For G.T.: Support for Log Cabin Republicans and Reforms to GOP Platform

[Impenitent]

Its clear that emily is not psychologically well. Think its best to leave her be at this point impenitent.

No, there is a wonderful mind and a good heart that are just a little misdirected. Perhaps she will wake up one morning, spiritually healed.

 

[emilynghiem]

Its clear that emily is not psychologically well. Think its best to leave her be at this point impenitent.

Another tactic
similar to those who insist that homosexuality is a mental disorder?

If you can't understand something or someone, you chalk it off as mental problems?

G.T. if you haven't done the research on Spiritual Healing
so that you think I am the one who is delusional,
then your thinking would totally change when you find out it is real.
And totally opposite from the fraudulent "faith healing" I am NOT talking about.

Same with your inability to understand how prolife and prochoice can go hand in hand.

Why are you saying the problem is with my mental state?

What if YOU are the one who changes your mind, G.T.

How is that fair for you to blame me because *you don't know* that
spiritual healing is real, homosexual orientation has been changed for some people,
and that prochoice and prolife do not need to be in conflict.

When is YOUR lack of knowledge or understanding
an excuse to blame my mental capacity?

I bet you G.T. that I can refer to resources and examples that will
* change your mind about Spiritual Healing
* change your mind about SOME homosexual conditions being changeable
* change your mind about prochoice and prolife not being in conflict

After we resolve these issues where you and I have DIFFERENT information and experiences,
then maybe you can assess my mental capacity.

Blaming me for your lack of understanding and misperceptions is grossly unfair.
Sorry G.T. but you reminds me of people who assume all homosexuality is a disorder and transgender is a mental illness. Just because they don't understand how this can be so!

Are you sure you are not just saying this, to 'step into the shoes' of the bigots you oppose so much? They are the ones I am used to hearing these arguments from, calling people mentally ill because they "disagree."!!!

 

[G.T.]

No, emily. Not a tactic.

I truly, swear on my life, think you have some sort of mental deficiency.

 

[emilynghiem]

No, emily. Not a tactic.

I truly, swear on my life, think you have some sort of mental deficiency.

And you also thought Spiritual Healing was fake!

freespiritualhealing Resources for Healing and Forgiveness Therapy
Here are the references to valid programs and resources that I recommend for medical research
into Spiritual Healing that is real, natural, and demonstratable as consistent with laws of science and medicine.
This is NOT the same as whatever 'fraudulent faith healing' you thought I was referring to.

G.T. if you can understand there is a whole realm of outreach
that is beyond what you think is even valid right now, then you
may be able to see that the wall blocking you from understanding where I am coming from
is due to this misperception and suppression of a whole world of knowledge and experiences
you have been cut off from. And likewise, this same wall is why there are "bigots" who
don't understand that some people go through homosexual relations as part of their spiritual path in life.
They THINK it is "sickness" and just "mental disorder" but don't get that it is a Spiritual process
and part of someone's life experiences. They don't get it or see it as REAL or valid, much less natural.
So you remind me of those people who just reject what they can't imagine or understand,
and assume "the other person has a mental delusion because THAT can't be REAL or right."

 

[emilynghiem]

Its clear that emily is not psychologically well. Think its best to leave her be at this point impenitent.

No, there is a wonderful mind and a good heart that are just a little misdirected. Perhaps she will wake up one morning, spiritually healed.

Hi Impenitent at this point in the recovery process,
the healing is MUTUAL and is about healing RELATIONSHIPS

if you notice, you and G.T. are passing onesided judgments against me,
with personal comments you are both projecting onto me.

When I reply to you, I am not attacking or questioning your "mental state"
but talking about the PROCESS and saying the differences are coming from THAT.

So I am not projecting negative judgment onto you, but proceeding to address our differences anyway
and figure out how to resolve them.

But you and G.T. are emotionally projecting some of your past misgivings and issues with "other people"
(including bigots or rightwing opponents) onto ME.

So that shows some of these past issues need HEALING or else you and G.T. project them onto ME.

This process is about healing those injuries and injustice
because people in the past DIDN'T seek to resolve differences,
and just caused insult which you are now returning and assessing as if I am responsible for the same.

This is past projection onto me by association, but I don't support that type of bigotry you fear I am enabling.

Impenitent there is healing going on, but it is mutual process.
Right now it seems it is focused on resolving past issues with you and G.T.

I hope this "healing dialogue" helps clear out all that old ill will built up in the system,
and gets the negative past out of the way,
so that bad energy and emotionally charged perception
no longer blocks conversations and sharing between us!

May we all emerge from this process with even greater understanding of the bigger picture and process!

 

[emilynghiem]

BTW here are more examples (similar to how you set up prochoice
and prolife to be opposites in conflict instead of complements that work together)
of how the same two labels can either be defined as opposites, or seen as harmonizing:
A. atheist vs. theist

If you define these technically, either people believe or don't believe in a personified God
so these are "opposites" -- there is no "reconciling" them

As complements, if you define the two camps as people who
think in secular terms and people who think and communicate in religious terms,
these are complementary LANGUAGES. They don't have to set up to
make one right and another wrong. They can both be two different ways
of framing and communicating concepts and principles in the world.

B. positive and negative numbers
again these are exact opposites of each other

But you can see them as covering the entire range of values, where both are needed.
these do not need to be set in conflict with each other, but can be used together.

C. views of church before state, or state before church
secular left = people who use the state as the default way to serve all people
and treat the church as secondary under it but not allowed to dictate state policy
religious right = people who use the church as the default way to serve all people
and treat the govt as supporting the church but not allowed to regulate church policy

Again these don't have to be opposites in conflict,
but can be natural complements where both check each other!

No, emily. Not a tactic.

I truly, swear on my life, think you have some sort of mental deficiency.

G.T. I think the conflicts are from setting things up to be contradictory
when I have set those same things up to be complementary.

A. for the spiritual healing issue.
I think you are referring to Fraudulent faith healing which is dangerous and denies science and medicine
so it puts people at risk and exploits people with malpractice
What I was referring to is natural healing, following the scientific method, and working with medical resources.

So if you think that I was defending the false type of practice,
of course, that looks crazy. But that isn't what I was referring to..

B. for the prochoice prolife issue, if you FRAME this as
only being either for abortion as legal or abortion as illegal, then you have
set up these camps to be polar opposites.

But that's not how I recommend approaching them.

