For you "suckers and loser's" critics, Stolen valor is far far worse

[TheGreatSatan]

According to yer story there is no stolen valor or desertion. What makes me sick is that rich fat bastards like Trump was too much of a coward to serve his nation in the military.

Trump didn't claim to have carried a weapon at war.

 

[JustAGuy1]

just like your boy biden
might wanna stay on topic
Thinking error: hopover
which you have many

Not to mention Clinton " I loathe the Military".

 

[Blisterfinger]

You're a real creepy weird guy.

Are you a disgrace like crappy?

 

[Blisterfinger]

You doing the bob dole thing and talking in third person now?

I saw you in your short bus crappy!

 

[Montrovant]

Claimed he carried a weapon in war right here, schmendrick.




The very definition of "stolen valor".

Suck on it.

"And we can make sure that those weapons of war that I carried in war is the only place where those weapons are (allowed? at? not sure of the final word)"

That's the quote as I'm hearing it, with the final word a bit unclear, but I think the meaning of that last word clear from context.

I've got to say, depending on how you punctuate this, it can mean very different things. Put another way, it's very open to interpretation.

'And we can make sure that those weapons of war, that I carried in war, is the only place where those weapons are allowed.'
'And we can make sure that those weapons of war that I carried, in war is the only place where those weapons are allowed.'

To be honest, from the wording, the second one makes more sense. Of course, there's no reason to assume anything about his grammar, so it could be meant either way. I don't think it's a clear lie that he carried the weapons in war, though.

 

[Dante]

unlike suckers and losers comment this stolen valor has mountains of evidence.

Vance Accuses Tim Walz Of Military Service ‘Stolen Valor’: The Disputed Allegations Explained

Walz retired from the Minnesota National Guard after 24 years of service in 2005, and was elected to Congress in 2006.

www.forbes.com

I said it:
Beware. Be Ready. The "Swift-boating" Of Tim Walz is coming. I seem to remember some rightwing nuts going after Walz back in 2018. I was there when they went after Kerry on 2004. These people cannot help themselves.

They were desperate then, they will be viciously so now. Get ready. Rightwing rags are ready to go.

Walz beat them back then. He will do so again. But it will get nasty.

 

[Dante]

"And we can make sure that those weapons of war that I carried in war is the only place where those weapons are (allowed? at? not sure of the final word)"

That's the quote as I'm hearing it, with the final word a bit unclear, but I think the meaning of that last word clear from context.

I've got to say, depending on how you punctuate this, it can mean very different things. Put another way, it's very open to interpretation.

'And we can make sure that those weapons of war, that I carried in war, is the only place where those weapons are allowed.'
'And we can make sure that those weapons of war that I carried, in war is the only place where those weapons are allowed.'

To be honest, from the wording, the second one makes more sense. Of course, there's no reason to assume anything about his grammar, so it could be meant either way. I don't think it's a clear lie that he carried the weapons in war, though.

It's not what Walz did, it is him lying about what he did that is the problem.

the stench of desperation coming out of Trump campaign:

The strategy, which Trump amplified Wednesday by calling Walz a “DISGRACE” on Truth Social, is a throwback to 2004, when Republicans attacked Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry’s record as a Navy officer in Vietnam. Chris LaCivita — who was a consultant to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth group that helped sink Kerry’s bid — is a senior adviser to Trump’s campaign and has signaled an eagerness to reopen the playbook on Walz.

Republicans start attacking Walz by going after his military record

Donald Trump’s presidential campaign is homing in on what advisers see as a potential liability for Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz: his departure from the Army National Guard two decades ago.

www.yahoo.com

Walz has faced such attacks before, including in his re-election campaign in 2022, when his GOP opponent questioned his decision to leave the service in 2005. Walz’s campaign responded with a letter signed by 50 veterans praising his record and leadership.

“Governor Walz secured additional funding for new veterans homes,” read the letter, a copy of which the Harris campaign shared Wednesday with NBC News. “In his first term, Minnesota was one of just seven states initially selected by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to participate in the ‘Governor’s Challenge’ to eliminate veteran deaths by suicide.”

