For Democrats...is 'it' about what's best for Americans or about what keeps the party relevant?

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Are illegals good for Americans?
Are sanctuary cities good for Americans?
Is free healthcare for illegals good for Americans?
Is 'kinda' supporting those whom riot, loot, murder and commit arson good for Americans?
Is defunding the police good for Americans?
Are higher taxes good for Americans?
Is healthcare that doubles profits for insurance carriers good for Americans?

We know the aforementioned can be good for various fringe factions, the Dem pet projects but by and large do Americans win?
Tell us what policies / ideals Dems are pushing that aren't aimed at 2%'ers, fringe factions.....which are aimed to benefit average Americans?
 

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Are illegals good for Americans?
Are sanctuary cities good for Americans?
Is free healthcare for illegals good for Americans?
Is 'kinda' supporting those whom riot, loot, murder and commit arson good for Americans?
Is defunding the police good for Americans?
Are higher taxes good for Americans?
Is healthcare that doubles profits for insurance carriers good for Americans?

We know the aforementioned can be good for various fringe factions, the Dem pet projects but by and large do Americans win?
Tell us what policies / ideals Dems are pushing that aren't aimed at 2%'ers, fringe factions.....which are aimed to benefit average Americans?
Immigration is a complex topic. You're trying to boil it down into slogans and soundbites. Undocumented workers in this country do jobs that most white people..wouldn't do. And you constantly forget about the corporations that hire and pay these people willingly. You gonna sanction them? Why not offer a path to citizenship for these people and for DACA and focus the INS and BPS on finding the bad apples and shipping them out of the country? I don't want to spend time hassling people who are productive members of the workforce, even if they are here illegally. There would be no need for sanctuary cities if there was sensible immigration policy. Meaning, productive undocumented people wouldn't have the specter of arrest and immediate deportation hanging over their head. Free healthcare for undocumented people was a campaign slogan. To be ignored. Just something to be made into a soundbite for the right wing. Address the issues behind the protest and people wouldn't have to resort to looting and rioting (which I don't condone but I understand why it happens). Defunding the police entirely is not an answer. Sensible people have already come to that conclusion. But police need some sort of guardrails. Otherwise, how will things ever change?

Your last two require larger discussions on policy. We know tax cuts do NOT increase revenues. They stimulate temporary growth which in the end encourage deficit spending and amplify budget deficits.
Healthcare should be accessible and affordable for all Americans without being tied to an employer. No one should have to go broke because they need to pay for healthcare, or operations, or prescriptions.
Like it or not, the federal government can be a help in the form of a high risk pool and/or a public option. We've had a decade to fix/amend the ACA. And y'all know who has stood in the way of that?

Look at us, discussing policy. See, Trump hasn't driven the good out of us completely. :auiqs.jpg:
 

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Are illegals good for Americans?
Are sanctuary cities good for Americans?
Is free healthcare for illegals good for Americans?
Is 'kinda' supporting those whom riot, loot, murder and commit arson good for Americans?
Is defunding the police good for Americans?
Are higher taxes good for Americans?
Is healthcare that doubles profits for insurance carriers good for Americans?

We know the aforementioned can be good for various fringe factions, the Dem pet projects but by and large do Americans win?
Tell us what policies / ideals Dems are pushing that aren't aimed at 2%'ers, fringe factions.....which are aimed to benefit average Americans?
44M Americans have student debt. Biden/Harris are hopefully going to do something about that.
 

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I'm all for stopping the hiring of illegals and forcing those employers to pay americans TRIPLE for the same work. Any patriotic american agrees. Instead of $7 an hour $21 per hour seems right.
 

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Neither.

The current Democrat party has one goal and one goal only -- being in power. Everything else is simply a strategy towards that end.
 

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I'm all for stopping the hiring of illegals and forcing those employers to pay americans TRIPLE for the same work. Any patriotic american agrees. Instead of $7 an hour $21 per hour seems right.
Not feasible. Triple the cost of labor. Triple (and more) the cost of goods delivered. Why do you think these companies hire undocumented workers?
There is no America First with this approach. Who amongst the whites will want to proceed into the hot, open strawberry and bean fields of Southern California
and perform back breaking labor for 10-12 hours?

Answer...not many. :)
 

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Are illegals good for Americans?
Are sanctuary cities good for Americans?
Is free healthcare for illegals good for Americans?
Is 'kinda' supporting those whom riot, loot, murder and commit arson good for Americans?
Is defunding the police good for Americans?
Are higher taxes good for Americans?
Is healthcare that doubles profits for insurance carriers good for Americans?

