For those that may prefer a Socialist country

[Red Front]

And Germany from 1934 -1945 had a Socialist Government with a Fascist Dictator

"Were the Nazis socialists? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly not after 1934. But to address this canard fully, one must begin with the birth of the party."
Source:

Were the Nazis Socialists?

What’s the difference between National Socialists and every other kind of socialist?

www.britannica.com

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[Kruska]

They can be both socialist and fascist. They can even be socialist and Stalinist type nations.

Jesus - can't you read or understand a simple definition of a political system?
Socialism does not allow for a dictatorship - since it is supposed to be Communism but under a democratic system.

 

[tahuyaman]

Jesus - can't you read or understand a simple definition of a political system?
Socialism does not allow for a dictatorship - since it is supposed to be Communism but under a democratic system.

Now that you’re going insult mode you can go screw yourself. I was being reasonable and trying to educate you, but had to ruin it, you dip-shit.

 

[Red Front]

NO - because the Nazi's never controlled the economy and set the market prices. They ran an economy according to free-market principles. Which is totally contrary to the ideal/dogma of socialism or being a socialist country. And therefore Hitler wasn't a Fascist - but a fucking Nazi.

Fascists in the German sense, not according to the Italian model. Fascism protects capitalism, by marrying private industry with the state. The right-wing fascist state keeps the proletariat or workers in line, providing them with some benefits, that are socialistic in nature, in order to avoid revolutionary forces from toppling the capitalist ruling class or bourgeoise. Right-wing authoritarianism, with secret police, to identify leftist agitators and revolutionaries, eliminating them. That's the fascist SOP.

You're correct, Nazi Germany wasn't really socialist, much less Marxist.

 

[Kruska]

Now that you’re going insult mode you can go screw yourself.

Actually people who obviously don't know what they talk about and continuously place false statements - can go and screw themselves.
Show me a source that defines SOCIALISM or the SOCIALIST principles - then read it up for yourself, again and again.

If you still don't get it - then you are an ignorant person that simply loves to troll around.

 

[tahuyaman]

Actually people who obviously don't know what they talk about and continuously place false statements - can go and screw themselves.
Show me a source that defines SOCIALISM or the SOCIALIST principles - then read it up for yourself, again and again.

If you still don't get it - then you are an ignorant person that simply loves to troll around.

I was trying to be nice and educate you and you fucked it up. You’re as big a dip-shit here as anyone.

 

[Red Front]

Jesus - can't you read or understand a simple definition of a political system?
Socialism does not allow for a dictatorship - since it is supposed to be Communism but under a democratic system.

Socialism is the early revolutionary process towards communism, a stateless society, without socioeconomic classes or the need for money. In communism, the state withers away. Modern communism is impossible, without very advanced technology. It can only exist when there is extreme abundance.

 

[Kruska]

Fascists in the German sense, not according to the Italian model. Fascism protects capitalism, by marrying private industry with the state. The right-wing fascist state keeps the proletariat or workers in line, providing them with some benefits, that are socialistic in nature, in order to avoid revolutionary forces from toppling the capitalist ruling class or bourgeoise. Right-wing authoritarianism, with secret police, to identify leftist agitators and revolutionaries, eliminating them. That's the fascist SOP.

You're correct, Nazi Germany wasn't really socialist, much less Marxist.

Thanks - and the only two Fascist countries that existed - where Italy and Spain (whereby the latter totally controlled banking and the economy at times).

 

[Kruska]

I was trying to be nice and educate you and you fucked it up. You’re as big a dip-shit here as anyone.

Keep on trolling with yourself.

 

[Kruska]

Socialism is the early revolutionary process towards communism, a stateless society, without socioeconomic classes or the need for money. In communism, the state withers away. Modern communism is impossible, without very advanced technology. It can only exist when there is extreme abundance.

Right, that is why I wouldn't be surprised if Norway heads into that system - however due to environmental policies - their $$$ are dwindling.

 

[tahuyaman]

Keep on trolling with yourself.

I can’t help it if you’re a moron who is unable to learn. I don’t know how old you are, but I’m guessing it’s too late for you.

