his 8 years. I posted it early on....didn't you see it? He was doing GREAT until the crash in 2008. His policies had the job market going like gangbusters even WITH the attack of 9/11 on our economy till 2008.



And I'll say for the umpteenth time, both parties contributed to the crash. So did G80000.

I lived it, I don't need to, not only that the Hispanic invasion almost ran me out of business, you want to deny that also.. Yet Bush could not stop them from being hired by contractors I had worked with for years..Did you never get any checks from the govt. during Bush under the two stimulus plans?

Oh, and Obama's done a grand job of stopping illegals from pouring across the border? It wasn't as good under Bush as it was under Reagan, but it was better than under Obama.

And I've yet, YET to see a liberal acknowledge what havoc 9/11 wreaked on the economy.

It didn't ruin my economy near as bad as the illegals....Reagan legalized the illegals which I didn't want either. He also raised taxes on lower incomes and cut them on higher incomes...No president has stopped the illegals because that is what the companies and rich want, cheap labor..

 

[LoneLaugher]

I feel like the stock market somehow nearly doubled at a time when so much is going so wrong. It doesn't make much sense. I fear that bubble shall burst.

What happened to the "fat cats" comment? I was ready to discuss that.

Bummer.

 

[EconChick]

Yes darling, it was obvious you need the government teet or some other teet to suck on. I kept trying to tell you in the REPs I wasn't interested.

I know the rejection must hurt but you'll survive.

The only thing laugher swings is his right hand...very "jerky" motion if ya get my drift...lmao!

LOL, Deltex. I know two year olds that have more brains than that ditz.

I start a thread to talk about an important subject, but she/he/it has to make it all about her/him/it. I don't think the dumbass even knows what an economy is. LOL.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Once again you show not only what a complete ******* airhead you are, you show just how poor your reading comprehension is. Go back and look moron.

In the meantime, I'm still looking for ONE thing of substance you have said on this thread.

It won't happen. He gets a thrill up his leg when it comes to avoiding substance and throwing out personal attacks. Even in the rare instances that the discussion heads towards substance, he'll throw out his cheap shots at the first sign of duress. He will regress any and all convos. Seriously, don't hold your breath.

 

[LoneLaugher]

What was obvious? Are we now going to compare portfolios? What did you say in "the REPs"? Was it interesting?

How's the thread going? When are you going to address the consumer confidence index? How is the jump possible? Whom is cooking those numbers? What Obama policies have led to that jump?

Come on.....you are an expert. Show us something.

Once again you show not only what a complete ******* airhead you are, you show just how poor your reading comprehension is. Go back and look moron.

In the meantime, I'm still looking for ONE thing of substance you have said on this thread.

You haven't addressed the index. You have poo-poo'd it. But you haven't discussed it in even the slightest detail. Want to try?

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

I feel like the stock market somehow nearly doubled at a time when so much is going so wrong. It doesn't make much sense. I fear that bubble shall burst.

What happened to the "fat cats" comment? I was ready to discuss that.

Bummer.

Shut it, wanker.

 

[EconChick]

I lived it, I don't need to, not only that the Hispanic invasion almost ran me out of business, you want to deny that also.. Yet Bush could not stop them from being hired by contractors I had worked with for years..Did you never get any checks from the govt. during Bush under the two stimulus plans?

Oh, and Obama's done a grand job of stopping illegals from pouring across the border? It wasn't as good under Bush as it was under Reagan, but it was better than under Obama.

And I've yet, YET to see a liberal acknowledge what havoc 9/11 wreaked on the economy.

It didn't ruin my economy near as bad as the illegals....Reagan legalized the illegals which I didn't want either. He also raised taxes on lower incomes and cut them on higher incomes...No president has stopped the illegals because that is what the companies and rich want, cheap labor..

I'm sorry to hear that Moon, it pisses me off...don't even get me started on the "illegals" subject. As for what Reagan did, you're only telling part of the story.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Awww look, yet another liberal with the personal attacks. It's so fun. I enjoy the names. When one of you clowns comes up with one I haven't heard before, it'll really make my day.

Unfortunately you're all pathetically predicable.

Let's try another way, shall we?

You and I agreed on something in this thread. Something significant, in fact. Can you tell me what that was?

Wow. There is no thread that you won't troll, ************. The OP was non-partisan and sincere and look where you took it? GTFO

The OP was not "non-partisan". You should look to see who took this where it is, asshole.

 

[EconChick]

I feel like the stock market somehow nearly doubled at a time when so much is going so wrong. It doesn't make much sense. I fear that bubble shall burst.

What happened to the "fat cats" comment? I was ready to discuss that.

Bummer.

Shut it, wanker.

She doesn't have the brains to discuss anything anyway. She's nothing but a bomb thrower, and she can't even do that right.