We know the aforementioned can be good for various fringe factions, the Dem pet projects but by and large do Americans win?
Tell us what policies / ideals Dems are pushing that aren't aimed at 2%'ers, fringe factions.....which are aimed to benefit average Americans?
Immigration is a complex topic. You're trying to boil it down into slogans and soundbites. Undocumented workers in this country do jobs that most white people..wouldn't do. And you constantly forget about the corporations that hire and pay these people willingly. You gonna sanction them? Why not offer a path to citizenship for these people and for DACA and focus the INS and BPS on finding the bad apples and shipping them out of the country? I don't want to spend time hassling people who are productive members of the workforce, even if they are here illegally. There would be no need for sanctuary cities if there was sensible immigration policy. Meaning, productive undocumented people wouldn't have the specter of arrest and immediate deportation hanging over their head. Free healthcare for undocumented people was a campaign slogan. To be ignored. Just something to be made into a soundbite for the right wing. Address the issues behind the protest and people wouldn't have to resort to looting and rioting (which I don't condone but I understand why it happens). Defunding the police entirely is not an answer. Sensible people have already come to that conclusion. But police need some sort of guardrails. Otherwise, how will things ever change?

Your last two require larger discussions on policy. We know tax cuts do NOT increase revenues. They stimulate temporary growth which in the end encourage deficit spending and amplify budget deficits.
Healthcare should be accessible and affordable for all Americans without being tied to an employer. No one should have to go broke because they need to pay for healthcare, or operations, or prescriptions.
Like it or not, the federal government can be a help in the form of a high risk pool and/or a public option. We've had a decade to fix/amend the ACA. And y'all know who has stood in the way of that?

Look at us, discussing policy. See, Trump hasn't driven the good out of us completely. :auiqs.jpg:
Undocumented ?......do mean illegals?.....you dont have to be politically correct....
 

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Are illegals good for Americans?
Are sanctuary cities good for Americans?
Is free healthcare for illegals good for Americans?
Is 'kinda' supporting those whom riot, loot, murder and commit arson good for Americans?
Is defunding the police good for Americans?
Are higher taxes good for Americans?
Is healthcare that doubles profits for insurance carriers good for Americans?

We know the aforementioned can be good for various fringe factions, the Dem pet projects but by and large do Americans win?
Tell us what policies / ideals Dems are pushing that aren't aimed at 2%'ers, fringe factions.....which are aimed to benefit average Americans?





Based on who paid for the fraud, and who has bought the politicians it is clearly about what is best for the chinese communist party.
 

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Are illegals good for Americans?
Are sanctuary cities good for Americans?
Is free healthcare for illegals good for Americans?
Is 'kinda' supporting those whom riot, loot, murder and commit arson good for Americans?
Is defunding the police good for Americans?
Are higher taxes good for Americans?
Is healthcare that doubles profits for insurance carriers good for Americans?

We know the aforementioned can be good for various fringe factions, the Dem pet projects but by and large do Americans win?
Tell us what policies / ideals Dems are pushing that aren't aimed at 2%'ers, fringe factions.....which are aimed to benefit average Americans?
Immigration is a complex topic. You're trying to boil it down into slogans and soundbites. Undocumented workers in this country do jobs that most white people..wouldn't do. And you constantly forget about the corporations that hire and pay these people willingly. You gonna sanction them? Why not offer a path to citizenship for these people and for DACA and focus the INS and BPS on finding the bad apples and shipping them out of the country? I don't want to spend time hassling people who are productive members of the workforce, even if they are here illegally. There would be no need for sanctuary cities if there was sensible immigration policy. Meaning, productive undocumented people wouldn't have the specter of arrest and immediate deportation hanging over their head. Free healthcare for undocumented people was a campaign slogan. To be ignored. Just something to be made into a soundbite for the right wing. Address the issues behind the protest and people wouldn't have to resort to looting and rioting (which I don't condone but I understand why it happens). Defunding the police entirely is not an answer. Sensible people have already come to that conclusion. But police need some sort of guardrails. Otherwise, how will things ever change?

Your last two require larger discussions on policy. We know tax cuts do NOT increase revenues. They stimulate temporary growth which in the end encourage deficit spending and amplify budget deficits.
Healthcare should be accessible and affordable for all Americans without being tied to an employer. No one should have to go broke because they need to pay for healthcare, or operations, or prescriptions.
Like it or not, the federal government can be a help in the form of a high risk pool and/or a public option. We've had a decade to fix/amend the ACA. And y'all know who has stood in the way of that?

