For years Democrats have begged for higher taxes…if that’s what tariffs are then why all the resistance?

[BULLDOG]

And which items have gone up due to tariffs?

https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/walmart-warns-higher-prices-withholds-second-quarter-profit-guidance-2025-05-15/

 

[SweetTea]

And a happy country doesn't elect a fascist troll like Donald Trump.

Your indoctrination is showing again.

The fact is that if you can't see a doctor regularly, because it's too expensive, you are going to neglect your health. If women can't get into see an OB/GYN during their pregnancy, they are more likely to have infant mortality. When people have to make a choice between food and medicine, they are going to neglect their medicine.

This isn't complicated at all.

The best doctor in the world doesn't do you a damn bit of good if you can't get in to see him.

I assume you are talking about those not on Medicaid or Medicare. I can promise you those on Medicaid, you know, the poorest people, have no issues on this front. My wife can vouch for this.

What about Obamacare? Wasn’t it supposed to fix the problem for those that fell through the cracks?

Ooooh, "Globalists", the paranoid right wing word when they hear that America is past her best days.

MAGA…that is kind of the whole point. We are still the greatest country on the planet, despite what your lefty friends are telling you, but we have slipped some in certain areas for sure since the end of WW2, in terms of the gap between us and some other countries. Slipped, but still on top, There is no real question about that.

 

[SweetTea]

Because it's a tax on the working class and not the wealthy, who need to be paying more in taxes.

Duh.

Why don’t you start a movement among fellow Democrats like yourself to voluntarily pay more taxes that you current do. You are “rich” compared to the guy not working or making minimum wage.

Why do the “rich” Democrats want the SALT deduction uncapped so badly? It sure seems like they talk a big game, but when it comes down to it, they aren’t interested in backing it up.

 

[JoeB131]

I assume you are talking about those not on Medicaid or Medicare. I can promise you those on Medicaid, you know, the poorest people, have no issues on this front. My wife can vouch for this.

Medicaid, like a lot of poverty relief programs, is a trap. If you reach a certain level with it, you lose the benefit, so people don't take better paying jobs.

What about Obamacare? Wasn’t it supposed to fix the problem for those that fell through the cracks?

No, ObamaCare just made the insurance industry richer. We need single payer, period.

MAGA…that is kind of the whole point. We are still the greatest country on the planet, despite what your lefty friends are telling you, but we have slipped some in certain areas for sure since the end of WW2, in terms of the gap between us and some other countries. Slipped, but still on top, There is no real question about that.

Actually, we've been a country in decline since the 1980s because the Republicans have dismantled unions, undermined public education, and allowed a transfer of wealth to the rich. We are slowly but surely becoming a third-world country of only the very rich and the very poor.

Why don’t you start a movement among fellow Democrats like yourself to voluntarily pay more taxes that you current do. You are “rich” compared to the guy not working or making minimum wage.

Okay, after the Billionaires and Millionaires have paid their fair share, they can come knocking on my door if they still need money. Sounds fair to me.

Why do the “rich” Democrats want the SALT deduction uncapped so badly? It sure seems like they talk a big game, but when it comes down to it, they aren’t interested in backing it up.

Because the SALT deduction cap is bad economics, guy. Like everything your Orange Fuhrer does.

 

[SweetTea]

Medicaid, like a lot of poverty relief programs, is a trap. If you reach a certain level with it, you lose the benefit, so people don't take better paying jobs.

Yes, welfare programs should have work requirements. Guess which party doesn’t support that?

No, ObamaCare just made the insurance industry richer. We need single payer, period.

You don’t have a clue what you are wishing for. You would be in for a rude awakening. I for one have no interest in jumping in that sinking ship with you loons.

Actually, we've been a country in decline since the 1980s because the Republicans have dismantled unions, undermined public education, and allowed a transfer of wealth to the rich. We are slowly but surely becoming a third-world country of only the very rich and the very poor.

Hyperbole much? We aren’t anywhere close to a third world country. Maybe in Chicago you see the results of Dimwit policies and all the homelessness and poverty. Where I live, we aren’t often exposed to that.

