For those that may prefer a Socialist country

[Thinker101]

It will happen faster than you think. Advanced automation and AI is going to decimate the capitalist economy, requiring socialism, sooner than you expect.

Well, you keep hoping that, it may be the only chance you have.

 

[tahuyaman]

Sure don't recall saying we don't have social programs.

They just continually move the goal posts.

 

[Red Front]

Tell me which countries you claim are successful socialist nations.


This is where the supporters of socialism fall flat. Every time you point out a failing or failed socialist or communist state they claim the failures are for other reasons. They just don’t do it right.

Yeah just ignore the fact that those countries are sanctioned and essentially under siege. They're in a state of war due to being encircled by the United States and its allies. You also ignore that it took centuries before capitalism replaced chattel slavery and feudalism. It didn't happen overnight or even in one century. Following your faulty reasoning, capitalism doesn't work.

Moreover, capitalism gets bailed out every few years by socialism. Public funds save the day for capitalism one boom and bust cycle after another. Without socialism, conditions would be so dismal that social unrest would lead to a revolution, and that would be the end of capitalism and capitalists. It's public, government funds that maintain capitalism running. Socialism for the rich, is what allows capitalism to survive.

 

[tahuyaman]

Socialism and communism will always fail. It’s contrary to the natural human spirit. It’s dehumanizing. It can only be implemented and maintained through force.

 

[Red Front]

Well, you keep hoping that, it may be the only chance you have.

It's inevitable. Can you think? The advanced automation technology eliminates or drastically reduces wage labor and when that occurs, socialism is necessary. Sooner or later (likely sooner than later), we're going to have to adopt a non-profit system of production to meet our needs. We need to produce the goods and services that we use, without capitalism. Socialism is the natural successor or replacement of capitalism. Bubba is in denial of this, so he fills his mouth with dip, swallowing too much of that tobacco juice. It affects his brain.

 

[Thinker101]

Yeah just ignore the fact that those countries are sanctioned and essentially under siege. They're in a state of war due to being encircled by the United States and its allies. You also ignore that it took centuries before capitalism replaced chattel slavery and feudalism. It didn't happen overnight or even in one century. Following your faulty reasoning, capitalism doesn't work.

Moreover, capitalism gets bailed out every few years by socialism. Public funds save the day for capitalism one boom and bust cycle after another. Without socialism, conditions would be so dismal that social unrest would lead to a revolution, and that would be the end of capitalism and capitalists. It's public, government funds that maintain capitalism running. Socialism for the rich, is what allows capitalism to survive.

Which countries are "those" countries?

 

[tahuyaman]

Yeah just ignore the fact that those countries are sanctioned and essentially under siege. They're in a state of war due to being encircled by the United States and its allies. You also ignore that it took centuries before capitalism replaced chattel slavery and feudalism. It didn't happen overnight or even in one century. Following your faulty reasoning, capitalism doesn't work.

Moreover, capitalism gets bailed out every few years by socialism. Public funds save the day for capitalism one boom and bust cycle after another. Without socialism, conditions would be so dismal that social unrest would lead to a revolution, and that would be the end of capitalism and capitalists. It's public, government funds that maintain capitalism running. Socialism for the rich, is what allows capitalism to survive.

Why won’t you tell me where all these successful socialist nations are ?

Which countries are "those" countries?

they won’t tell us about all these successful socialist or communist nations, because they don’t exist. They only exist in theory and fiction novels.

 

[Thinker101]

It's inevitable. Can you think? The advanced automation technology eliminates or drastically reduces wage labor and when that occurs, socialism is necessary. Sooner or later (likely sooner than later), we're going to have to adopt a non-profit system of production to meet our needs. We need to produce the goods and services that we use, without capitalism. Socialism is the natural successor or replacement of capitalism. Bubba is in denial of this, so he fills his mouth with dip, swallowing too much of that tobacco juice. It affects his brain.

So which is it AI or advanced automation?

 

[Red Front]

Socialism and communism will always fail. It’s contrary to the natural human spirit. It’s dehumanizing. It can only be implemented and maintained through force.

That's the Bubba interpretation. Capitalism is tyranny, socialism is self-determination and freedom. The natural human spirit is one of cooperation, not exploitation. People seek security in community and human interaction, not isolation. So all of that chewing tobacco has rotted your brain.

 

[Thinker101]

Why won’t you tell me where all these successful socialist nations are ?

they won’t tell us about all these successful socialist or communist nations, because they don’t exist. They only exist in theory and fiction novels.

No doubt you have to look for all countries surrounded by the US and under siege.

 

[Kruska]

So, a few socialist programs makes a country a socialist nation?

According to you - yes.
And again those are not Socialist programs - but programs forwarded and implemented by social democratic parties.
That social democrats share certain socialist ideals is understood - but their main principle is due to obvious reasons not the same.

Just because there are true KKK racists among Republicans, doesn't mean that all Republicans share KKK racist ideals. Well, according to you - yes.

 

[tahuyaman]

That's the Bubba interpretation. Capitalism is tyranny, socialism is self-determination and freedom. The natural human spirit is one of cooperation, not exploitation. People seek security in community and human interaction, not isolation. So all of that chewing tobacco has rotted your brain.

I’m still waiting for you to point out all of these past and present successful socialist / communist countries.

 

[tahuyaman]

That's the Bubba interpretation. Capitalism is tyranny, socialism is self-determination and freedom….

That’s absurd. Socialism and communism rely on denying freedom and expressing individuality. Their societies are homogenized. Individualism is discouraged as not everyone has the same abilities.

 

[Red Front]

So which is it AI or advanced automation?

Both, it's all working together. Robots, autonomous machines, artificial intelligence, self-driving vehicles..etc.

 

[Red Front]

I’m still waiting for you to point out all of these past and present successful socialist / communist countries.

You obviously don't understand what capitalism is. No wage labor or too little of it = no more capitalism = socialism. Advanced automation is going to render capitalism obsolete and necessitate socialist non-profit production.

 

[Red Front]

That’s absurd.

It's reality.

 

[Red Front]

According to you - yes.
And again those are not Socialist programs - but programs forwarded and implemented by social democratic parties.
That social democrats share certain socialist ideals is understood - but their main principle is due to obvious reasons not the same.

Just because there are true KKK racists among Republicans, doesn't mean that all Republicans share KKK racist ideals. Well, according to you - yes.

Tahu is a disingenuous, right-wing, brain-dead hillbilly. I wouldn't bother with him.

 

[tahuyaman]

According to you - yes.
And again those are not Socialist programs - but programs forwarded and implemented by social democratic parties.
That social democrats share certain socialist ideals is understood - but their main principle is due to obvious reasons not the same.

Just because there are true KKK racists among Republicans, doesn't mean that all Republicans share KKK racist ideals. Well, according to you - yes.

Now your inserting the KKK? You do realize that the KKK was founded by Democrats, don’t you?

This is why you can’t maintain a ration or substantive discussion with a liberal. Once they run out of spoon fed talking points they go full retard.

 

[tahuyaman]

Tahu is a disingenuous, right-wing, brain-dead hillbilly. I wouldn't bother with him.

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Now he’s into insult mode. That was completely predictable. After all, he’s run out of absurd talking points.

 

[Thinker101]

It's reality.

Still waiting for "those" countries.