This is like, Instead of pitting up Buddhist vs. Christians
as Eastern rejection of Jesus and Western proselytizing about Jesus
there are ways to teach Buddhism and Christianity as COMPLEMENTS NOT OPPOSITES
like Eastern vs. Western religious culture.

You COULD set these up to be opposites.

But that's not the only way to approach them,
and I have found more effective ways to embrace both at the same time.

G.T. I think if you knew what I meant, then you would see this is valid
and fits together with what you already know.

Because I am befuddling the points to you, then it makes no sense to you
what I could possibly be referring to, so it seems crazy.

If I can explain it using your framework you can see that it applies
to what you already understand, and merely ADDS more knowledge
and experiences from different people and directions that you didn't know was going on.

You remind me of a math problem in my Geometry class.
There were two intersecting lines, forming an X,
and the question was could a line be perpendicular to both these lines?

Clearly the textbook meant to point out NO, once a line is perpendicular
to one, it cannot be perpendicular to the other.

But I took the problem and placed it in a different context.
By considering 3D space, a line could be drawn through the
center of the X formed by the other two lines. And be
perpendicular to both of them at the same time.

That's not what the book meant. It was assumed that
the question was referring to just the flat 2D plane in the drawing.

But there was nothing in the question that "didn't exclude"
drawing a line piercing the plane in 3D space.

And it happened that such a line satisfied that condition
of being perpendicular to both of the intersecting lines.

So you remind me of the people saying NO it isn't possible,
but if you don't limit yourself to just the flat dimension
you can find solutions that work. They just require
thinking outside the usual restrictions that people self-impose.

Who said we have to stay limited to those restrictions?

 

[G.T.]

See, youre out of your damn mind for writing all that and also for thinking I care anymore to read it.

 

[Impenitent]

I don't know anyone who doesn't agree on defending their First Amendment Rights!

..leftards do it only when it fits THEIR agenda.

ALL people use it to fit their agenda.

The difference is when people reshape their agenda
to include their interests and others equally.

Still, that counts as someone's agenda or beliefs.

Thanks defcon4

What I DO find is that more of the Conservatives, Christians and Constitutionalists
recognize the liberal left as having their own political BELIEFS or religion, even secular,
but the liberals are so biased in their ways, they can't see that isn't the default, but a subset.

They can't step outside of their beliefs to look at others' equally as beliefs.
I have better success working with Constitutionalists who can balance the different beliefs and see the "bigger picture"
Most of these tend to be people coming from the Conservative side who understand the Natural Law approach.

When I bring up Natural Laws with my liberal friends, I often get a bunch of blank stares at first.
But hey, if I can explain the relation between Natural Laws and the Constitution to
an atheist Anarchist, and we can agree on the basic principles inherent, then anyone can understand.
And I have been able to explain Constitutional laws to Anarchists who are more open minded than
some of the politicized liberals who are too stuck in their own thinking to see their own biases that exclude others.

They are so busy defending themselves against oppression they CAN see,
they don't see where they commit the same impositions coming from THEIR side of the equation!

This "denial and projection" is part of the defense mechanism while recovering from political abuse.
It's part of the victim mentality that takes time to heal and let go, before people can work with
everyone else equally, especially the groups most opposed they are still reacting to.

This is the result of past injury, and it takes time to work through the corrections in order to heal
and rebuild working relations where these have been destroyed by "divide and conquer" bullying tactics for political leverage.

You don't see yourself aligning with the right, but it plain for everyone else to see.

1. Thank you for your work in Freedmen's
Town. But how about extending that to Ferguson?

Instead of heaping more hopelessness and acrimony on them, how about some thoughts on the root cause on the riots - a municipality that viewed its citizens as only a profit center, from which it could bleed infinite, enormous fines?

2. "I applaud the prosecuting attorneys for meting out the most severe punishment to those such as Harlem Lewis III, found guilty of deliberately killing..."

Against capital punishment? I think not.

3. Want to have a cheap, disenfranchised, non-citizen, non-voting workforce? A modern-day chain gang, of sorts? Sometimes you describe it as voluntary - sometimes mandatory - but I can't see how you describe it as constitutional.

4. "Now THIS is on the right track! YES someone SAID IT!"

II. Separation of Church and State: The Veterans’ Party of America recognizes that there is no such statement or provision within the Constitution of the United States. We are fully aware that the statement was only brought forth in a letter written by Thomas Jefferson, in which he made e reference to, “A wall of separation between church and state....

Here you are agreeing with the Religious Right - those who have stripped Thomas Jefferson from our textbooks! Think back - haven't your reserved some particularly harsh criticism for TJ?

And I haven't really looked - but don't you suppose I could find many other examples of you supporting right-wing extremism , while belittling the efforts of the left?

Where you stand, and who you stand with, is only unclear to you.

 

[emilynghiem]

Hi Impenitent
1.

You don't see yourself aligning with the right, but it plain for everyone else to see.

1a. The Constitution and Govt are supposed to represent ALL the public.
Not just your party. So of course as a Constitutionalist I am going to include
and protect the beliefs of both right, left, independent, etc. Where these views
disagree I urge parties to keep their agenda to their own networks and outside govt.

Since I treat left and right the same on this issue of "separation of church and state"
including political/religious beliefs separated from Govt,
then I am NOT advocating for left or right over the other.

I'm saying where beliefs don't agree, don't push either one through Govt
but stick to where everyone AGREES what should be public policy.
Keep the private beliefs private.

1b. What is wrong with where the right agrees with the left, and aligning with BOTH?

Such as agreeing that murder is wrong.
Both the far far right religious Christians believe in that using the Bible
and the secular left supports civil and criminal laws against homicide and wrongful death.

There are lots of places where everyone agrees.
Why not stick with that?

Again the Code of Ethics for Govt Service posted at ethics-commission.net
was passed UNANIMOUSLY by Congress in 1980 and is a well-written set of standards.

It is possible to form a consensus, and those laws can turn
out to be better written when all the conflicts are resolved in advance where
everyone agrees on the final wording and means of implementation and funding.

2.

Thank you for your work in Freedmen's
Town. But how about extending that to Ferguson?

Please see the thread with me and Anonymous1977 discussing FT

A. There is a letter to Jay Vinekar, business graduate of Rice U,
who cofounded the SAE chapter that got in trouble in Oklahoma and was banned.