 

[Dante]

So, he didn't claim to have gone to war. That is hella worse.

Vance also accused Walz of feigning a record in active combat: "[Walz] said - and he was making a point about gun control - he said, ‘we shouldn't allow weapons that I used in war, to be on America's streets.' Well, I wonder, Tim Walz, when you ever in war?"

The senator actually misquoted Walz in his screed. In the clip Vance was referencing, Walz says that he "carried" weapons in war, not "used." Given that Operation Enduring Freedom was a part of the post-9/11 War on Terror, and that Walz was deployed to Italy under it - and likely had a service weapon - the claim that he is engaging in "stolen valor" holds little water.

 

[Dante]

24 years collecting "Weekend Warrior" cash, but when duty called to deploy he bailed on his men.

You need to see how the guys he bailed on feel.

We look at Walz, a 60-year-old U.S. Army National Guard veteran, and his military career over the years.

How long was Walz in the military?​

Walz served in the military for 24 years, enlisting in the Nebraska National Guard at 17 in 1981 and then transferring to the Minnesota National Guard in 1996. He retired in 2005 to begin his successful run for the U.S. House, representing Minnesota as command sergeant major, among the highest ranks for enlisted soldiers. His battalion went on to deploy to Iraq.

Walz specialized in heavy artillery and had proficiency ribbons in sharpshooting and hand grenades.

But during the 21 years that Walz spent working with large artillery pieces, he suffered hearing loss and tinnitus in both ears, Minnesota Public Radio reported. He was allowed to continue his service after undergoing surgery, which partially resolved his hearing loss.

...

Stars and Stripes reported in 2020 that Walz credited his Army experience with helping him steer Minnesota through the COVID-19 pandemic as governor.

As governor of Minnesota, Walz is commander in chief of the 13,000-soldier Minnesota National Guard. “I’m certainly proud of my military service, but it’s one piece of me,” he told Minnesota Public Radio in 2018. “It doesn’t define me.”

Tim Walz's military record: What to know about potential VP's National Guard service

Democratic vp pick Tim Walz served for decades in the Army National Guard, serving in the U.S. and overseas.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Stann]

Long ago debunked.


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Walz is down to earth , not a liar. No need to lie when you do the right things in life.

 

[Dante]

perhaps you could tell us your MS or your DRO

Walz has said he has “an honorable record” — and other service members who led the same battalion have defended him.

“He was a great soldier,” Joseph Eustice, who served 32 years in the National Guard, told the Star Tribune in 2022.

“When he chose to leave, he had every right to leave,” added Eustice, who indicated that other attacks on Walz’s record may have been made by disgruntled soldiers who were passed up for promotions.

Another National Guard member who served under Walz said that the future US lawmaker was eyeing a run for Congress earlier than 2005.

“Would the soldier look down on him because he didn’t go with us? Would the common soldier say, ‘Hey, he didn’t go with us, he’s trying to skip out on a deployment?’ And he wasn’t,” Al Bonnifield recalled to Minnesota Public Radio of Walz’s concerns about dipping out before the deployment to Iraq.

“He talked with us for quite a while on that subject. He weighed that decision to run for Congress very heavy [sic],” Bonnifeld added. “He loved the military, he loved the guard, he loved the soldiers he worked with.”

“We all do what we can. I’m proud I did 24 years,” Walz has said about his service.

Walz joined the National Guard after high school and had served in the 1st Battalion, 125th Field Artillery before his retirement, where he obtained the rank of command sergeant major.

During his subsequent tenure in Congress, Walz came out in opposition against then-President George W. Bush’s plans to increase troop levels in Iraq.

Where did Walz serve, and what did he do in the National Guard?​

During his service, Walz responded to natural disasters, including floods and tornadoes in Minnesota and Nebraska, and was deployed overseas for months at a time, according to MPR.