 

[Red Front]

Right, that is why I wouldn't be surprised if Norway heads into that system - however due to environmental policies - their $$$ are dwindling.

These right-wingers think socialism and communism are over and done with lol. What they fail to grasp is that it takes time for an economic system to replace another, it doesn't happen overnight. The material conditions have to be in place for it to happen. The European mercantile class didn't become the powerful, capitalist industrialists until the technology was available and conditions were ripe for capitalism to replace feudalism and the royal aristocracy.

The 20th century saw the final birth pains of socialism, and the 21st century, thanks to advanced automation and AI will give birth to the actual socialist age, that will replace capitalism. The 21st century is going to give birth to socialism. These right-wingers are completely clueless to this fact, thinking "socialism is dead" lol.

 

[Thinker101]

If Canada was truly socialist, it would nationalize all of its banks and reduce household debts gradually while it allocates funds to infrastructural projects, creating more jobs and increasing production. Eventually, all household debt would be eliminated and people would be debt free. Here in the US, we would apply the same policies.

Sure, then they could take anything you may have in savings, possibly sell off your car and pay your debt....sounds like a wonderful idea.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

You’re a mouthy little punk who can’t find his own ass with both hands.

I have to disagree.

He finds his ass with both hands several times a night.

 

[Red Front]

Sure, then they could take anything you may have in savings, possibly sell off your car and pay your dept....sounds like a wonderful idea.

What's stopping the capitalist-run state from doing that now? You're just throwing silly accusations.

 

[tahuyaman]

Socialism is the early revolutionary process towards communism, a stateless society, without socioeconomic classes or the need for money. In communism, the state withers away. Modern communism is impossible, without very advanced technology. It can only exist when there is extreme abundance.

You are speaking of socialism and communism in the ideal sense. Communism as it was in the Soviet Union is an all powerful centralized government. Stalinism style communism also requires totalitarianism.

 

[tahuyaman]

These right-wingers think socialism and communism are over and done with lol. What they fail to grasp is that it takes time for an economic system to replace another, it doesn't happen overnight. The material conditions have to be in place for it to happen. The European mercantile class didn't become the powerful, capitalist industrialists until the technology was available and conditions were ripe for capitalism to replace feudalism and the royal aristocracy.

The 20th century saw the final birth pains of socialism, and the 21st century, thanks to advanced automation and AI will give birth to the actual socialist age, that will replace capitalism. The 21st century is going to give birth to socialism. These right-wingers are completely clueless to this fact, thinking "socialism is dead" lol.

Communism and full socialism have failed and are failing every time they are tried. That certainly doesn’t stop people from attempting it.

 

[Red Front]

You are speaking of socialism and communism in the ideal sense. Communism as it was in the Soviet Union is an all powerful centralized government. Stalinism style communism also requires totalitarianism.

You're conflating the USSR with the Western, more democratic socialism of the 21st century. The Russian Soviet model was highly centralized due to being in a state of war for practically all of its existence. It was invaded in 1918 by the United States and 14 other countries. It had to fight a nasty war against the Russian capitalist ruling class and then it was invaded by 8 million Nazis, resulting in the death of 28 million Soviet citizens (the US lost 460,000 in WW2). Most of the infrastructure in Western Russia built during Stalin's "five-year" plans in the 1930s, was decimated. The Soviets had to pick themselves up by their bootstraps and rebuild the USSR, without the assistance of a "Marshal Plan". Despite that, they were a superpower.

The quickest way to industrialize a nation is through socialism. It will turn an agrarian, under-industrialized, backwater country, into an industrial juggernaut in less than 20 years. A world power. It took one war after another before the Soviets were defeated. Capitalist Republicans were defeated many times by the European monarchists until the conditions permitted them to replace the kings and feudal lords. The same will also occur with socialism, replacing capitalism.

 

[Red Front]

Communism and full socialism have failed and are failing every time they are tried. That certainly doesn’t stop people from attempting it.

Socialism is succeeding now and in the future will become necessary.

 

[Thinker101]