He supports the idea of setting up similar Campus Plans developed in FT
to other distressed neighborhoods, by pairing them up with Fraternity Chapters as Mentorship
and Partnership projects.

So I have already been networking with other activists to connect
with each site in every city and state that needs to be reorganized
as satellite Campuses and connect these nationally. With the goal
of fulfilling Obama's Executive Order on Excellence.in African American Education

B. Also mentioned in that thread is Mr. LA Davis of Black Towns Radio who is
networking all the historic Black towns nationally by internet radio.

I am already organizing activists with KPFT public radio and FT to form an
Umbrella of Black Towns set up as Campuses through a national radio network
by pulling these resources together, and creating satellite centers in each district,
including a proposal for a legal dept and civics education.

My next presentation is Saturday with a history teacher who is pushing to address
the rise in crimes and murders in Black communities. he likes the idea of the civics
education and asked me to present on Saturday.

So Impenitent I have been reaching out and using the FT campus model to
organize other activists and organizations together using this system.

My question to you is
WHY DO YOU ASSUME I AM NOT WORKING WITH THE PROGRESSIVE LIBERAL COMMUNITY

WHERE ARE ALL THE BLACK POWER ACTIVISTS AND FELLOW DEMOCRATS
WHEN IT COMES TO EMPOWERING THE BLACK AND MINORITY COMMUNITIES?

When I reached out to Anonymous1977 who claimed to be about Black Power,
this person ALSO ATTACKED ME.

Why are you into ATTACKING me instead of supporting solutions?

You can look at the thread and see the summaries and letters of the Campus plan
I even sent to Ted Cruz office as a proposal to clean up restitution owed for political abuses
and pay back taxpayers (not only locally with the Democratic corruption that destroyed FT,
but also using the Campus Plan to develop solutions to immigration, sweatshop labor, and drug/human trafficking)

And those are just the letters I wrote recently.

This FT project started way before me, and I started volunteering in 1995
and have been lobbying to restore the Campus Plans and replicate them as the solution to ending
govt abuse and corruption by localizing democratic representation and participation with the communities served.

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN Impenitent
You act like you already know what I am all about
based on your fear of rightwing whatever.

I'm not afraid to work with ALL groups
anarchist to fundamental Christian,
leftwing socialist Democrats, Progressive Greens,
Libertarians, Conservatives and Constitutionalists,
even the Muslim, Tea Party, and Klan/separatists
who can work on preserving their own history and that's fine, too!

Maybe it's from my experience working with the Historical Commission
with Harris County that is culturally and politically diverse. All that is
part of Texas history, and so working with the preservationists,
there is respect for people's historical and cultural background.

I don't have this aversion to including people of all religious and political backgrounds.

The Govt is supposed to protect all interests equally, not favor one party over another.
That's against the Constitution and also the Code of Ethics about not putting
loyalty to party or persons over enforcing the Constitution which is the central law.

I'm sorry you see the Constitution as only enforced by the rightwing.

I think it is because the same way Christians enforce the Scriptures directly themselves
by invoking the Spirit of the Law, the Christians and the Conservatives tend to do this
with the Natural Laws in the Constitution -- invoke them directly by claiming equal authority
where people are the government, The Government is supposed to represent us!

There is not supposed to be a dependence on Party or any other third Middle man
that corrupts the representation between people and govt.

But the legal system has been monopolized by private interests.
The media and party system is monopolized by monied interests.

So you are used to going through third parties to get any say in Govt.

You are not used to this idea of people claiming authority to govern directly under the laws
like military and police take direct oaths to enforce the Constitution.

People can do that also.

NOT just 2nd Amendment gun rights advocates who believe in enforcing the Constitution directly.

Impenitent where are the other Democrats who believe in enforcing the laws directly?

Is there such a rejection of the rightwing who do this, that everyone else just hides
behind the Democrats and Liberal Media and expects that to represent them instead of direct action?

When I bring this up at the KPFT meetings, I find certain people who ARE ready to
take back control, property, programs etc. and QUIT depending on politicians and parties to monopolize the resources
and authority to make decisions.

Maybe the Liberals aren't used to doing this on their own, but are used to rallying to elect politicians and stop there!

Wherever this is coming from, Impenitent, where only the rightwing invokes direct authority to govern under the laws
IT IS MAKING PEOPLE UNEQUAL.

So the solution is to do similar to what Christians do when sharing the knowledge and authority of the law
for all people to invoke directly. And share the knowledge and authority under Constitutional laws
with ALL people so EVERYONE can invoke equal voice to make decisions in govt, not just the rightwing.

You are very funny that you think you can EXCLUDE the beliefs
interests and representation of the rightwing and have Equal Protection of the Laws.

Equal Inclusion means ALL beliefs and interests need to be represented and not left out.

You see this as "aligning with the right" but I equally "align" with ALL groups that
are seeking to represent and defend their interests.

By setting up civics education centers in each district, where people can be trained
in civil laws, redressing grievances by democratic due process, and have access to legal
assistance and mediation, then we can all have equal protection of the laws instead of
the MONOPOLY going on.

I've been pushing for this since I first saw the Campus Plans coming out of the
historic district I believed would be used as a national model.

My number one fight is ending the political aversion, division and outright PHOBIA
between left and right that has been wasting resources and wiping out communities
due to lack of investment in building sustainable infrastructure and longterm support.

I keep running into Democrats who do nothing but fight against the right.
Well how can you be against war, and yet waste billions of dollars fighting campaigns left and right.
Where is the investment directly in solutions, especially where Democrats and Liberals
push for that approach to end war -- by investing in infrastructure and ending oppression and poverty
instead of fueling more wars!

Why isn't this practiced at HOME?

You ask ME and accuse ME of not supporting the Liberals and Democrats.
What do you think the Campus plans came from that the
DEMOCRAT leaders censored, by eviction and demolition,
and gave the funding to wealthy developers while denying and
shutting down the local nonprofit community programs and volunteers,
that I had to fund myself when govt was abused politically to destroy their programs.

I think you are yelling at the wrong person, Impenitent.

THE SAME QUESTIONS AND ACCUSATIONS YOU DIRECT AT ME,
I'VE BEEN ASKING WHERE ARE THE DEMOCRAT LEADERS WHO
SUPPORT BLACK OWNERSHIP. WHY IS THERE NOTHING BUT
RALLYING TO TAKE MILLIONS FROM POOR NEIGHBORHOODS TO ELECT MORE POLITICIANS
AND NOT SPEND A DIME INVESTING IN REBUILDING THESE DISTRICTS AND STABILIZING
THE COMMUNITY PROGRAMS?