Okay, after the Billionaires and Millionaires have paid their fair share, they can come knocking on my door if they still need money. Sounds fair to me.

What is their fair share? They already pay far more than you do. What is their rich by the way. Is 400k your “rich” line?

Because the SALT deduction cap is bad economics, guy. Like everything your Orange Fuhrer does.

Deducting huge amounts of local taxes from your federal return is less money in the federal coffers. I thought that is why you people wanted? Oh wait, this is different somehow.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, welfare programs should have work requirements. Guess which party doesn’t support that?

What I remember is Slick Willy did exactly that with his welfare reform of the 1990s. Then they dropped them after Bush wrecked the economy and Middle Class white people were having a hard time finding jobs.

You don’t have a clue what you are wishing for. You would be in for a rude awakening. I for one have no interest in jumping in that sinking ship with you loons.

The sinking ship was what we had before ObamaCare. Why do you think big insurance went along with the ACA? Out of the goodness of their hearts? Hell, no, they don't have any.

Hyperbole much? We aren’t anywhere close to a third world country. Maybe in Chicago you see the results of Dimwit policies and all the homelessness and poverty. Where I live, we aren’t often exposed to that.

Actually, travelling through your part of the country, or having the bad luck to be stationed there during my time in the military, that was a third world country.

What is their fair share? They already pay far more than you do. What is their rich by the way. Is 400k your “rich” line?

We've been over this. Go back to the tax rates before Ronnie Ray-gun screwed them up and shifted the burden to the middle class.

Deducting huge amounts of local taxes from your federal return is less money in the federal coffers. I thought that is why you people wanted? Oh wait, this is different somehow.

Yes, it is.

The cap is $10,000. I used to be able to file my Schedule A and get a pretty decent deduction between my property tax and local property tax. Now my accountant doesn't even bother, and I'm hardly rich.

It's not just mansions, it's businesses and even modest middle class homes that are effected.

 

[SweetTea]

What I remember is Slick Willy did exactly that with his welfare reform of the 1990s. Then they dropped them after Bush wrecked the economy and Middle Class white people were having a hard time finding jobs.

And Trump is pushing for work requirements. You should be cheering, but it is Trump, so….

Actually, travelling through your part of the country, or having the bad luck to be stationed there during my time in the military, that was a third world country.

LOL, yeah, those lakes and golf courses sure are dumps. You have no idea what you are talking about it. People from your area of the country are moving down in droves because they are getting jobs that pay close to what they were getting in that God forsaken place. They can afford to live in a nicer neighborhood, with FAR less crime, homeless people not on every street corner and an added benefit is the weather.

It's not just mansions, it's businesses and even modest middle class homes that are effected.

So why not raise the cap just a little? Democrats don’t want a cap. They want their fellow Democrats in the Hamptons to be able to deduct their 150k in property taxes.

 

[JoeB131]

And Trump is pushing for work requirements. You should be cheering, but it is Trump, so….

Because he'll **** it up. The problem with most "work requirements" is that they are meant to punish poor people for being poor. When Trump ***** up the economy (and he will) those middle class people will be scrambling for those jobs.

LOL, yeah, those lakes and golf courses sure are dumps. You have no idea what you are talking about it. People from your area of the country are moving down in droves because they are getting jobs that pay close to what they were getting in that God forsaken place. They can afford to live in a nicer neighborhood, with FAR less crime, homeless people not on every street corner and an added benefit is the weather.

Why do you think "We have a golf course and mansions" makes you less of a third world country?

People are moving down there because that's where the big corporations are moving the jobs they can't move to the third world, as much as they want to. Like my friend who moved down there for her husband's job. She hates it down there. (Probably being the only Asian in a place full of white people doesn't help.)

So why not raise the cap just a little? Democrats don’t want a cap. They want their fellow Democrats in the Hamptons to be able to deduct their 150k in property taxes.

Why have a cap at all? This was about screwing over states that didn't vote for him, not any kind of sensible policy.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

What about Obamacare? Wasn’t it supposed to fix the problem for those that fell through the cracks?

