For All Those People Who Think Sharia Law Is Not In USA...

[Theowl32]

Righties are such phonies . They are not for freedom of religion , unless it's Christian religion . They hate the muslims because they are competition . Y'all believe the same shit anyway .

Thank goodness that the secularists are here to keep you all in line .

 

[Marion Morrison]

how many Muslim girls in the US been genitally mutilated, boedicca?

how many attempts?

What you have proven, boedicca, is that a rare crime in America is being arrested and prosecuted.

Number, lady, numbers, please.

How many such mutilations are acceptable to you?

The same number as are acceptable to you. You must be glad the authorities are busy ferreting out these monsters.

We have FLDS marrying off young girls here in America just as if they were living in Iran. What are you doing about that?

What is FLDS?

I believe FAKEY is trying to make MORMONS the equivalent of genital mutilating Islamists.

That's a false equivalency if ever I've seen one.

 

[Timmy]

Righties are such phonies . They are not for freedom of religion , unless it's Christian religion . They hate the muslims because they are competition . Y'all believe the same shit anyway .

Thank goodness that the secularists are here to keep you all in line .

you are so full of shit you cannot even see straight

freedom of religion only goes for practicing your faith without causing harm to others

There are several religious practices that are restricted here in the US, human sacrifice comes to mind

FWIW - FGM is just one step down the ladder from human sacrifice

My position is being argued by people from the left and the right ITT

attacks on Christianity & Judaism are being made from folks on the left and the right as well

yes, there are people pushing an anti Islam agenda with this issue, which sucks because this is a human rights issue

I totally agree with you about freedom stopping when it effects others .

But who's pushing religion on others here in the US ? Muslims ? Lol, they make up such a small # , they can't pass any Muslim based laws .

 

[JakeStarkey]

da mooslims and da joos are after da xians in the minds of the loonies

The real loonies think it is all the joos by themselves

 

[Marion Morrison]

Where is this? I know some FL and TX boys that would love to go there.

 

[usmbguest5318]

claim that Sharia Law is not practiced in the U.S.

Does anyone with half a brain actually claim that? I don't think so.

In the U.S. the practice of Sharia Law is something individuals can undertake at their discretion; however, their doing so does not supercede or obviate the applicability and jurisdiction of U.S. courts of law at local, state or federal levels. Moreover, depending on the nature and extent to which one practices and implements rulings given under Sharia, one may violate U.S. law and in turn become subject to prosecution and incarceration under it.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

That's how the Regressive Left rolls.

Take the heat off their pet constituent religion by comparing it to Christianity, regardless of how weak the logic is.

Imagine how much they have to ignore to try something like that.
.

Indeed. Lefties usually hold a position that favors Islam. If you call out lefties for favoring Islam, they deny it.

You people are either delusional, stupid, liars or all of the above. You don't know squat about what liberals think. I for one do not have a favorable of any monotheistic, authoritarian religion. They are all stupid and oppressive and thrive on fear and domination. I will also say, that perhaps Islam is, in fact a bit more harsh in their beliefs and practices. '

HOWEVER, they have the right to practice their religion- within the parameters of our civil law. In addition, neither you or anyone else has the right to discriminate and paint them all with the same broad brush. This is America dumb fuck. We believe in equality,

 

[emilynghiem]

There is no connection to FGM that it cannot be handled quickly and efficiently by the LEO and court systems.

bode will not answer how many cases the country has confronted the last year.

Dear JakeStarkey according to pinqy 's post, FGM is a more widespread cultural institution .

Looks like it will take more education and outreach and not just legislation to fix in these areas .

It's not the cultural norm in America, so for US, sure perhaps legislation is enough.

But laws against murder haven't stopped honor killings and domestic violence that require deeper training and counseling to overcome, not just legislation.

 

[emilynghiem]

claim that Sharia Law is not practiced in the U.S.

Does anyone with half a brain actually claim that? I don't think so.

In the U.S. the practice of Sharia Law is something individuals can undertake at their discretion; however, their doing so does not supercede or obviate the applicability and jurisdiction of U.S. courts of law at local, state or federal levels. Moreover, depending on the nature and extent to which one practices and implements rulings given under Sharia, one may violate U.S. law and in turn become subject to prosecution and incarceration under it.

Dear Xelor
1. If you are talking about law abiding Muslim practice "Shariah" actually refers to all aspects of practice including not eating pork, praying 5 times a day, giving alms to the poor, not practicing usury, and normal things considered part of individual exercise of religious freedom as a personal liberty.

