Forced to deny my Christian faith to enter a Christian website? What?

[Michelle420]

She said a permanent ban. She lied.

Yes, yes, yes! That's what I call doubletongueing.

However, because I used terms incorrectly I got banned from that site

Actually it is just plain lying. She is not permanently banned.

She is partially banned, don't let your ego guide you come from your heart. You are having some control issues, let go and let God take care of things.

 

[Parture]

If you were loving you would share the truth of the gospel to people which not only redeems them but saves them from Hell.

How do I know teddyearp is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell. Christians are already saved. Why do we need to get saved by universalists?

I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?

You should pray to stop Judging people, you are worshipping the idol of your own human ego.

You're just sinning bearing false witness. You and Emily are going to Hell since you don't know salvation is not by works, lest anyone should boast. You are a hypocrite because you say not to judge and you judge. Why is it ok for you to treat others as you would not like to be treated? Doublestandards are unethical.

How do I know teddyearp is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell. Christians are already saved. Why do we need to get saved by universalists?

I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?

If you have an issue with Teddy or Emily, you should be praying about it until the issue leaves you.

God didn't put people in your life for no reason at all, perhaps you are needing to learn something.

I do pray for them and you that one day you give your life to Christ. God put me here to help you.

Don't hurt yourself.

It doesn't hurt.

 

[Carla_Danger]

emily- I'm serious. I got him/her on ignore for a reason; posting false doctrine.

Maybe you should read this book by Pulitzer Prize author Chris Hedges, son of a Preacher and a man who holds a Master of Divinity from Harvard Divinity School.

THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT AND THE RISE OF AMERICAN FASCISM

Thanks but I think that website may be something else.

I found this on there about Heaven that mixes Hades that Jehovah's Witness reject as unbiblical
with Sheol that Jehovah's Witnesses teach instead. So I've never seen an explanation mix this together:

Three Heavens


Before time God decided His creation will have Three Heavens (2 Cor. 12.2)--a Paradise above (3rd Heaven), realm of fallen spirits if they fell (2nd Heaven), and our universe (1st Heaven). God also created timeless unawares called Hades or Sheol. Hades is not considered Heaven or Hell. The good side of Hades is called Paradise below or Abraham's bosom. Christians will be resurrected together (1 Thess. 4.15-17) from the good side of Hades to come before the Judgment-Seat to receive reward or loss of reward. The bad side of Hades is where the Rich Man went and the unsaved go when they die. They too will be resurrected but separated by 1000 years to the Great White Throne to be judged and cast into Hell.

-----------------

Where I think we got off on the wrong track,
the Bible scriptures cited mention the Devil the Beast and the False Prophet
thrown into the lake of fire. But those are not human souls. So we aren't even talking about the same thing
I don't think.

I don't think I can manage on that site without having each message
reviewed in advance by an admin and corrected by email before I post anything.

I would have to check with them each time and clarify we mean the same
thing before asking permission to post it so I don't cause an offense.

Otherwise the same thing will happen over and over by misinterpretations.

I also got an infraction message, for replying too generally and not responding directly.
So I probably cannot reply at all because that is how I normally talk and will keep getting infractions.

You should take the advice of Bfgrn and read that book.

Well the rightwing far right people I've talked with were never this duplicitous.

this guy really takes the cake.

I can deal with Klan, Jehovah's Witness, IDMR, prolife, one guy who wouldn't consider talking with me
until I did X Y Z, and he even admitted he knew my salvation was intact despite our disagreements.

I think this guy borders on the demons that attack priests
and get into their psyche and start messing with their minds.

they are more dangerous because they are divinely inspired
to push buttons on an unconscious level.

With the political types all their manipulations are out in the open.
They are at least PUBLIC with their hypocrisy so you can call them on it.

This guy is a unique challenge.
He actually has great gifts, like a spiritual genius,
but is completely wasting them by setting up tests and traps
to screen anyone out who can't rise above the faults.

Very interesting.

If he wants to expand his website and network globally
he is going to have to learn to work with people.

I could help him translate and interpret to connect with different groups
but I scared him to death with the idea of Universal inclusion he
may continue to reject me and try to make it my fault.