Impenitent, the Democrats and especially Black Democats have long been
accused of committing political genocide against their own people.

When I first started supporting the campus plans to reform public housing,
I thought Democrats would jump at the chance to change the image of "poverty pimping"

Instead, they ROLLED OVER. and were afraid to stand up for these plans.
Mayor after Mayor gave away land and grants to developers to DESTROY the district and plans,
out of fear that was the only way to stay in office.

So this fear of depending on politics to "fight against the right"
is destroying the very means of not having to fight if we set up independent govt
that doesn't keep fueling this dependence on political parties that is wasting millions.

We need that money to invest in rebuilding community programs that
will train people directly how to manage independently, both financially legally and politically.

I think you are directing this accusations at me
when you should be demanding this of the Democrats who aren't helping
but are fueling more war at the expense of local resources and programs being
shut down due to "lack of resources"

I've poured most of my salary into microlending to support the groups
that can change this trend. Why are you questioning me and not the Democrats who are doing nothing?

Isn't that ironic to attack the one person pushing plans
and letting the other Democrats keep funding campaigns that do NOTHING to change the structure?

Why this misdirected angst? Because of the rightwing?
where is this coming from?

 

[emilynghiem]

Dear Impenitent
I hate to be rude or sound ungrateful since you have been supportive of me pursuing these ideas.

But frankly I find it INSULTING that I have sacrificed years of my life,
working two jobs to fund the nonprofit groups in two Black districts
(destroyed by Democrat corruption and politics)
only to be questioned by you as "supporting the rightwing"

Why are questioning me and not yourself?
Not Sheila Jackson Lee or Rev. Jackson or Al Sharpton
or Democrats with millions to invest that have been
paying for corporate level campaigns while the community
programs trying to protect and democratize the grassroots level
have no money and have depending on bailouts from
me working two jobs to finance them until they can get formal funding
on a sustainable basis (through the campus development plans).

I sent a letter to Jay Vinekar of SAE and he IMMEDIATELY
understood the value and wanted to support these projects in poor districts
that the University chapters could partner with nationwide, starting with Houston and Oklahoma.

He did NOT jump on me and start questioning if I support rightwing.

But you and Anonymous1977 attack ME instead of supporting solutions.

WHY?

Is this your way of justifying NOT helping?

If you and Anonymous1977 and G.T. can "discredit" me somehow
then you are OFF THE HOOK and don't have to support these plans as I have been doing.

You can just sit back, blame the rightwing, and continue to avoid getting involved in
longterm solutions?

Is that why it is easier to ATTACK than to pick through the ideas and actually
get involved in supporting how to apply the Campus Plans to immigration issues on the border,
or apply them to Ferguson or Baltimore.

The guys at the Radio station are ready to jump on this.

They don't attack me as being rightwing.

If anything they say my ideas are so far ahead, I'm presenting them too fast and they can't follow all the steps.
they want to break it down one step at a time.

But they are not attacking me as being rightwing.

They are ASKING help to save the public radio networks
and I am saying this campus plan and capital drive to buy out
school districts and set up satellite centers for media and civics education
can change the whole paradigm, from victim and dependence mentality,
to EQUAL OWNERSHIP and EMPOWERMENT.

Does this scare you to take back responsibility for govt?

Does it sound like something only the rightwing talk about
so it doesn't sound like the left can pull it off?

Why is it easier for you to criticize me and make false accusation or assumptions
to try to cut me down, discredit me, instead of taking on shared responsibility
for solutions to poverty and political disparity?

Is it a MALE thing that you and G.T. and other men need to establish
territory, so any INVASIVE idea you have to attack like a foreign body invading your space?

Is it a threat to how you define your ground in relation to what you consider
"other people's territory"

And why would you give up unequal authority and decision making to the rightwing
and then demonize them for exerting unequal authority. Why set it up that way?
Why not empower the leftwing and grassroots movements and groups to take
back control of local communities by replicating the campus plans from FT?

Are you embarrassed that these plans were destroyed by Democrats?
Is that where the denial is coming from?

How are we supposed to fix this if the one person networking
to realize those Campus Plans is being attacked by
YOU
Anonymous1977
G.T.

Why aren't you supporting these plans?
Why are you attacking me as supporting rightwing
instead of supporting plans to empower and reclaim ownership
for the leftwing groups that have been backstabbed and censored by their own?

Even the KPFT management has backstabbed its own community
and we are address that, too. The other activists I am working with
can use this campaign to replicate the campus plans to save public radio also
by creating sustainable support for the radio education and outreach at the same time.

Why all this self-sabotage?

Can you tell me how helping the leftwing public radio station
to launch a campaign in conjunction with the campus plans as a national model
is "aligning with the rightwing" unequally with "aligning with the leftwing"

Why do you only see one and not the other?
Is this your own fear of the rightwing you are projecting onto me?

Where is this coming from?

 

[emilynghiem]

See, youre out of your damn mind for writing all that and also for thinking I care anymore to read it.

So you are saying that not bothering to understand my ideas
justifies saying I have a mental issue.

It is okay to take your limitations on what you can handle
and say it's MY problem?

Is this your defense mechanism?
If so, who is weaker mentally emotionally or logically.

If you are the one who can't handle the truth of what
it takes to fix the problems. How is that my problem and not yours, G.T.?

 

[G.T.]

See, youre out of your damn mind for writing all that and also for thinking I care anymore to read it.

So you are saying that not bothering to understand my ideas
justifies saying I have a mental issue.

It is okay to take your limitations on what you can handle
and say it's MY problem?

Is this your defense mechanism?
If so, who is weaker mentally emotionally or logically.

If you are the one who can't handle the truth of what
it takes to fix the problems. How is that my problem and not yours, G.T.?

No i gave you a fair read plenty of time, your ideas are just so half cocked and illogical, coupled with how REALLY REALLY BAD you are at being concise and reader friendly - that youve become far too tedious to.have a casual meaningless internet discussion with.

So.instead of wasting so much time deconstructing you line by line and pointing to each reason you're being illogical and naive - just being blunt and to the point is a far better approach in this particular case.

Your ideas about my motives I could give a **** about. i know me, you dont change that by your opinion of why i said x,y,z.