Look at us, discussing policy. See, Trump hasn't driven the good out of us completely. :auiqs.jpg:
Undocumented ?......do mean illegals?.....you dont have to be politically correct....
Illegals to me are law breakers, felons, bad people...you know, the people that the Obama administration was largely trying to target. :)
Sure the poor slob who fled his country because people were trying to kill him might technically be here illegally. But this guy is out in the parking lot of the local hardware store, wanting to work..day after day after day.
Or the woman with kids to feed and look after who cleans the hotel rooms (and toilets..yuck!) of slobbish white travelers.
So undocumented seems to be appropriate. These are the people I'd want to keep as they are...well...workers.
 
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Are illegals good for Americans?
Are sanctuary cities good for Americans?
Is free healthcare for illegals good for Americans?
Is 'kinda' supporting those whom riot, loot, murder and commit arson good for Americans?
Is defunding the police good for Americans?
Are higher taxes good for Americans?
Is healthcare that doubles profits for insurance carriers good for Americans?

We know the aforementioned can be good for various fringe factions, the Dem pet projects but by and large do Americans win?
Tell us what policies / ideals Dems are pushing that aren't aimed at 2%'ers, fringe factions.....which are aimed to benefit average Americans?
It’s what’s best for Americans – voting Trump out of office is proof of that.
 

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Are illegals good for Americans?
Are sanctuary cities good for Americans?
Is free healthcare for illegals good for Americans?
Is 'kinda' supporting those whom riot, loot, murder and commit arson good for Americans?
Is defunding the police good for Americans?
Are higher taxes good for Americans?
Is healthcare that doubles profits for insurance carriers good for Americans?

We know the aforementioned can be good for various fringe factions, the Dem pet projects but by and large do Americans win?
Tell us what policies / ideals Dems are pushing that aren't aimed at 2%'ers, fringe factions.....which are aimed to benefit average Americans?
It’s what’s best for Americans – voting Trump out of office is proof of that.




chinese votes don't count, dumbass.
 

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Then let the crops rot. Fine with me. Either pay a good wage or let them rot.
 

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Are illegals good for Americans?
Are sanctuary cities good for Americans?
Is free healthcare for illegals good for Americans?
Is 'kinda' supporting those whom riot, loot, murder and commit arson good for Americans?
Is defunding the police good for Americans?
Are higher taxes good for Americans?
Is healthcare that doubles profits for insurance carriers good for Americans?

We know the aforementioned can be good for various fringe factions, the Dem pet projects but by and large do Americans win?
Tell us what policies / ideals Dems are pushing that aren't aimed at 2%'ers, fringe factions.....which are aimed to benefit average Americans?
If they wanted to keep the party relevant they'd never talk about illegal immigration again and actually give us things like infrastructure bills and stimulus.

Not waggle identity politics like Republicans do to social conservatives and when they have actual power pick lobbyists over their constituents.

Most Americans are not rich and we have a very sparse social safety net it should be very easy to win every election from now until we die as the centrist party.
 

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Are illegals good for Americans?
Are sanctuary cities good for Americans?
Is free healthcare for illegals good for Americans?
Is 'kinda' supporting those whom riot, loot, murder and commit arson good for Americans?
Is defunding the police good for Americans?
Are higher taxes good for Americans?
Is healthcare that doubles profits for insurance carriers good for Americans?

We know the aforementioned can be good for various fringe factions, the Dem pet projects but by and large do Americans win?
Tell us what policies / ideals Dems are pushing that aren't aimed at 2%'ers, fringe factions.....which are aimed to benefit average Americans?
Immigration is a complex topic. You're trying to boil it down into slogans and soundbites. Undocumented workers in this country do jobs that most white people..wouldn't do. And you constantly forget about the corporations that hire and pay these people willingly. You gonna sanction them? Why not offer a path to citizenship for these people and for DACA and focus the INS and BPS on finding the bad apples and shipping them out of the country? I don't want to spend time hassling people who are productive members of the workforce, even if they are here illegally. There would be no need for sanctuary cities if there was sensible immigration policy. Meaning, productive undocumented people wouldn't have the specter of arrest and immediate deportation hanging over their head. Free healthcare for undocumented people was a campaign slogan. To be ignored. Just something to be made into a soundbite for the right wing. Address the issues behind the protest and people wouldn't have to resort to looting and rioting (which I don't condone but I understand why it happens). Defunding the police entirely is not an answer. Sensible people have already come to that conclusion. But police need some sort of guardrails. Otherwise, how will things ever change?