I don't think he's really ready or he would not sabotage
his own efforts and cut out people like me who would
be able to interpret, discern and help him.

Only demonic minded people try to attack and break
down people's faith for helping them on this level.

He is like a fallen angel, a misguided spirit
who does not know how to use his gifts
and doesn't know who to trust to help him with that.

I expect to fail his tests, so I gave up trying to pass.
I can try to reach out and offer help but not on his rules I can't
figure out and guess, I figured I would keep making mistakes
and so he would keep rejecting me so that game is a no win.

Next to him, Carla_Danger
all the rightwing extreme, prolife, anti-left,
raving oppressive closeminded ranters and railers
I have met seem like grown up children with louder megaphones.

This guy is too intelligent to play the simple games
and has created an elaborate maze to screen people out.

Sad for him, because with his visionary gifts he should
be drawing people in to share, not shutting people out.

This is unlike anything i have ever seen.

wish I could help but I don't think I am welcome there.

What do you mean, you can deal with the Klan? The KKK? That Klan?

Parture is very clear on his position. His God is an asshole. Does his posting (below) sound like a loving God to you?

From his posting...

"Emily will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever" (Rev. 12.10).

Emily will go away to everlasting punishment."

God is loving. He is not going to let someone who rejects Him forever be with the saved in Heaven. That would be like letting a rapist out of jail to attack his victim again. You're not very loving to promote that.

Odd that you compare others with different beliefs to rapists. You need help.

 

[Gracie]

Also, Emily, don't feel lonely. I don't fit in any box either. Parts of me keeps flopping out.

Be yourself. Follow your own path. No labels, no strict rule to follow. Just trudge along and do your thang. You and I might not be alone after all. Just some differences here and there. And if that is the case, then who else could blend in with us both? Get my drift? Lots of folks out there....one website that is wacko doesn't represent them all.

 

[Parture]

emily- I'm serious. I got him/her on ignore for a reason; posting false doctrine.

Thanks but I think that website may be something else.

I found this on there about Heaven that mixes Hades that Jehovah's Witness reject as unbiblical
with Sheol that Jehovah's Witnesses teach instead. So I've never seen an explanation mix this together:

Three Heavens


Before time God decided His creation will have Three Heavens (2 Cor. 12.2)--a Paradise above (3rd Heaven), realm of fallen spirits if they fell (2nd Heaven), and our universe (1st Heaven). God also created timeless unawares called Hades or Sheol. Hades is not considered Heaven or Hell. The good side of Hades is called Paradise below or Abraham's bosom. Christians will be resurrected together (1 Thess. 4.15-17) from the good side of Hades to come before the Judgment-Seat to receive reward or loss of reward. The bad side of Hades is where the Rich Man went and the unsaved go when they die. They too will be resurrected but separated by 1000 years to the Great White Throne to be judged and cast into Hell.

-----------------

Where I think we got off on the wrong track,
the Bible scriptures cited mention the Devil the Beast and the False Prophet
thrown into the lake of fire. But those are not human souls. So we aren't even talking about the same thing
I don't think.

I don't think I can manage on that site without having each message
reviewed in advance by an admin and corrected by email before I post anything.

I would have to check with them each time and clarify we mean the same
thing before asking permission to post it so I don't cause an offense.

Otherwise the same thing will happen over and over by misinterpretations.

I also got an infraction message, for replying too generally and not responding directly.
So I probably cannot reply at all because that is how I normally talk and will keep getting infractions.

You should take the advice of Bfgrn and read that book.

Well the rightwing far right people I've talked with were never this duplicitous.

this guy really takes the cake.

I can deal with Klan, Jehovah's Witness, IDMR, prolife, one guy who wouldn't consider talking with me
until I did X Y Z, and he even admitted he knew my salvation was intact despite our disagreements.

I think this guy borders on the demons that attack priests
and get into their psyche and start messing with their minds.

they are more dangerous because they are divinely inspired
to push buttons on an unconscious level.

With the political types all their manipulations are out in the open.
They are at least PUBLIC with their hypocrisy so you can call them on it.