 

[emilynghiem]

See, youre out of your damn mind for writing all that and also for thinking I care anymore to read it.

So you are saying that not bothering to understand my ideas
justifies saying I have a mental issue.

It is okay to take your limitations on what you can handle
and say it's MY problem?

Is this your defense mechanism?
If so, who is weaker mentally emotionally or logically.

If you are the one who can't handle the truth of what
it takes to fix the problems. How is that my problem and not yours, G.T.?

No i gave you a fair read plenty of time, your ideas are just so half cocked and illogical, coupled with how REALLY REALLY BAD you are at being concise and reader friendly - that youve become far too tedious to.have a casual meaningless internet discussion with.

So.instead of wasting so much time deconstructing you line by line and pointing to each reason you're being illogical and naive - just being blunt and to the point is a far better approach in this particular case.

Your ideas about my motives I could give a **** about. i know me, you dont change that by your opinion of why i said x,y,z.

Dear G.T.
Consider the circumstance and context!

I am talking about accounting for millions of damage to a national historic site,
since 1866 with slavery, and applying the civil rights corrections program
to the PRESENT and to the future of our prisons and immigration system.

THIS IS VERY COMPREHENSIVE REFORM.

On the level of revising a system similar to the Federal Reserve on a national scale.

This is MASSIVE change G.T.

Sorry but changing both the racial perceptions of ownship, political and financial
OWNERSHIP of property and representation in Govt
is NOT going to fit into some small paragraph!

You are like criticizing why the Constitution has 3 different sections
because the judicial, legislative and executive have different roles,
and there are 26 Amendments.

Plus State laws and local ordinances for county and city.

That's a lot, G.T.

It's not all going to fit in 45 words like the First Amendment.

I am breaking these plans down where I can even work
with fellow zero budget activists in public radio to get this started.

You are complaining cuz you can't comprehend the enormity
of the solution being proposed here.

How is that my problem, G.T.

I've taken 20 years of compiling solutions from many different
sources, and gotten them to fit on one or two websites.

Other people I am working with
GET that once you take back prisons and public schools,
then the whole relationship with Govt changes with it.
People OWN their own districts and aren't victims anymore.

If you want to stay in victim mentality, that is your problem.

I have compiled the map to get out of this slave-master relationship
that has been going on in my neighborhood since its inceptions.

the same campus plans to break that cycle of abuse and oppression
can change the rest of how govt operates as well.

Sorry you can't see this YET G.T.
It hurts your brain to try to cram all these new ideas
into your own thinking and it doesn't quite fit.

That is YOUR problem for being so closeminded,
resistant to change, and projecting the blame externally.

If you can't understand these solutions, don't blame me.
I've been working to explain them to other people who
have taken the time to understand them.

It can take years to see how they fit together with what's already happening.

The activists at KPFT are ready to try pushing this.
Including one candidate for City Council who likes the idea
of taking back each district for localized govt.

Sorry you aren't ready for this level of reform,
and you have to blame ME for why YOU can't comprehend
how this is necessary and how the changes can take place smoothly.

You and Impenitent aren't used to working with both left and right activists
and programs coming from the different camps. So it hurts your head to
think about. I've been working on this for years, so how is it my fault
that you are still stuck in division between left and right and can't see past that?

Sorry G.T. there is plenty of blame being projected left and right.

I am going for solutions with people who are ready.
Maybe Trump is more ready to change things than you are.

You can say he is imbalanced and says things without thinking either.
But if he is ready to fund a solution, I am going to work with people
on LEFT and RIGHT who are ready.

Naysayers like you who want to sit back and criticize
what are you contributing to change the political abuses going on?

So easy to criticize. You try writing up these solutions
and see how many pages it takes YOU to spell out
govt reform from the local district level, to state and national,
and international as well.

How do you expect that to fit in your head if you
are too busy projecting and criticizing in fear?

You remind me of people freaking out over whether the
solar system is heliocentric or geocentric, and aren't
ready to hear Einstein's theory of unified fields and
how waves and particles are just mass moving at different rates.

You are still freaking out that we should be teaching
heliocentric instead of geocentric and attacking the messenger.
Instead of focusing on what science says is consistent
and sustainable truth. Holding on to the current system may not work in the long run

If you aren't ready to let go and work with where the changes
are already needed and happening, how is that my problem if you can deal with this level of change.

Other people like Ted Weisgal of the Greens and KPFT didn't get the whole idea
but sat down with me and had me write it out and try to go through it and edit it.

He didn't jump on me for being "mentally ill or rightwing"
he said if you are going to change the prison complex in Texas
that is a tall order and how can we get there from just a handful of prison activists in radio.

He showed me how to refocus and say it to just the core group
to get this started at the basic level before taking on the whole spiel.

So this does not require attacking anyone.
That must be coming from you, because other people don't do that
who are trying to fix these same problems from the lefwing progressive movements.

They want to know how are we going to take back the Party from political hijackers
and implement REAL sustainable working solutions instead of more politics as usual
that only benefits the monopoly and doesn't solve anything for the working people.

Don't blame me when the solutions are comprehensive.

If you don't like these solutions, then you try it before you criticize me for
how interconnected they are. Sorry but when we only have so much
in existing resources, we have to double the useage to serve multiple purposes
at the same time or we can't afford to educate and operate all the groups to do the work of govt.

Sorry this goes over your head G.T.

From now on if you just want to stick to MUSIC
we can focus on radio outreach and not mess with the details if that gives you a headache!
Someone has got to oversee the engineering and mechanics.

If you just want to play the car RADIO and don't want to know how
the engine works and what makes the car run, I won't tax you with the details.

You and I can just focus on the music and not worry about the rest if it overwhelms you.

Here are the songs I wanted to produce for public radio for fundraising contests
to buy out the districts and set up campuses in each participating community:

http://www.civil-rap.info
music video for Sustainable Campus converting sweatshop labor to workstudy jobs
http www.houstonprogressive.org
http www.houstonprogressive.org
What Does the Law Say
Rules Don t Apply Equal Inclusion Music Video Contest

 

[G.T.]

I didnt read that, either.

Consider the lunacy of typing all that after everyone advising you how tedious you are to converse with.

Seriously.


Seriously.

Seeya

 

[Impenitent]

Dear Impenitent
I hate to be rude or sound ungrateful since you have been supportive of me pursuing these ideas.