Your last two require larger discussions on policy. We know tax cuts do NOT increase revenues. They stimulate temporary growth which in the end encourage deficit spending and amplify budget deficits.
Healthcare should be accessible and affordable for all Americans without being tied to an employer. No one should have to go broke because they need to pay for healthcare, or operations, or prescriptions.
Like it or not, the federal government can be a help in the form of a high risk pool and/or a public option. We've had a decade to fix/amend the ACA. And y'all know who has stood in the way of that?

Look at us, discussing policy. See, Trump hasn't driven the good out of us completely. :auiqs.jpg:
Undocumented ?......do mean illegals?.....you dont have to be politically correct....
Illegals to me are law breakers, felons, bad people...you know, the people that the Obama administration was largely trying to target. :)
Sure the poor slob who fled his country because people were trying to kill him might technically be here illegally. But this guy is out in the parking lot of the local hardware store, wanting to work..day after day after day.
Or the woman with kids to feed and look after who cleans the hotel rooms (and toilets..yuck!) of slobbish white travelers.
So undocumented seems to be appropriate. These are the people I'd want to keep as they are...well...workers.
if they are here illegally....they broke a law........many,and i mean many of these illegals can care less about you me or this country,all they want is what they can get without becoming one of us,no commitments......i lived among many of these folks for quite a while in OC California .....
 

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The tRUMPites can only speak through sound bites they use from their leader

Are illegals good for Americans?
Are sanctuary cities good for Americans?
Is free healthcare for illegals good for Americans?
Is 'kinda' supporting those whom riot, loot, murder and commit arson good for Americans?
Is defunding the police good for Americans?
Are higher taxes good for Americans?
Is healthcare that doubles profits for insurance carriers good for Americans?

We know the aforementioned can be good for various fringe factions, the Dem pet projects but by and large do Americans win?
Tell us what policies / ideals Dems are pushing that aren't aimed at 2%'ers, fringe factions.....which are aimed to benefit average Americans?
Immigration is a complex topic. You're trying to boil it down into slogans and soundbites. Undocumented workers in this country do jobs that most white people..wouldn't do. And you constantly forget about the corporations that hire and pay these people willingly. You gonna sanction them? Why not offer a path to citizenship for these people and for DACA and focus the INS and BPS on finding the bad apples and shipping them out of the country? I don't want to spend time hassling people who are productive members of the workforce, even if they are here illegally. There would be no need for sanctuary cities if there was sensible immigration policy. Meaning, productive undocumented people wouldn't have the specter of arrest and immediate deportation hanging over their head. Free healthcare for undocumented people was a campaign slogan. To be ignored. Just something to be made into a soundbite for the right wing. Address the issues behind the protest and people wouldn't have to resort to looting and rioting (which I don't condone but I understand why it happens). Defunding the police entirely is not an answer. Sensible people have already come to that conclusion. But police need some sort of guardrails. Otherwise, how will things ever change?

Your last two require larger discussions on policy. We know tax cuts do NOT increase revenues. They stimulate temporary growth which in the end encourage deficit spending and amplify budget deficits.
Healthcare should be accessible and affordable for all Americans without being tied to an employer. No one should have to go broke because they need to pay for healthcare, or operations, or prescriptions.
Like it or not, the federal government can be a help in the form of a high risk pool and/or a public option. We've had a decade to fix/amend the ACA. And y'all know who has stood in the way of that?

Look at us, discussing policy. See, Trump hasn't driven the good out of us completely. :auiqs.jpg:
 

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If illegal immigration is stopped then no american should be paid even close to the low wage illegals get. You want americans to do that work then don't treat them like slaves. You can't have it both ways.
 
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Are illegals good for Americans?
Are sanctuary cities good for Americans?
Is free healthcare for illegals good for Americans?
Is 'kinda' supporting those whom riot, loot, murder and commit arson good for Americans?
Is defunding the police good for Americans?
Are higher taxes good for Americans?
Is healthcare that doubles profits for insurance carriers good for Americans?