This guy is a unique challenge.
He actually has great gifts, like a spiritual genius,
but is completely wasting them by setting up tests and traps
to screen anyone out who can't rise above the faults.

Very interesting.

If he wants to expand his website and network globally
he is going to have to learn to work with people.

I could help him translate and interpret to connect with different groups
but I scared him to death with the idea of Universal inclusion he
may continue to reject me and try to make it my fault.

I don't think he's really ready or he would not sabotage
his own efforts and cut out people like me who would
be able to interpret, discern and help him.

Only demonic minded people try to attack and break
down people's faith for helping them on this level.

He is like a fallen angel, a misguided spirit
who does not know how to use his gifts
and doesn't know who to trust to help him with that.

I expect to fail his tests, so I gave up trying to pass.
I can try to reach out and offer help but not on his rules I can't
figure out and guess, I figured I would keep making mistakes
and so he would keep rejecting me so that game is a no win.

Next to him, Carla_Danger
all the rightwing extreme, prolife, anti-left,
raving oppressive closeminded ranters and railers
I have met seem like grown up children with louder megaphones.

This guy is too intelligent to play the simple games
and has created an elaborate maze to screen people out.

Sad for him, because with his visionary gifts he should
be drawing people in to share, not shutting people out.

This is unlike anything i have ever seen.

wish I could help but I don't think I am welcome there.

What do you mean, you can deal with the Klan? The KKK? That Klan?

Parture is very clear on his position. His God is an asshole. Does his posting (below) sound like a loving God to you?

From his posting...

"Emily will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever" (Rev. 12.10).

Emily will go away to everlasting punishment."

God is loving. He is not going to let someone who rejects Him forever be with the saved in Heaven. That would be like letting a rapist out of jail to attack his victim again. You're not very loving to promote that.

Odd that you compare others with different beliefs to rapists. You need help.

Quite apropos.

 

[Parture]

Also, Emily, don't feel lonely. I don't fit in any box either. Parts of me keeps flopping out.

Be yourself. Follow your own path. No labels, no strict rule to follow. Just trudge along and do your thang. You and I might not be alone after all. Just some differences here and there. And if that is the case, then who else could blend in with us both? Get my drift? Lots of folks out there....one website that is wacko doesn't represent them all.

You admit you are not a Christian also?

 

[teddyearp]

No Christian would be that condescending to a Christian.

Please tell us what kind of Christian you are. Do you accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior?

 

[Michelle420]

emily- I'm serious. I got him/her on ignore for a reason; posting false doctrine.

Maybe you should read this book by Pulitzer Prize author Chris Hedges, son of a Preacher and a man who holds a Master of Divinity from Harvard Divinity School.

THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT AND THE RISE OF AMERICAN FASCISM

Thanks but I think that website may be something else.

I found this on there about Heaven that mixes Hades that Jehovah's Witness reject as unbiblical
with Sheol that Jehovah's Witnesses teach instead. So I've never seen an explanation mix this together:

Three Heavens


Before time God decided His creation will have Three Heavens (2 Cor. 12.2)--a Paradise above (3rd Heaven), realm of fallen spirits if they fell (2nd Heaven), and our universe (1st Heaven). God also created timeless unawares called Hades or Sheol. Hades is not considered Heaven or Hell. The good side of Hades is called Paradise below or Abraham's bosom. Christians will be resurrected together (1 Thess. 4.15-17) from the good side of Hades to come before the Judgment-Seat to receive reward or loss of reward. The bad side of Hades is where the Rich Man went and the unsaved go when they die. They too will be resurrected but separated by 1000 years to the Great White Throne to be judged and cast into Hell.

-----------------

Where I think we got off on the wrong track,
the Bible scriptures cited mention the Devil the Beast and the False Prophet
thrown into the lake of fire. But those are not human souls. So we aren't even talking about the same thing
I don't think.

I don't think I can manage on that site without having each message
reviewed in advance by an admin and corrected by email before I post anything.

I would have to check with them each time and clarify we mean the same
thing before asking permission to post it so I don't cause an offense.

Otherwise the same thing will happen over and over by misinterpretations.

I also got an infraction message, for replying too generally and not responding directly.
So I probably cannot reply at all because that is how I normally talk and will keep getting infractions.