But frankly I find it INSULTING that I have sacrificed years of my life,
working two jobs to fund the nonprofit groups in two Black districts
(destroyed by Democrat corruption and politics)
only to be questioned by you as "supporting the rightwing"

Why are questioning me and not yourself?
Not Sheila Jackson Lee or Rev. Jackson or Al Sharpton
or Democrats with millions to invest that have been
paying for corporate level campaigns while the community
programs trying to protect and democratize the grassroots level
have no money and have depending on bailouts from
me working two jobs to finance them until they can get formal funding
on a sustainable basis (through the campus development plans).

I sent a letter to Jay Vinekar of SAE and he IMMEDIATELY
understood the value and wanted to support these projects in poor districts
that the University chapters could partner with nationwide, starting with Houston and Oklahoma.

He did NOT jump on me and start questioning if I support rightwing.

But you and Anonymous1977 attack ME instead of supporting solutions.

WHY?

Is this your way of justifying NOT helping?

If you and Anonymous1977 and G.T. can "discredit" me somehow
then you are OFF THE HOOK and don't have to support these plans as I have been doing.

You can just sit back, blame the rightwing, and continue to avoid getting involved in
longterm solutions?

Is that why it is easier to ATTACK than to pick through the ideas and actually
get involved in supporting how to apply the Campus Plans to immigration issues on the border,
or apply them to Ferguson or Baltimore.

The guys at the Radio station are ready to jump on this.

They don't attack me as being rightwing.

If anything they say my ideas are so far ahead, I'm presenting them too fast and they can't follow all the steps.
they want to break it down one step at a time.

But they are not attacking me as being rightwing.

They are ASKING help to save the public radio networks
and I am saying this campus plan and capital drive to buy out
school districts and set up satellite centers for media and civics education
can change the whole paradigm, from victim and dependence mentality,
to EQUAL OWNERSHIP and EMPOWERMENT.

Does this scare you to take back responsibility for govt?

Does it sound like something only the rightwing talk about
so it doesn't sound like the left can pull it off?

Why is it easier for you to criticize me and make false accusation or assumptions
to try to cut me down, discredit me, instead of taking on shared responsibility
for solutions to poverty and political disparity?

Is it a MALE thing that you and G.T. and other men need to establish
territory, so any INVASIVE idea you have to attack like a foreign body invading your space?

Is it a threat to how you define your ground in relation to what you consider
"other people's territory"

And why would you give up unequal authority and decision making to the rightwing
and then demonize them for exerting unequal authority. Why set it up that way?
Why not empower the leftwing and grassroots movements and groups to take
back control of local communities by replicating the campus plans from FT?

Are you embarrassed that these plans were destroyed by Democrats?
Is that where the denial is coming from?

How are we supposed to fix this if the one person networking
to realize those Campus Plans is being attacked by
YOU
Anonymous1977
G.T.

Why aren't you supporting these plans?
Why are you attacking me as supporting rightwing
instead of supporting plans to empower and reclaim ownership
for the leftwing groups that have been backstabbed and censored by their own?

Even the KPFT management has backstabbed its own community
and we are address that, too. The other activists I am working with
can use this campaign to replicate the campus plans to save public radio also
by creating sustainable support for the radio education and outreach at the same time.

Why all this self-sabotage?

Can you tell me how helping the leftwing public radio station
to launch a campaign in conjunction with the campus plans as a national model
is "aligning with the rightwing" unequally with "aligning with the leftwing"

Why do you only see one and not the other?
Is this your own fear of the rightwing you are projecting onto me?

Where is this coming from?

My playing devils advocate, at your request, no longer seems to be working for us.

I wish you continued success with your good deeds, and always know that I believe you to be a very good person.



---------

 

[emilynghiem]

Dear Impenitent
I hate to be rude or sound ungrateful since you have been supportive of me pursuing these ideas.

But frankly I find it INSULTING that I have sacrificed years of my life,
working two jobs to fund the nonprofit groups in two Black districts
(destroyed by Democrat corruption and politics)
only to be questioned by you as "supporting the rightwing"

Why are questioning me and not yourself?
Not Sheila Jackson Lee or Rev. Jackson or Al Sharpton
or Democrats with millions to invest that have been
paying for corporate level campaigns while the community
programs trying to protect and democratize the grassroots level
have no money and have depending on bailouts from
me working two jobs to finance them until they can get formal funding
on a sustainable basis (through the campus development plans).

I sent a letter to Jay Vinekar of SAE and he IMMEDIATELY
understood the value and wanted to support these projects in poor districts
that the University chapters could partner with nationwide, starting with Houston and Oklahoma.

He did NOT jump on me and start questioning if I support rightwing.

But you and Anonymous1977 attack ME instead of supporting solutions.

WHY?

Is this your way of justifying NOT helping?

If you and Anonymous1977 and G.T. can "discredit" me somehow
then you are OFF THE HOOK and don't have to support these plans as I have been doing.

You can just sit back, blame the rightwing, and continue to avoid getting involved in
longterm solutions?

Is that why it is easier to ATTACK than to pick through the ideas and actually
get involved in supporting how to apply the Campus Plans to immigration issues on the border,
or apply them to Ferguson or Baltimore.

The guys at the Radio station are ready to jump on this.

They don't attack me as being rightwing.

If anything they say my ideas are so far ahead, I'm presenting them too fast and they can't follow all the steps.
they want to break it down one step at a time.

But they are not attacking me as being rightwing.

They are ASKING help to save the public radio networks
and I am saying this campus plan and capital drive to buy out
school districts and set up satellite centers for media and civics education
can change the whole paradigm, from victim and dependence mentality,
to EQUAL OWNERSHIP and EMPOWERMENT.

Does this scare you to take back responsibility for govt?

Does it sound like something only the rightwing talk about
so it doesn't sound like the left can pull it off?

Why is it easier for you to criticize me and make false accusation or assumptions
to try to cut me down, discredit me, instead of taking on shared responsibility
for solutions to poverty and political disparity?

Is it a MALE thing that you and G.T. and other men need to establish
territory, so any INVASIVE idea you have to attack like a foreign body invading your space?

Is it a threat to how you define your ground in relation to what you consider
"other people's territory"

And why would you give up unequal authority and decision making to the rightwing
and then demonize them for exerting unequal authority. Why set it up that way?
Why not empower the leftwing and grassroots movements and groups to take
back control of local communities by replicating the campus plans from FT?