2. Now if you are talking about subverting and violating civil laws by trying to justify this abusing religious beliefs, this is the same mistake that Catholics and Jehovah Witnesses make by colluding and covering up child abuse by citing religious administrative policies . no, it is never legal to violate civil or criminal laws.

Even when people rescued slaves, where slavery was a violation of human rights, they were still breaking laws.

Even when Rosa Parks refused to give up her bus seat to a white man and got jailed for it, that was breaking the law.

So you are right, these people who did this did choose to break laws which is civil disobedience .

Dr King did get criticized by other church leaders arguing for civil obedience not disobedience.

Sure we have a choice

But it is still illegal to violate civil or criminal laws even if someone has a difference in religious beliefs.

With Islam and Christianity, the Bible calls for believers to respect civil authority and practice civil obedience.

The correct way is to petition for change if there is a conflict, and not force it by violating laws. So the same ministerial authorities that cautioned and criticized King against engaging in lawbreaking would say the same to Christians and Muslims today.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Emily, great post. The main point here is (1) FGM here in the USA is almost non-existent, and (2) we need to be aware to keep it that way.

I wonder if legislation could be passed to prevent girls of a certain age not being allowed to travel to those countries and that a "terror" list of known 'cutters' be created and circulated. Such creatures could possibly be charged with crimes against humanity and locked up for life.

 

[Mac1958]

That's how the Regressive Left rolls.

Take the heat off their pet constituent religion by comparing it to Christianity, regardless of how weak the logic is.

Imagine how much they have to ignore to try something like that.
.

Indeed. Lefties usually hold a position that favors Islam. If you call out lefties for favoring Islam, they deny it.

You people are either delusional, stupid, liars or all of the above. You don't know squat about what liberals think. I for one do not have a favorable of any monotheistic, authoritarian religion. They are all stupid and oppressive and thrive on fear and domination. I will also say, that perhaps Islam is, in fact a bit more harsh in their beliefs and practices. '

HOWEVER, they have the right to practice their religion- within the parameters of our civil law. In addition, neither you or anyone else has the right to discriminate and paint them all with the same broad brush. This is America dumb fuck. We believe in equality,

Here is an honest liberal and former jihadist who puts his life on the line every day, fighting against his former ideology.

He is one of several who are brave and honest enough to criticize his end of the spectrum, and he is the person who coined the phrase Regressive Left.

I don't expect you folks to agree with any of this, or to admit it.
.

 

[Clementine]

I'm still trying to figure out the reason why any one would want a woman who had this operation

Women aren't allowed to feel pleasure but can still be used as baby factories. That is all they are good for in Muslim countries. They have a saying, "Women are for babies but boys are for fun."

They also believe that this will stop women from cheating. It's all about ensuring total obedience.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Its easy to see. Islam worships a pedophile who crawled up out of a well. Its as simple as that.

And what about all the Christian girls who go through it?

Mohammed practised this and promoted this. It continues today. Mohammed waa a 54 year old pedophile who married a 6 year old. Muslims have no problem with this. Sick.

See, when you quote someone, you really should address in some way what they said. What Mohammed said or did is irrelevant to the practice among Christians. There are bans on it. And there are many Muslim countries where it's not commonly practiced.

Its vile, sick, disgusting, despicable, and muslims practise this.

And so do Christians. Is it ok for them? You only seem to care about Muslims doing it.

Tell us which christian religion practices this. I'll be the first to condemn it.

 

[usmbguest5318]

claim that Sharia Law is not practiced in the U.S.

Does anyone with half a brain actually claim that? I don't think so.

In the U.S. the practice of Sharia Law is something individuals can undertake at their discretion; however, their doing so does not supercede or obviate the applicability and jurisdiction of U.S. courts of law at local, state or federal levels. Moreover, depending on the nature and extent to which one practices and implements rulings given under Sharia, one may violate U.S. law and in turn become subject to prosecution and incarceration under it.

Dear Xelor
1. If you are talking about law abiding Muslim practice "Shariah" actually refers to all aspects of practice including not eating pork, praying 5 times a day, giving alms to the poor, not practicing usury, and normal things considered part of individual exercise of religious freedom as a personal liberty.