In 2003, he was sent to Italy, where he served with the European Security Force to support the war in Afghanistan. He was also stationed in Norway for joint training with other NATO militaries.

Walz told MPR that he reenlisted in the National Guard after the September 11 attacks but never saw active combat in his years in the military.

Stars and Stripes reported in 2020 that Walz credited his Army experience with helping him steer Minnesota through the COVID-19 pandemic as governor.

As governor of Minnesota, Walz is commander in chief of the 13,000-soldier Minnesota National Guard. “I’m certainly proud of my military service, but it’s one piece of me,” he told Minnesota Public Radio in 2018. “It doesn’t define me.”

 

[Blisterfinger]

He (she?) is just pissed because they are now wholly owned by yours truly.

Crappy is embarrassed by what I've done to him. He is just a shell now. A disgrace LOL

 

[Dante]

Stolen Valor....
.mic drop. How embarrassing for you

He lied about his rank and he quit when his unit was about to be deployed. Cowardly.

Nope.

Right-wing media are reviving old smears pushed by political rivals of Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz about his retirement from the military, accusing him of “stolen valor” and misleading their audience about the reality of his 24-year service record with the National Guard. Specifically, right-wing media are claiming that Walz resigned and “abandoned” his National Guard unit and resigned after the unit received deployment orders to go to Iraq when in reality, Walz resigned two months before the unit received orders, and Walz likely submitted his retirement papers even earlier.


According to a copy of his service record obtained by Military.com, Walz enlisted in the Army National Guard in 1981 and reached the rank of command sergeant major before retiring in 2005, following a reenlistment after the September 11, 2001, terror attacks. Walz retired honorably as a master sergeant — a lower rank than command sergeant major — since he did not complete all of the necessary coursework for the higher rank before his service ended. Walz went on to successfully campaign for Congress, where he served for multiple terms, helping veterans exposed to toxins during their military service, sponsoring a veterans suicide prevention bill, and advocating for more GI Bill benefits.


During Walz’s 2018 gubernatorial campaign, retired Command Sgts. Maj. Thomas Behrends and Paul Herr wrote a “paid endorsement letter” just days before the election accusing Walz of “abandon[ing]” his unit in order to run for Congress. Specifically, they claimed that he retired in mid-2005 to dodge a unit deployment to Iraq the following year. This smear was repeated by Walz’s gubernatorial opponent in October 2022.

Right-wing media push old debunked smear of Walz’s military record despite his 24 years of service

www.mediamatters.org

 

[Blisterfinger]

Walz is down to earth , not a liar. No need to lie when you do the right things in life.

Looks like he lied about his military service. It's called stolen valor

 

[elektra]

24 years collecting "Weekend Warrior" cash, but when duty called to deploy he bailed on his men.

Walz was afraid to go to combat, yet Walz claimed he did go to combat.

 

[Dante]

just like your boy biden
might wanna stay on topic
Thinking error: hopover
which you have many

the stench of desperation coming out of Trump campaign:

The strategy, which Trump amplified Wednesday by calling Walz a “DISGRACE” on Truth Social, is a throwback to 2004, when Republicans attacked Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry’s record as a Navy officer in Vietnam. Chris LaCivita — who was a consultant to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth group that helped sink Kerry’s bid — is a senior adviser to Trump’s campaign and has signaled an eagerness to reopen the playbook on Walz.

Republicans start attacking Walz by going after his military record

Donald Trump’s presidential campaign is homing in on what advisers see as a potential liability for Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz: his departure from the Army National Guard two decades ago.

www.yahoo.com

Walz has faced such attacks before, including in his re-election campaign in 2022, when his GOP opponent questioned his decision to leave the service in 2005. Walz’s campaign responded with a letter signed by 50 veterans praising his record and leadership.

“Governor Walz secured additional funding for new veterans homes,” read the letter, a copy of which the Harris campaign shared Wednesday with NBC News. “In his first term, Minnesota was one of just seven states initially selected by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to participate in the ‘Governor’s Challenge’ to eliminate veteran deaths by suicide.”