It has for million and millions of people, yet you are trying to stop millions more who need it.

 

[SweetTea]

Because he'll **** it up. The problem with most "work requirements" is that they are meant to punish poor people for being poor. When Trump ***** up the economy (and he will) those middle class people will be scrambling for those jobs.

Punish them by making them work? Yeah, ok.

The only thing that will screw up the economy is desperate Democrats. I don’t put anything past them to get Trump. Politics over country every single time with Democrats.

Why do you think "We have a golf course and mansions" makes you less of a third world country?

They aren’t usually associated with third world.

People are moving down there because that's where the big corporations are moving the jobs they can't move to the third world, as much as they want to. Like my friend who moved down there for her husband's job. She hates it down there. (Probably being the only Asian in a place full of white people doesn't help.)

They are moving down because life is FAR better here. Sorry if your friend moved into some bad area. We have those too, but if her husband has a good job in a nice area, they should have it far better than they did around Chicago.

Why have a cap at all? This was about screwing over states that didn't vote for him, not any kind of sensible policy.

So now you are in favor of no cap so the rich “Democrats” in the NE can get way with skirting a bunch of federal income taxes. I thought you wanted them to “pay their fair share”. How is allowing them to deduct the huge property tax bill from their mansions align with that idea? You are all over the place.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Sweet Tea does not get that is has only been Don who has screwed up the economy in the last ten years. And he is doing it again.

 

[Captain Caveman]

https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/walmart-warns-higher-prices-withholds-second-quarter-profit-guidance-2025-05-15/

Not very informative. It states aluminium, but not what items. It lists bananas, avocados, coffee, and roses. I'm UK and buy non of those, well once in a blue moon, coffee. I imagine some Americans are in the same boat that don't buy them. How much will tariffs add to bananas, avocados, coffee, and roses? A few cents? The sky is falling

Can you keep a weekly list of how much extra you've spent because of tariffs and post it here?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Not very informative. It states aluminium, but not what items. It lists bananas, avocados, coffee, and roses. I'm UK and buy non of those, well once in a blue moon, coffee. I imagine some Americans are in the same boat that don't buy them. How much will tariffs add to bananas, avocados, coffee, and roses? A few cents? The sky is falling

Can you keep a weekly list of how much extra you've spent because of tariffs and post it here?

All should do that each Monday, beginning in June.

 

[Captain Caveman]

All should do that each Monday, beginning in June.

Then we can add up the pennies

 

[JoeB131]

Punish them by making them work? Yeah, ok.

The only thing that will screw up the economy is desperate Democrats. I don’t put anything past them to get Trump. Politics over country every single time with Democrats.

Trump is already screwing the economy, with the usual Republican Bad ideas.

Republicans have brought us 10 of the last 11 recesssions. Soon to be 11 out of 12.

They are moving down because life is FAR better here. Sorry if your friend moved into some bad area. We have those too, but if her husband has a good job in a nice area, they should have it far better than they did around Chicago.

Actually, she lived in the same town I live in now. Which was voted one of the best places to live in the country.

So now you are in favor of no cap so the rich “Democrats” in the NE can get way with skirting a bunch of federal income taxes. I thought you wanted them to “pay their fair share”. How is allowing them to deduct the huge property tax bill from their mansions align with that idea? You are all over the place.

I doubt anyone who is rich enough to afford a mansion is going to skirt their federal tax obligation, especially if we ACTUALLY MAKE THE RICH PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE.

Oh, I saved $10,000 on my property tax and am paying a million more in income tax.

I'm good with that.

 

[SweetTea]

Republicans have brought us 10 of the last 11 recesssions. Soon to be 11 out of 12.

You are on the minority side of this opinion. Most “experts” do not believe we are headed towards a recession. They did, but then flipped on dime because, well, they aren’t really experts but rather shock jocks that fire up the financially ignorant masses.

Actually, she lived in the same town I live in now. Which was voted one of the best places to live in the country.

In Illinois? Don’t make me laugh.

I doubt anyone who is rich enough to afford a mansion is going to skirt their federal tax obligation, especially if we ACTUALLY MAKE THE RICH PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE.