Are you embarrassed that these plans were destroyed by Democrats?
Is that where the denial is coming from?

How are we supposed to fix this if the one person networking
to realize those Campus Plans is being attacked by
YOU
Anonymous1977
G.T.

Why aren't you supporting these plans?
Why are you attacking me as supporting rightwing
instead of supporting plans to empower and reclaim ownership
for the leftwing groups that have been backstabbed and censored by their own?

Even the KPFT management has backstabbed its own community
and we are address that, too. The other activists I am working with
can use this campaign to replicate the campus plans to save public radio also
by creating sustainable support for the radio education and outreach at the same time.

Why all this self-sabotage?

Can you tell me how helping the leftwing public radio station
to launch a campaign in conjunction with the campus plans as a national model
is "aligning with the rightwing" unequally with "aligning with the leftwing"

Why do you only see one and not the other?
Is this your own fear of the rightwing you are projecting onto me?

Where is this coming from?

My playing devils advocate, at your request, no longer seems to be working for us.

I wish you continued success with your good deeds, and always know that I believe you to be a very good person.
---------

Hi Impenitent
Playing critic works if you are addressing the actual issues and what can be improved.
Attacking the person with false accusations is not productive or effective no matter what side you are coming from.

I just talked with Bernadine Williams who has taken over as co-chair of the local Greens
as the first African American woman to do so. I asked her how much of this is male territorial patriarchy.
She said my ideas are all over the place and need to be anchored down, but the opposition
and political pettiness is coming from male ego and has DESTROYED other projects and organizations
with just one Alpha Male bringing down the whole group.

Freedmen's Town has been destroyed from inside by men teaming up against Gladys House
out of jealousy they can never have her standing as a descendant of founding residents.
Since they can't compete with her and her business plans, they try to tear her down to be on their level.

The ministerial counsel and attorney I asked to come in and help said the same thing
about the men in the neighborhood being unprepared and undeveloped for the leadership it takes to pull
the resources and groups together. This pettiness does not work.

I am planning to create a position for Bernadine to do the work to pull this together,
and do a GoFundMe raiser to create a salary for her to be paid to do this properly.

Any nonprofit group would have a paid executive to handle fundraising and development.
I think she is more experienced in organizing teams, and it's just the men who keep cutting down the women
and undermining the work.

So if I base it on the women who are able to work together, maybe this infighting and undercutting will stop.

She is sick of the male dominance attitude that is messing up the politics also.
The entire KPFT radio board and stations have been practically decimated because of "patriarchal politics" of trying to be the Alpha Male and barking louder to chase off the competition for being in charge.

So I will focus the campaign for the houses and campus plans on
the leadership that is willing to do the work and NOT play these political "cut down" games.

I found some men ready to do the work, and they are all into prison reform
and working from nothing. You can't fight over control when you have none,
so maybe it's just the people who have been pushed to the very bottom
and worked their way up who appreciate other people doing that, and don't waste time cutting anyone down.

I'm looking to build across and up, not play these games trying to one-up anyone.
I want everyone to succeed at the role they contribute best.

Sorry this is too much to explain to you.
I will just find the people whose ACTIONS and leading by example
speak volumes and don't require explaining in words!

I will set up fundraisers to pay for the right work to be done.
And use that to explain the model to other people so you can see it in action

Thanks Impenitent
Next time you play DA, you need to have actual points and not just attacking
persons using baseless accusations. There is nothing constructive in that,
but nice try! Thanks, anyway!

 

[emilynghiem]

I didnt read that, either.

Consider the lunacy of typing all that after everyone advising you how tedious you are to converse with.

Seriously.


Seriously.

Seeya

I posted the plans I compiled as concisely as possible:
Earned Amnesty
ethics-commission.net
and the original model campus plans that can apply to reforming
public housing, schools, prisons, VA, health care, border development and military security:
http www.houstonprogressive.org

If you want me to spell these out and explain them,
and then go back and "complain that it's too complicated,"
that is contradictory. Which way do you want it?

If you want it SUMMARIZED then it will need further explanation to explain the points.
If you want the explanation, then it gets lengthy in details to all the implications
impacting the prison, health care, political and immigration systems,
media and education.

Which way do you want it, G.T.?

If you want the summary, I already did that.
See links above.

If it doesn't make sense and you have questions and want more SPECIFICS
well that requires dialogue and discussion to hash out all the points.

For EACH person the questions and conversation are different.
G.T. do you really expect to get anywhere when you are too busy
insulting the other party in the conversation?

You want an explanation of the entire universe,
but you want it to be specific and also be summarized where
it can fit in your attention span. And then insult the other person
if you didn't catch it all, you need more explanation, but don't want to hear it at the same time.

Well good luck with that!

The only people I know who could grasp this upon first hearing
were already doing the outreach work so they recognized it is the same plans.

If you are out to discredit or ignore the solution,
then NO explanation is going to help if your intent is to "reject out of fear"

The counselor who found that the other men in FT were too "fear-based and fear-driven"
to work with might say the same thing about you, that you are too busy reacting
out of your personal fear, limitations or aversions, and aren't ready for the project anyway.

You are too busy rejecting it and not really seeking to understand it anyway
because the amount of change it entails already scares you off and discourages you.

Maybe you don't need to hear this.

I will work with people who see the value in it,
and after you see what they do with these plans,
then you can understand it afterwards, but not in the planning and organizational stages.

Sorry if this isn't for you.
I will catch you later when we get to the
MUSIC and MEDIA part that maybe you will find more FUN!

Not this work part, but maybe the fundraising part
that involves creative media and music video production.

I think you will relate to that part of the plans!

Thanks G.T.
Sorry this gave you a headache!

 

[emilynghiem]

Here G.T. for you:
Panda humano sensualiza em pole dance e emenda com coreografia de rap V DEO
A sexy pole dancing panda.

Makes as much sense as you refusing to read messages
and then expecting to get anything I'm talking about.

Since you really don't care for content, maybe this is more your fare.

Enjoy!

 

[G.T.]

Here G.T. for you:
Panda humano sensualiza em pole dance e emenda com coreografia de rap V DEO
A sexy pole dancing panda.

Makes as much sense as you refusing to read messages
and then expecting to get anything I'm talking about.

Since you really don't care for content, maybe this is more your fare.

Enjoy!

If inask once for you to stop tagging me, its against the rules here to continue to do it

 

[Impenitent]

Dear Impenitent
I hate to be rude or sound ungrateful since you have been supportive of me pursuing these ideas.