 

[Stann]

It's not what Walz did, it is him lying about what he did that is the problem.

What exactly do you think he did wrong ?

 

[Dante]

Looks like he lied about his military service. It's called stolen valor

By 2005, Tim Walz had logged 24 years with the Army National Guard and earned the rank of command sergeant major -- the highest enlisted rank for his unit and one with considerable responsibility. But "because he did not complete additional coursework at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy" he was retired as Master Sergeant

What to know about Walz's military record and Vance's accusations of 'stolen valor'

Donald Trump's running mate, Sen. JD Vance, is alleging Kamala Harris' running mate, Tim Walz, is guilty of "stolen valor." Here's what to know about his record.

abcnews.go.com

According to records by the National Guard, the 1st Battalion of the 125th Field Artillery received an alert order on July 14, 2005, – two months after Walz retired. The mobilization order came in August and the unit mobilized in October.

Joseph Eustice, another retired command sergeant major who served with Walz, tells ABC News that while there was speculation of a deployment around that time there was no firm indication that Walz’s unit would be sent to Iraq until that July alert order.

Eustice says he remembers Walz struggling with the timing of wanting to serve as a lawmaker but also avoiding asking for a deferment so he could do so.

"He had a window of time. He had to decide. And in his deciding, we were not on notice to be deployed. There were rumors. There were lots of rumors, and we didn't know where we were going until it was later that, early summer, I believe,” Eustice told ABC News.

 

[Dante]

Walz was afraid to go to combat, yet Walz claimed he did go to combat.

“You abandoned your unit right before they went to Iraq,” Mr. Vance said.

Mr. Vance based his accusations on a Facebook post from 2018, and a paid letter to the editor to The West Central Tribune that same year in which the writers, Thomas Behrends and Paul Herr, both retired command sergeant majors in the Minnesota National Guard, accused Mr. Walz of “conveniently retiring a year before his battalion was deployed to Iraq.”

The criticisms were first leveled by Mr. Behrends and Mr. Herr during Mr. Walz’s first campaign for governor.

But Joseph Eustice, a 32-year veteran of the national guard who led the same battalion as Mr. Walz and served under him, said in an interview on Wednesday that the governor was a dependable soldier and that the attacks by his fellow comrades were unfounded.

“He was as good a soldier as you’d find, and to have two former sergeant majors say that he wasn’t, it’s just not true,” Mr. Eustice said, adding that he disagreed with Mr. Walz’s politics and most likely would not vote for him in November even though they were friends.

Mr. Eustice recalled that Mr. Walz’s decision to run for Congress came months before the battalion received any official notice of deployment, though he said there had been rumors that it might be deployed.

 

[Blisterfinger]

By 2005, Tim Walz had logged 24 years with the Army National Guard and earned the rank of command sergeant major -- the highest enlisted rank for his unit and one with considerable responsibility. But "because he did not complete additional coursework at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy" he was retired as Master Sergeant

What to know about Walz's military record and Vance's accusations of 'stolen valor'

Donald Trump's running mate, Sen. JD Vance, is alleging Kamala Harris' running mate, Tim Walz, is guilty of "stolen valor." Here's what to know about his record.

abcnews.go.com

According to records by the National Guard, the 1st Battalion of the 125th Field Artillery received an alert order on July 14, 2005, – two months after Walz retired. The mobilization order came in August and the unit mobilized in October.

Joseph Eustice, another retired command sergeant major who served with Walz, tells ABC News that while there was speculation of a deployment around that time there was no firm indication that Walz’s unit would be sent to Iraq until that July alert order.

Eustice says he remembers Walz struggling with the timing of wanting to serve as a lawmaker but also avoiding asking for a deferment so he could do so.

"He had a window of time. He had to decide. And in his deciding, we were not on notice to be deployed. There were rumors. There were lots of rumors, and we didn't know where we were going until it was later that, early summer, I believe,” Eustice told ABC News.

And then he lied. You okay with that?