They are obviously trying to skirt a portion of their federal income tax bill, thus why they want the SALT cap removed.

 

[JoeB131]

You are on the minority side of this opinion. Most “experts” do not believe we are headed towards a recession. They did, but then flipped on dime because, well, they aren’t really experts but rather shock jocks that fire up the financially ignorant masses.

Talk to JP Morgan.

What Is the Probability of a Recession? | J.P. Morgan Research

The de-escalation of trade tensions will likely reduce the risk of a U.S. and global recession this year. Get the latest predictions from J.P. Morgan Research.

www.jpmorgan.com

• n early April, J.P. Morgan Research raised the probability of a recession occurring in 2025 to 60% — up from 40%.
• The latest unwinding of the Liberation Day tariffs reduces the shock to the global trading order, but the remaining universal 10% tariff is still a material threat to growth and the 145% tariff on China keeps the probability of a recession at 60%.
• J.P. Morgan Research now expects the Fed to start easing in September, with further cuts at every meeting thereafter through January 2026—reaching a 3% policy rate by June 2026.

In Illinois? Don’t make me laugh.

You came to IL once and a negro scared you, right?

They are obviously trying to skirt a portion of their federal income tax bill, thus why they want the SALT cap removed.

Please.

If you cut a mansion owner's taxes by millions and get rid of thousands in SALT deductions, the rich person is paying less.

The people who are going to get screwed by this are the dumbasses who bought McMansions on Upper Middle Class salaries.

 

[SweetTea]

Talk to JP Morgan.

Yeah, they are wrong and in the minority opinion now. Try to keep up.

I could have sworn that tehy lowered their projections as well just the other day.

MSN

You came to IL once and a negro scared you, right?

We have a higher percentage of black people all over the South than you do in Illinois. Nice try.

If you cut a mansion owner's taxes by millions and get rid of thousands in SALT deductions, the rich person is paying less.

Getting rid of thousands in SALT deductions adds to any cut. By the way, Trump isn’t looking at cutting taxes, just extending the existing taxes across the board. That even helps you.

The people who are going to get screwed by this are the dumbasses who bought McMansions on Upper Middle Class salaries.

No, they are screwed because they live in blue state that taxes them to death. That is their own fault. Sorry, but I shouldn’t have to pay for their voting stupidity. By the way, the taxes are so high in places like NJ, that the 10k SALT cap is breached on a very average home. I have a young cousin who purchased her first home in NJ, but sold it because her taxes each month were higher than her mortgage. That is ridiculous, but again, don’t burden the rest of us with the ignorant voting decisions.

 

[JoeB131]

We have a higher percentage of black people all over the South than you do in Illinois. Nice try.

Ah, yes, but ours are more uppity and don't know their place, amiright?

Getting rid of thousands in SALT deductions adds to any cut. By the way, Trump isn’t looking at cutting taxes, just extending the existing taxes across the board. That even helps you.

Trump doesn't know what he is doing from one day to another. His tariffs ARE a tax that ***** over working people like me. I went to go price a new grill the other day, and the prices were outrageous thanks to Tariffs.

No, they are screwed because they live in blue state that taxes them to death. That is their own fault. Sorry, but I shouldn’t have to pay for their voting stupidity. By the way, the taxes are so high in places like NJ, that the 10k SALT cap is breached on a very average home. I have a young cousin who purchased her first home in NJ, but sold it because her taxes each month were higher than her mortgage. That is ridiculous, but again, don’t burden the rest of us with the ignorant voting decisions.

I agree, taxes on the working class are too high, but we've been shifting the burden to the working class since Ronnie Ray-gun and his new Federalism.

 

[Polishprince]

I agree, taxes on the working class are too high, but we've been shifting the burden to the working class since Ronnie Ray-gun and his new Federalism.

Why didn't Far Left US Presidents like Sleepy Joe, Slick Willy or B. Hussein O do anything about this?

Actually, President Trump is doing something about it, the Big Beautiful Bill proposes eliminating taxes on Social Security and Tips.

But not a single Democrat voted for the BBB.