Zone1 For those who believe the USA is the Democracy, read this.

[rightwinger]

California openly declares herself as a Republic on her flag ...

Florida still uses the Spanish Empire's flag ... folks even Hitler fought against by helping Franco ... "seig heil" right there Floridians ...

People’s Republic of China is a Republic
So was the Union of Socialist Soviet Republics

Doesn’t mean they are Democracies

The Democratic People's Republic of Korea comes to mind...

What's in a name, I ask.

That is why Republicans try to convince us we are not a Democracy

They want to convince us we are more like Republics China, USSR and N Korea

 

[Captain Caveman]

Nitpick ... Vice President is elected at the same time a s the President ... de jure ... and this is demonstrated by the Electoral College submitting votes for both offices ...

We The People caused the 25th Amendment to come into being ... that's Republicanism ...

So on your ballot you have to tick a box to vote for president and tick a box on who should be vice president?

 

[Crepitus]

North Korea isn't a monarchy ... Them the People vote for their elected Won Shoe Nyt or whatever that guy's name is ... he always wins 100% of the vote ... lucky I guess ... why wouldn't you vote for him? ... that's a GREAT haircut he's got ...

Kim Jong Un

 

[Crepitus]

Nitpick ... Vice President is elected at the same time a s the President ... de jure ... and this is demonstrated by the Electoral College submitting votes for both offices ...

We The People caused the 25th Amendment to come into being ... that's Republicanism ...

We elect the ticket. Pres and vice all at once.

 

[toobfreak]

And these laws are God given or something? No, they get passed by assemblies with representatives bein chosen by their constituencies. Right, by a mob.

Wrong. Not by a mob. A mob is a group, a subset within the total. Laws are passed by the total, by the representation of the total, because they apply to ALL. What a mob does only applies to the good of the mob.

 

[ESay]

Wrong. Not by a mob. A mob is a group, a subset within the total. Laws are passed by the total, by the representation of the total, because they apply to ALL. What a mob does only applies to the good of the mob.

That is true for any democracy.

 

[Curried Goats]

Wrong. Not by a mob. A mob is a group, a subset within the total. Laws are passed by the total, by the representation of the total, because they apply to ALL. What a mob does only applies to the good of the mob.

What? The whole group of American voters getting an equal say on who our President is would be best represented by the popular vote while a smaller subset of people getting to decide instead sounds a lot more like the electoral college.

 

[22lcidw]

People’s Republic of China is a Republic
So was the Union of Socialist Soviet Republics

Doesn’t mean they are Democracies


That is why Republicans try to convince us we are not a Democracy

They want to convince us we are more like Republics China, USSR and N Korea

It is following their constitutions. They did not. They do not. They enforce fear on their citizens. It works because wealth is/was minimal. Progs are of their governments.

 

[toobfreak]

What? The whole group of American voters getting an equal say on who our President is would be best represented by the popular vote while a smaller subset of people getting to decide instead sounds a lot more like the electoral college.

It means just the opposite.

 

[Curried Goats]

It means just the opposite.

How so? What do we need an electoral college for if everyone's vote counts the same?

 

[toobfreak]

How so? What do we need an electoral college for if everyone's vote counts the same?

Because everyone's votes are NOT the same. We are a nation of states as well, and the only way a purely straight popular vote would be fair and work would be if each state were exactly the same area and each had the same number of people.

But that is NOT the case. A straight popular vote would mean that every election would be decided by California and New York with Texas, Florida and a couple others having a secondary influence. About 30 of the states and the people in them would have no say nor ever get represented in their wishes.

 

[Curried Goats]

Because everyone's votes are NOT the same. We are a nation of states as well, and the only way a purely straight popular vote would be fair and work would be if each state were exactly the same area and each had the same number of people.

What do you mean every vote is not the same? Why should I care what a State feels? It's not a living thing. It's a legal fiction.

But that is NOT the case. A straight popular vote would mean that every election would be decided by California and New York with Texas, Florida and a couple others having a secondary influence. About 30 of the states and the people in them would have no say nor ever get represented in their wishes.

You mean the candidate who got more votes from more people would win? Oh the horror. Of course we should consider how Mississippi feels about this. That makes sense.

 

[toobfreak]

What do you mean every vote is not the same?

No time to educate you on principles obviously over your head you do not want to understand that you've had your whole life to learn but didn't.

 

[Curried Goats]

No time to educate you on principles obviously over your head you do not want to understand that you've had your whole life to learn but didn't.

Instead of strawmaning what you imagine I understand how about you use rational arguments to make your case. Why should someone's vote in Mississippi be worth more than someone's in California?

 

[toobfreak]

Instead of strawmaning what you imagine I understand

If you understood, you would not still be asking me questions.

how about you use rational arguments to make your case.

I already tried that with you.

Why should someone's vote in Mississippi be worth more than someone's in California?

I never said that. The matter is obviously over your head.

 

[Curried Goats]

If you understood, you would not still be asking me questions.

This is a debate board. Questioning your arguments is what we do here.

I already tried that with you.

Have you? Try again. Your arguments don't make any sense. You said the mob was a subset of the total. Well the total is the popular vote. That's the total count of votes by people in the election. The electoral college is the subset, or the mob in your argument.

I never said that. The matter is obviously over your head.

This isn't you?

Wrong. Not by a mob. A mob is a group, a subset within the total. Laws are passed by the total, by the representation of the total, because they apply to ALL. What a mob does only applies to the good of the mob.

 

[jotathought]

Have you? Try again. Your arguments don't make any sense. You said the mob was a subset of the total. Well the total is the popular vote. That's the total count of votes by people in the election. The electoral college is the subset, or the mob in your argument.

The popular vote means nothing in a presidential election. The Electoral College is king in presidential elections. A majority of voters nationally may vote for one candidate, and it doesn't mean shit to secure the presidential nomination.

 

[Curried Goats]

The popular vote means nothing in a presidential election. The Electoral College is king in presidential elections. A majority of voters nationally may vote for one candidate, and it doesn't mean shit to secure the presidential nomination.

Why though? Why can't any of you give a rational explanation for why we need the electoral college?

 

[toobfreak]

Questioning your arguments is what we do here.
Your arguments don't make any sense.

Then I suggest you try looking up the making of the electoral college on the internet. Not my job to educate you.

 

[Curried Goats]

Then I suggest you try looking up the making of the electoral college on the internet. Not my job to educate you.

No. It's your job to defend your argument if you can. If you're unable to that really isn't my problem. The electoral college didn't exist for any other reason other than to give voters in rural slave states extra voting power in order to protect their deplorable institution. It only continues to exist to protect white rural voters from becoming the political minorities they're becoming demographically.