2. Now if you are talking about subverting and violating civil laws by trying to justify this abusing religious beliefs, this is the same mistake that Catholics and Jehovah Witnesses make by colluding and covering up child abuse by citing religious administrative policies . no, it is never legal to violate civil or criminal laws.

Even when people rescued slaves, where slavery was a violation of human rights, they were still breaking laws.

Even when Rosa Parks refused to give up her bus seat to a white man and got jailed for it, that was breaking the law.

So you are right, these people who did this did choose to break laws which is civil disobedience .

Dr King did get criticized by other church leaders arguing for civil obedience not disobedience.

Sure we have a choice

But it is still illegal to violate civil or criminal laws even if someone has a difference in religious beliefs.

With Islam and Christianity, the Bible calls for believers to respect civil authority and practice civil obedience.

The correct way is to petition for change if there is a conflict, and not force it by violating laws. So the same ministerial authorities that cautioned and criticized King against engaging in lawbreaking would say the same to Christians and Muslims today.

1. If you are talking about law abiding Muslim practice "Shariah" actually refers to all aspects of practice including not eating pork, praying 5 times a day, giving alms to the poor, not practicing usury, and normal things considered part of individual exercise of religious freedom as a personal liberty.

2. Now if you are talking about subverting and violating civil laws by trying to justify this abusing religious beliefs, this is the same mistake that Catholics and Jehovah Witnesses make by colluding and covering up child abuse by citing religious administrative policies . no, it is never legal to violate civil or criminal laws.

I had both in mind. There is nothing stopping Muslims from practicing either form of Sharia Law; we have freedom of religious expression in the U.S., but that freedom is accorded only to the extent that it (1) doesn't impinge on others freedoms too, (2) doesn't conflict with other aspects of U.S. law, and (3) the authorities' will to enforce it. There are consequences for aspects of Sharia that violate U.S. laws. If a Muslim in the U.S. is of a mind to incur the risk of being subjected to the consequences U.S. Code stipulates for certain deeds they perform in the name of adhering to Sharia, so be it. Suffer the consequences they will.

In the U.S., one is required to subordinate one's religions beliefs, callings and inspirations to secular law. That's so Muslims and everyone else. What I wrote about nothing stopping Muslims from practicing/ascribing to Sharia Law is equally applicable to Jewish and Christian laws and their adherents.

 

[Timmy]

Here's what I know . The liquor stores were closed on Easter! All religious types always out to ruin everyone's fun. It's what u have in common .

 

[IsaacNewton]

Oh lordy one instance of anything means all of creation is at risk. LOL

By that standard Eric Rudolph demonstrated that Christians are all murderers. Or do they get a pass on this 'all or nothing' view of things?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Its easy to see. Islam worships a pedophile who crawled up out of a well. Its as simple as that.

And what about all the Christian girls who go through it?

Mohammed practised this and promoted this. It continues today. Mohammed waa a 54 year old pedophile who married a 6 year old. Muslims have no problem with this. Sick.

The topic is Sharia law in the USA. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that our laws support men marrying 6 year olds or female genital mutilation

I dont really care what the topic is. This was a response to another poster.

As I pointed out, it was not really in response to me. It seems you're just farting out sentences without caring if they have anything to do with what anyone else is talking about.

You don't seem to grasp the concept of a conversation.

Ok, lol.

 

[usmbguest5318]

laws against murder haven't stopped honor killings and domestic violence

Laws never do completely stop such things from happening. Law may dissuade some individuals from doing those things, but among the share of the populace who are either committed to or insouciant about doing so, that there is proscriptive law pertaining to them, and associated penalties, isn't going to stop them.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The usual loons hyperventilate about islamophobia and claim that Sharia Law is not practiced in the U.S. (They also ignore how gays and rape victims are executes in other countries).

Well, the lie has been exposed. Female Genital Mutilation is practiced in the U.S., with 500,000 girls at risk. Instead of worrying about inane micro-aggressions and Fake Rape Culture, how about addressing this REAL ABUSE of young girls?


For the second time in a week, authorities have charged a Detroit-area doctor with breaking a federal genital mutilation law, this time arresting a suburban physician and his wife for allegedly helping another doctor perform genital cutting on 7-year-old girls in a Livonia clinic.

According to a criminal complaint unsealed Friday, while a doctor removed parts of the girls' genitals, the wife of the clinic owner held the girls' hands "in order to comfort them."