 

[EconChick]

I feel like the stock market somehow nearly doubled at a time when so much is going so wrong. It doesn't make much sense. I fear that bubble shall burst.

Agree with ya. Just like what goes up must come down, all bubbles must eventually burst.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Let's try another way, shall we?

You and I agreed on something in this thread. Something significant, in fact. Can you tell me what that was?

Wow. There is no thread that you won't troll, ************. The OP was non-partisan and sincere and look where you took it? GTFO

The OP was not "non-partisan". You should look to see who took this where it is, asshole.

Yea, let me go digging through 18 ******* pages to satiate some fuckface, who has only trolled the **** out of every thread he's ever been in...

 

[LoneLaugher]

I feel like the stock market somehow nearly doubled at a time when so much is going so wrong. It doesn't make much sense. I fear that bubble shall burst.

What happened to the "fat cats" comment? I was ready to discuss that.

Bummer.

Shut it, wanker.

But....you were lamenting how the "fat cats" were taking all the $$$$. I wanted to hear your populist message. What made you delete that? Was it too "socialist" or something?

 

[EconChick]

Once again you show not only what a complete ******* airhead you are, you show just how poor your reading comprehension is. Go back and look moron.

In the meantime, I'm still looking for ONE thing of substance you have said on this thread.

It won't happen. He gets a thrill up his leg when it comes to avoiding substance and throwing out personal attacks. Even in the rare instances that the discussion heads towards substance, he'll throw out his cheap shots at the first sign of duress. He will regress any and all convos. Seriously, don't hold your breath.

Roger. I've been on a lot of boards and I've never seen this level of worthless idiot.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Bottom Line: No one feels this economy is going gang busters. Intuitively, Americans know something's wrong.

We econ geeks can spend hundreds of hours on this board throwing around economic statistics, but my guess is the average American/average reader doesn't read threads in the Economy section. It's too wonky.

Oldfart commented that my posts don't sound the way most macroeconomists talk. I can't stand how most macroeconomists talk. Most don't speak in a way that normal Americans can understand. They speak to out-geek the next geek. Just like every econ professor I ever had.

I'd like this to be a thread meant for "normal" Americans - those living out on main street, not Wall Street - who just want to know why they're not feeling optimistic about their economic situations and what can be done about it.

This thread is meant to involve people who want more "intuitive" answers about the economy.

Let's see if we can manage to do that.

Weird after 8 years of Dubya/GOP 'job creator' policies why wasn't the US economy booming?

Bush's economy over his full 8-yr tenure was great compared to that of Obama's 5.5 years. And that's even WITH the fact that Bush had the jolt of 9/11 attacks on the economy to deal with.

After the jolt of the September 11, 2001 attacks, the highest the unemployment rate rose was 6.3% in June, 2003.

This rate seems remarkably low by today’s economic standards.

Then the economy calmed down and actually grew, dropping the unemployment rate to the mid 5% range, where it stayed for the next two years.

In fact, the rate was 5.4% in November, 2004 when Bush was reelected.

Really good news came in December, 2005 when the unemployment rate dipped to 4.9% and stayed in the 4% range straight through to November, 2007.

Then in December, 2007 it went to 5.0%, rose slowly and really shot up in August, 2008 to 6.1%. When the economy tanked, the rate blew right through the 6% range ending December, 2008 at 7.3%.

At that point, we were dealing with the financial bubble brought on by very long term conditions contributed to by both Democrats and Republicans. Both parties get blame for that crisis.

But for most of his tenure, Bush provided quality FULL TIME jobs in far greater numbers than has Obama.

Bush 'provided' the jobs, eh? Very funny.

 

[Mr Natural]

My feelings are that the best has already been.

Sorry kids, but you are screwed.

 

[EconChick]

Wow. There is no thread that you won't troll, ************. The OP was non-partisan and sincere and look where you took it? GTFO

The OP was not "non-partisan". You should look to see who took this where it is, asshole.

Yea, let me go digging through 18 ******* pages to satiate some fuckface, who has only trolled the **** out of every thread he's ever been in...

LOL. I've only started posting recently but thanks for confirming exactly MY impression of the Looney Loner Loser.

 

[LoneLaugher]

What happened to the "fat cats" comment? I was ready to discuss that.

Bummer.

Shut it, wanker.

She doesn't have the brains to discuss anything anyway. She's nothing but a bomb thrower, and she can't even do that right.

You know what might be the best part about this thread? You thought I was a woman so you threw in those dopey shots about shopping at Macy's and shoe sales. You are a self-loathing female, aren't you?

I have asked you what it is that we agreed on in this thread. Haven't you been paying attention?

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

What happened to the "fat cats" comment? I was ready to discuss that.

Bummer.

Shut it, wanker.

But....you were lamenting how the "fat cats" were taking all the $$$$. I wanted to hear your populist message. What made you delete that? Was it too "socialist" or something?

Aren't you cute.