You should take the advice of Bfgrn and read that book.

Well the rightwing far right people I've talked with were never this duplicitous.

this guy really takes the cake.

I can deal with Klan, Jehovah's Witness, IDMR, prolife, one guy who wouldn't consider talking with me
until I did X Y Z, and he even admitted he knew my salvation was intact despite our disagreements.

I think this guy borders on the demons that attack priests
and get into their psyche and start messing with their minds.

they are more dangerous because they are divinely inspired
to push buttons on an unconscious level.

With the political types all their manipulations are out in the open.
They are at least PUBLIC with their hypocrisy so you can call them on it.

This guy is a unique challenge.
He actually has great gifts, like a spiritual genius,
but is completely wasting them by setting up tests and traps
to screen anyone out who can't rise above the faults.

Very interesting.

If he wants to expand his website and network globally
he is going to have to learn to work with people.

I could help him translate and interpret to connect with different groups
but I scared him to death with the idea of Universal inclusion he
may continue to reject me and try to make it my fault.

I don't think he's really ready or he would not sabotage
his own efforts and cut out people like me who would
be able to interpret, discern and help him.

Only demonic minded people try to attack and break
down people's faith for helping them on this level.

He is like a fallen angel, a misguided spirit
who does not know how to use his gifts
and doesn't know who to trust to help him with that.

I expect to fail his tests, so I gave up trying to pass.
I can try to reach out and offer help but not on his rules I can't
figure out and guess, I figured I would keep making mistakes
and so he would keep rejecting me so that game is a no win.

Next to him, Carla_Danger
all the rightwing extreme, prolife, anti-left,
raving oppressive closeminded ranters and railers
I have met seem like grown up children with louder megaphones.

This guy is too intelligent to play the simple games
and has created an elaborate maze to screen people out.

Sad for him, because with his visionary gifts he should
be drawing people in to share, not shutting people out.

This is unlike anything i have ever seen.

wish I could help but I don't think I am welcome there.

What do you mean, you can deal with the Klan? The KKK? That Klan?

Parture is very clear on his position. His God is an asshole. Does his posting (below) sound like a loving God to you?

From his posting...

"Emily will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever" (Rev. 12.10).

Emily will go away to everlasting punishment."

God is loving. He is not going to let someone who rejects Him forever be with the saved in Heaven. That would be like letting a rapist out of jail to attack his victim again. You're not very loving to promote that.

God is loving and forgiving, people who follow Jesus teachings love their neighbor and they don't worry about someone else's demonstration because that can cause self righteousness which is a damnable sin.

You can love both Teddy and Emily, and you can pray for God to lift whatever anger or loss of control you feel around them to be gone.

But you don't get to decide who is worthy in God's eyes and who isn't because you are not God.

 

[Michelle420]

You should pray to stop Judging people, you are worshipping the idol of your own human ego.

You're just sinning bearing false witness. You and Emily are going to Hell since you don't know salvation is not by works, lest anyone should boast. You are a hypocrite because you say not to judge and you judge. Why is it ok for you to treat others as you would not like to be treated? Doublestandards are unethical.

How do I know teddyearp is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell. Christians are already saved. Why do we need to get saved by universalists?

I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?

If you have an issue with Teddy or Emily, you should be praying about it until the issue leaves you.

God didn't put people in your life for no reason at all, perhaps you are needing to learn something.

I do pray for them and you that one day you give your life to Christ. God put me here to help you.

You don't know anything about me, but i always appreciate prayers, so thank you for that I hope you really are praying

I know that you reject the gospel so you are going to Hell.

You know nothing, and you aren't coming from a place of love with God and prayer in your heart.

You are listening to your ego and a human need to be right.

In fact you would rather be right then pray about things that upset you.

 

[Parture]

You're just sinning bearing false witness. You and Emily are going to Hell since you don't know salvation is not by works, lest anyone should boast. You are a hypocrite because you say not to judge and you judge. Why is it ok for you to treat others as you would not like to be treated? Doublestandards are unethical.

How do I know teddyearp is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell. Christians are already saved. Why do we need to get saved by universalists?

I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?