Dr. Fakhruddin Attar, 53, and his wife, Farida Attar, 50, both of Livonia, were arrested Friday morning at the Burhani Medical Clinic in Livonia, where the alleged cuttings took place.

They're charged with conspiring to perform genital mutilation on minor girls by letting a doctor use their clinic to perform the procedure. Prosecutors say two Minnesota girls had their genitals mutilated in February by Dr. Jumana Nagarwala, who was charged last week in what is the nation's first federal prosecution of genital cutting. She was arrested April 12 and ordered jailed pending the outcome of her case involving the two Minnesota girls, though the FBI believes she has several more victims....

2nd doctor charged in genital mutilation case

Seriously ??!! More hate and fear mongering? When we say that Sharia law is not in the US we mean that it is not incorporated into Federal, State or local law nor is it sanctioned or recognized by the US legal system at any level. Every religion has their law and are free to practice it in accordance with the first amendment, unless doing so comes into conflict with our established laws and then it is deal with as this genital mutilation was dealt with. Islam is not being given any special quarter to practice their religious laws. Get the hell out of here with this nonsensical inane clap trap . You should be embarrassed and ashamed of yourself.

^^^ What.A.Moron ^^^

Sharia Law adherents believe that it supplants The Constitution.

But if you believe that Hanging Gays, Stoning Rape Victims, Burning Inconvenient Wives, and Mutilating Little Girls will get you 70 virgins in the Afterlife, then Sharia Law is interested in you.

Dear boedicca
In OTHER countries that don't have strong Constitutional enforcement,
YES
In Africa and Europe whole countries are suffering from militant groups
HIJACKING govt and implementing "shariah law" to mean this justice without due process to defend civil rights of individuals from govt abuses.

But in the US the OPPOSITE is happening if anything.

We've had more cases of people THREATENING to curb and ban "shariah law"
by law, which has also run into Constitutional arguments to DEFINE what is shariah
(because the term literally means the PRACTICE of Islam including prayer and charity,
alms for the elderly and poor, individual rights to free exercise in private which CANNOT be banned by law)

You are talking about the politicized religion of mixing Muslim religion with govt and civil laws.
This is unconstitutional in America.

In other countries that don't have such protections, YES that is a problem.

In the US more cases involve defending Muslims religious freedom from discrimination because
of the anti-Islamic sentiments. Look up cases in Tennessee where it was proposed to shut down
Mosques from being built. Look at the fight over a Mosque near the 9/11 ground zero site.

The opposite fight is going on in America, because our Constitutional laws
on religious freedom go BOTH WAYS:
Govt can neither ESTABLISH nor PROHIBIT the free exercise of religion.

So our laws protect both the right of Muslims to practice individually,
barring discrimination by creed, and would preclude any implementation through govt of religious beliefs.

===================
HUGE PS:
boedicca if you REALLYwant to take up a fight,
right now we have MORE of an issue with LEFTIST POLITICAL BELIEFS
crossing the line and getting embedded and enforced with govt laws and penalties:
* the health care mandates that favor people who believe in "health care as a right"'
and FINE people for NOT COMPLYING who don't believe govt has authority for health care mgmt as a civil liberty and individual freedom under the constitution.
so Constitutionalists are being FINED and PUNISHED for failure to comply with laws that VIOLATE OUR BELIEFS
* laws on accommodating gay marriage
right now people and business owners who don't believe in gay marriage
are being fined and punished for refusing to violate their own beliefs
* laws on transgender accommodations in restrooms
harassment, bullying, boycotts and lawsuits wasting taxpayer money
have been launched over this private FAITHBASED issue that govt
has no authority to decide or force people to change their beliefs on.

So boedicca do you want me to drag you into the Bullring on this challenge:
that the LEFT has done more to integrate their political beliefs into govt
under PENALTYof law than the Muslims with Shariah law that means their religious practice in general that is already
protected by Constitutional laws.

We could take this one step further, and answer TWO issues at once.
Let me know if you want to try this!

That cake shop was fined for practicing their christian faith.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The usual loons hyperventilate about islamophobia and claim that Sharia Law is not practiced in the U.S. (They also ignore how gays and rape victims are executes in other countries).

Well, the lie has been exposed. Female Genital Mutilation is practiced in the U.S., with 500,000 girls at risk. Instead of worrying about inane micro-aggressions and Fake Rape Culture, how about addressing this REAL ABUSE of young girls?