But frankly I find it INSULTING that I have sacrificed years of my life,
working two jobs to fund the nonprofit groups in two Black districts
(destroyed by Democrat corruption and politics)
only to be questioned by you as "supporting the rightwing"

Why are questioning me and not yourself?
Not Sheila Jackson Lee or Rev. Jackson or Al Sharpton
or Democrats with millions to invest that have been
paying for corporate level campaigns while the community
programs trying to protect and democratize the grassroots level
have no money and have depending on bailouts from
me working two jobs to finance them until they can get formal funding
on a sustainable basis (through the campus development plans).

I sent a letter to Jay Vinekar of SAE and he IMMEDIATELY
understood the value and wanted to support these projects in poor districts
that the University chapters could partner with nationwide, starting with Houston and Oklahoma.

He did NOT jump on me and start questioning if I support rightwing.

But you and Anonymous1977 attack ME instead of supporting solutions.

WHY?

Is this your way of justifying NOT helping?

If you and Anonymous1977 and G.T. can "discredit" me somehow
then you are OFF THE HOOK and don't have to support these plans as I have been doing.

You can just sit back, blame the rightwing, and continue to avoid getting involved in
longterm solutions?

Is that why it is easier to ATTACK than to pick through the ideas and actually
get involved in supporting how to apply the Campus Plans to immigration issues on the border,
or apply them to Ferguson or Baltimore.

The guys at the Radio station are ready to jump on this.

They don't attack me as being rightwing.

If anything they say my ideas are so far ahead, I'm presenting them too fast and they can't follow all the steps.
they want to break it down one step at a time.

But they are not attacking me as being rightwing.

They are ASKING help to save the public radio networks
and I am saying this campus plan and capital drive to buy out
school districts and set up satellite centers for media and civics education
can change the whole paradigm, from victim and dependence mentality,
to EQUAL OWNERSHIP and EMPOWERMENT.

Does this scare you to take back responsibility for govt?

Does it sound like something only the rightwing talk about
so it doesn't sound like the left can pull it off?

Why is it easier for you to criticize me and make false accusation or assumptions
to try to cut me down, discredit me, instead of taking on shared responsibility
for solutions to poverty and political disparity?

Is it a MALE thing that you and G.T. and other men need to establish
territory, so any INVASIVE idea you have to attack like a foreign body invading your space?

Is it a threat to how you define your ground in relation to what you consider
"other people's territory"

And why would you give up unequal authority and decision making to the rightwing
and then demonize them for exerting unequal authority. Why set it up that way?
Why not empower the leftwing and grassroots movements and groups to take
back control of local communities by replicating the campus plans from FT?

Are you embarrassed that these plans were destroyed by Democrats?
Is that where the denial is coming from?

How are we supposed to fix this if the one person networking
to realize those Campus Plans is being attacked by
YOU
Anonymous1977
G.T.

Why aren't you supporting these plans?
Why are you attacking me as supporting rightwing
instead of supporting plans to empower and reclaim ownership
for the leftwing groups that have been backstabbed and censored by their own?

Even the KPFT management has backstabbed its own community
and we are address that, too. The other activists I am working with
can use this campaign to replicate the campus plans to save public radio also
by creating sustainable support for the radio education and outreach at the same time.

Why all this self-sabotage?

Can you tell me how helping the leftwing public radio station
to launch a campaign in conjunction with the campus plans as a national model
is "aligning with the rightwing" unequally with "aligning with the leftwing"

Why do you only see one and not the other?
Is this your own fear of the rightwing you are projecting onto me?

Where is this coming from?

My playing devils advocate, at your request, no longer seems to be working for us.

I wish you continued success with your good deeds, and always know that I believe you to be a very good person.
---------

Hi Impenitent
Playing critic works if you are addressing the actual issues and what can be improved.
Attacking the person with false accusations is not productive or effective no matter what side you are coming from.

I just talked with Bernadine Williams who has taken over as co-chair of the local Greens
as the first African American woman to do so. I asked her how much of this is male territorial patriarchy.
She said my ideas are all over the place and need to be anchored down, but the opposition
and political pettiness is coming from male ego and has DESTROYED other projects and organizations
with just one Alpha Male bringing down the whole group.

Freedmen's Town has been destroyed from inside by men teaming up against Gladys House
out of jealousy they can never have her standing as a descendant of founding residents.
Since they can't compete with her and her business plans, they try to tear her down to be on their level.

The ministerial counsel and attorney I asked to come in and help said the same thing
about the men in the neighborhood being unprepared and undeveloped for the leadership it takes to pull
the resources and groups together. This pettiness does not work.

I am planning to create a position for Bernadine to do the work to pull this together,
and do a GoFundMe raiser to create a salary for her to be paid to do this properly.

Any nonprofit group would have a paid executive to handle fundraising and development.
I think she is more experienced in organizing teams, and it's just the men who keep cutting down the women
and undermining the work.

So if I base it on the women who are able to work together, maybe this infighting and undercutting will stop.

She is sick of the male dominance attitude that is messing up the politics also.
The entire KPFT radio board and stations have been practically decimated because of "patriarchal politics" of trying to be the Alpha Male and barking louder to chase off the competition for being in charge.

So I will focus the campaign for the houses and campus plans on
the leadership that is willing to do the work and NOT play these political "cut down" games.

I found some men ready to do the work, and they are all into prison reform
and working from nothing. You can't fight over control when you have none,
so maybe it's just the people who have been pushed to the very bottom
and worked their way up who appreciate other people doing that, and don't waste time cutting anyone down.

I'm looking to build across and up, not play these games trying to one-up anyone.
I want everyone to succeed at the role they contribute best.

Sorry this is too much to explain to you.
I will just find the people whose ACTIONS and leading by example
speak volumes and don't require explaining in words!

I will set up fundraisers to pay for the right work to be done.
And use that to explain the model to other people so you can see it in action

Thanks Impenitent
Next time you play DA, you need to have actual points and not just attacking
persons using baseless accusations. There is nothing constructive in that,
but nice try! Thanks, anyway!

I don't see it as a strictly male thing; some of the most strident and uncompromising posters here are female.

I do agree with you about 95% of the time (I'm in awe of you 100%. of the time.)

I just found a few little holes in your thinking - take a few quotes out of context - mix 'em up - disregard those that might contradict - anything can be proven!