If you have an issue with Teddy or Emily, you should be praying about it until the issue leaves you.

God didn't put people in your life for no reason at all, perhaps you are needing to learn something.

I do pray for them and you that one day you give your life to Christ. God put me here to help you.

You don't know anything about me, but i always appreciate prayers, so thank you for that I hope you really are praying

I know that you reject the gospel so you are going to Hell.

You know nothing, and you aren't coming from a place of love with God and prayer in your heart.

You are listening to your ego and a human need to be right.

In fact you would rather be right then pray about things that upset you.

You reject the gospel of salvation so you are going to Hell. Very simple so you are without excuse.

 

[Parture]

No Christian would be that condescending to a Christian.

Please tell us what kind of Christian you are. Do you accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior?

I didn't know there were different kinds of Christians. I thought believers were all saved the same way? Tell me more.

 

[teddyearp]

I can't imagine what you would do to a beggar, a leper or a prostitute who isn't living the word, you might shun, ban or throw more stones.

WOW!

You should see how the little boy did not answer these self same question in his thread. When I asked him if he would offer a spare jacket to me if I was cold, he couldn't because in his mind, I was already in Hell.

 

[Michelle420]

I can't imagine what you would do to a beggar, a leper or a prostitute who isn't living the word, you might shun, ban or throw more stones.

WOW!

You should see how the little boy did not answer these self same question in his thread. When I asked him if he would offer a spare jacket to me if I was cold, he couldn't because in his mind, I was already in Hell.

Very unloving and disappointing.

 

[Parture]

I can't imagine what you would do to a beggar, a leper or a prostitute who isn't living the word, you might shun, ban or throw more stones.

WOW!

You should see how the little boy did not answer these self same question in his thread. When I asked him if he would offer a spare jacket to me if I was cold, he couldn't because in his mind, I was already in Hell.

That's a stupid question, since nobody is in Hell and it is not possible for Lazarus to go to the Rich Man in Hell. Read your Bible.

 

[Michelle420]

I can't imagine what you would do to a beggar, a leper or a prostitute who isn't living the word, you might shun, ban or throw more stones.

WOW!

You should see how the little boy did not answer these self same question in his thread. When I asked him if he would offer a spare jacket to me if I was cold, he couldn't because in his mind, I was already in Hell.

teddy is just trying to deflection from the reason why he is not saved,

How do I know teddyearp is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell. Christians are already saved. Why do we need to get saved by universalists?

I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?

The amount of time you invest in judging you should instead use in praying for yourself and those very people you spend so much energy condemning.

 

[Parture]

I can't imagine what you would do to a beggar, a leper or a prostitute who isn't living the word, you might shun, ban or throw more stones.

WOW!

You should see how the little boy did not answer these self same question in his thread. When I asked him if he would offer a spare jacket to me if I was cold, he couldn't because in his mind, I was already in Hell.

Very unloving and disappointing.

Indeed you are.

 

[Michelle420]

I can't imagine what you would do to a beggar, a leper or a prostitute who isn't living the word, you might shun, ban or throw more stones.

WOW!

You should see how the little boy did not answer these self same question in his thread. When I asked him if he would offer a spare jacket to me if I was cold, he couldn't because in his mind, I was already in Hell.

Very unloving and disappointing.

Indeed you are.

Do you want my coat Parture? I am happy to give it to you

 

[teddyearp]

For the last time Parture , do you accept Jesus Christ as your God and Savior?

yes or no?

 

[Parture]

For the last time Parture , do you accept Jesus Christ as your God and Savior?

yes or no?

You missed the point that a person saved can't give a coat to someone in Hell.

Why don't you give the coat to someone who needs it? Let me if you do so.

 

[Gracie]

Also, Emily, don't feel lonely. I don't fit in any box either. Parts of me keeps flopping out.

Be yourself. Follow your own path. No labels, no strict rule to follow. Just trudge along and do your thang. You and I might not be alone after all. Just some differences here and there. And if that is the case, then who else could blend in with us both? Get my drift? Lots of folks out there....one website that is wacko doesn't represent them all.

You admit you are not a Christian also?

Yep, I admit it. Now kiss my pagan ass.