For the second time in a week, authorities have charged a Detroit-area doctor with breaking a federal genital mutilation law, this time arresting a suburban physician and his wife for allegedly helping another doctor perform genital cutting on 7-year-old girls in a Livonia clinic.

According to a criminal complaint unsealed Friday, while a doctor removed parts of the girls' genitals, the wife of the clinic owner held the girls' hands "in order to comfort them."

Dr. Fakhruddin Attar, 53, and his wife, Farida Attar, 50, both of Livonia, were arrested Friday morning at the Burhani Medical Clinic in Livonia, where the alleged cuttings took place.

They're charged with conspiring to perform genital mutilation on minor girls by letting a doctor use their clinic to perform the procedure. Prosecutors say two Minnesota girls had their genitals mutilated in February by Dr. Jumana Nagarwala, who was charged last week in what is the nation's first federal prosecution of genital cutting. She was arrested April 12 and ordered jailed pending the outcome of her case involving the two Minnesota girls, though the FBI believes she has several more victims....

2nd doctor charged in genital mutilation case

Seriously ??!! More hate and fear mongering? When we say that Sharia law is not in the US we mean that it is not incorporated into Federal, State or local law nor is it sanctioned or recognized by the US legal system at any level. Every religion has their law and are free to practice it in accordance with the first amendment, unless doing so comes into conflict with our established laws and then it is deal with as this genital mutilation was dealt with. Islam is not being given any special quarter to practice their religious laws. Get the hell out of here with this nonsensical inane clap trap . You should be embarrassed and ashamed of yourself.

^^^ What.A.Moron ^^^

Sharia Law adherents believe that it supplants The Constitution.

But if you believe that Hanging Gays, Stoning Rape Victims, Burning Inconvenient Wives, and Mutilating Little Girls will get you 70 virgins in the Afterlife, then Sharia Law is interested in you.

Dear boedicca
In OTHER countries that don't have strong Constitutional enforcement,
YES
In Africa and Europe whole countries are suffering from militant groups
HIJACKING govt and implementing "shariah law" to mean this justice without due process to defend civil rights of individuals from govt abuses.

But in the US the OPPOSITE is happening if anything.

We've had more cases of people THREATENING to curb and ban "shariah law"
by law, which has also run into Constitutional arguments to DEFINE what is shariah
(because the term literally means the PRACTICE of Islam including prayer and charity,
alms for the elderly and poor, individual rights to free exercise in private which CANNOT be banned by law)

You are talking about the politicized religion of mixing Muslim religion with govt and civil laws.
This is unconstitutional in America.

In other countries that don't have such protections, YES that is a problem.

In the US more cases involve defending Muslims religious freedom from discrimination because
of the anti-Islamic sentiments. Look up cases in Tennessee where it was proposed to shut down
Mosques from being built. Look at the fight over a Mosque near the 9/11 ground zero site.

The opposite fight is going on in America, because our Constitutional laws
on religious freedom go BOTH WAYS:
Govt can neither ESTABLISH nor PROHIBIT the free exercise of religion.

So our laws protect both the right of Muslims to practice individually,
barring discrimination by creed, and would preclude any implementation through govt of religious beliefs.

===================
HUGE PS:
boedicca if you REALLYwant to take up a fight,
right now we have MORE of an issue with LEFTIST POLITICAL BELIEFS
crossing the line and getting embedded and enforced with govt laws and penalties:
* the health care mandates that favor people who believe in "health care as a right"'
and FINE people for NOT COMPLYING who don't believe govt has authority for health care mgmt as a civil liberty and individual freedom under the constitution.
so Constitutionalists are being FINED and PUNISHED for failure to comply with laws that VIOLATE OUR BELIEFS
* laws on accommodating gay marriage
right now people and business owners who don't believe in gay marriage
are being fined and punished for refusing to violate their own beliefs
* laws on transgender accommodations in restrooms
harassment, bullying, boycotts and lawsuits wasting taxpayer money
have been launched over this private FAITHBASED issue that govt
has no authority to decide or force people to change their beliefs on.

So boedicca do you want me to drag you into the Bullring on this challenge:
that the LEFT has done more to integrate their political beliefs into govt
under PENALTYof law than the Muslims with Shariah law that means their religious practice in general that is already
protected by Constitutional laws.

We could take this one step further, and answer TWO issues at once.
Let me know if you want to try this!

That cake shop was fined for practicing their christian faith.

Yep, the shop held mass and served sugar crisps as communion wafers.