We know the aforementioned can be good for various fringe factions, the Dem pet projects but by and large do Americans win?
Tell us what policies / ideals Dems are pushing that aren't aimed at 2%'ers, fringe factions.....which are aimed to benefit average Americans?
Immigration is a complex topic. You're trying to boil it down into slogans and soundbites. Undocumented workers in this country do jobs that most white people..wouldn't do. And you constantly forget about the corporations that hire and pay these people willingly. You gonna sanction them? Why not offer a path to citizenship for these people and for DACA and focus the INS and BPS on finding the bad apples and shipping them out of the country? I don't want to spend time hassling people who are productive members of the workforce, even if they are here illegally. There would be no need for sanctuary cities if there was sensible immigration policy. Meaning, productive undocumented people wouldn't have the specter of arrest and immediate deportation hanging over their head. Free healthcare for undocumented people was a campaign slogan. To be ignored. Just something to be made into a soundbite for the right wing. Address the issues behind the protest and people wouldn't have to resort to looting and rioting (which I don't condone but I understand why it happens). Defunding the police entirely is not an answer. Sensible people have already come to that conclusion. But police need some sort of guardrails. Otherwise, how will things ever change?

Your last two require larger discussions on policy. We know tax cuts do NOT increase revenues. They stimulate temporary growth which in the end encourage deficit spending and amplify budget deficits.
Healthcare should be accessible and affordable for all Americans without being tied to an employer. No one should have to go broke because they need to pay for healthcare, or operations, or prescriptions.
Like it or not, the federal government can be a help in the form of a high risk pool and/or a public option. We've had a decade to fix/amend the ACA. And y'all know who has stood in the way of that?

Look at us, discussing policy. See, Trump hasn't driven the good out of us completely. :auiqs.jpg:
Undocumented ?......do mean illegals?.....you dont have to be politically correct....
Illegals to me are law breakers, felons, bad people...you know, the people that the Obama administration was largely trying to target. :)
Sure the poor slob who fled his country because people were trying to kill him might technically be here illegally. But this guy is out in the parking lot of the local hardware store, wanting to work..day after day after day.
Or the woman with kids to feed and look after who cleans the hotel rooms (and toilets..yuck!) of slobbish white travelers.
So undocumented seems to be appropriate. These are the people I'd want to keep as they are...well...workers.
"Illegals to me are law breakers, felons, bad people..."
So the guy who breaks into your backyard, pitches a tent and refuses to leave wouldn't be considered a criminal trespasser? Is he there against your will?

"Sure the poor slob who fled his country because people were trying to kill him might technically be here illegally. But this guy is out in the parking lot of the local hardware store, wanting to work..day after day after day."
Your short story sounds so intimate and personal...now multiply that story by 20-40 million...Does it seem problematic now?

"Or the woman with kids to feed and look after who cleans the hotel rooms (and toilets..yuck!) of slobbish white travelers."
Who cleaned up after those evil white folks long before illegals blanketed our job markets?

"So undocumented seems to be appropriate. These are the people I'd want to keep as they are...well...workers."
Based on the context of your post don't you really mean...well...21st century slaves?
 
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Are illegals good for Americans?
Are sanctuary cities good for Americans?
Is free healthcare for illegals good for Americans?
Is 'kinda' supporting those whom riot, loot, murder and commit arson good for Americans?
Is defunding the police good for Americans?
Are higher taxes good for Americans?
Is healthcare that doubles profits for insurance carriers good for Americans?

We know the aforementioned can be good for various fringe factions, the Dem pet projects but by and large do Americans win?
Tell us what policies / ideals Dems are pushing that aren't aimed at 2%'ers, fringe factions.....which are aimed to benefit average Americans?
If they wanted to keep the party relevant they'd never talk about illegal immigration again and actually give us things like infrastructure bills and stimulus.

Not waggle identity politics like Republicans do to social conservatives and when they have actual power pick lobbyists over their constituents.

Most Americans are not rich and we have a very sparse social safety net it should be very easy to win every election from now until we die as the centrist party.
The social safety net starts breaking down on 1/1/21.
Happy New Year!
 
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I'm all for stopping the hiring of illegals and forcing those employers to pay americans TRIPLE for the same work. Any patriotic american agrees. Instead of $7 an hour $21 per hour seems right.
Then let the crops rot. Fine with me. Either pay a good wage or let them rot.
Do you honestly believe illegals work for 1/3 the wage Americans are willing to work for?
Who do you think harvested all those crops before illegals overran our job markets?
 

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If illegal immigration is stopped then no american should be paid even close to the low wage illegals get. You want americans to do that work then don't treat them like slaves. You can't have it both ways.
How would you intend to mitigate the high cost of goods and services that would result in said action? Not being argumentative here but people constantly bark about jobs and services being shipped to China, India,
and other countries. Why do you think that is? Because unless you can get the average American worker to work for slave wages and get states, cities, and towns to give steep discounts on land for factories..bringing mass
production back to this country...ain't gonna happen.
 

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