Floyd verdict thread (moments away)

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Even Fox News is saying he was guilty.
Well he is...sadly it will be overturned on appeal due to the comments by the Dems...Mad Max especially....we'll have to do it all again...
Hopefully not.
I woudn't be surprised if the DA offers a plea then....folks forget that early on he was willing to plea to the 3rd Degree Murder charge. But at the time the DA didn't think that was enough.
LOL

The DA won. Why on Earth would they offer a deal??
Instead of putting the family, city and taxpayers through another jury trial....moreover you never know what a second jury would do
Who says there's gonna be another trial? It's not a slam dunk Waters will cause one.
I said there was...and you responded...I thought that was what we were talking about
Sorry, my bad. I thought you meant Waters would cause another trial.

At any rate, there are no deals coming. DA's don't have to make deals after they win.
That's what I said...as the Judge said, Water threats of violence if the their wasn't a guilty verdict could lead to a new trial...at which time I could see the DA offering a deal.

Obvoiusly, they won't offer a deal until that happens
"Could."

We'll see. To prevail, the defense has to prove the jury was tainted by Waters' threats.
well no they don't have to prove that. They simply have to show that the jury could have been tainted by her threats of violence. They don't actually have to have testimony from the jurors.
Uh, no, they have to have evidence of jury tampering. Otherwise, every trial would end in mistrial... uh, your Honor, CNN ran a story about my client... mistrial now!
I never said anything about jury tampering. Jury tampering is a crime. An appealable issue, and one that can reverse a trial or somethign in the case doesn't have to be a crime.

This isn't merely a news network running a story...but if a juror did watch the story, it could grounds for a mistrial.

Mad Max threatened violence, in a city that has been torn by riots, if the jurors didn't return a certain verdict.
You're right, "jury tampering" is a crime and the wrong term. They still have to offer some evidence the jury was influenced by it. At this time, I don't know they have any evidence anyone on the jury even heard what she said. I didn't watch the trial but I'd be surprised if the jury [edit: wasn't] instructed from the beginning to avoid the news.
They do not have to prove the jury actually heard it. They don't have to get disposition from jury members. Jurors don't have to talk at all. They only have to show that they could have been
Not true. It's a court of law. Of course evidence is needed. On what grounds could they possibly win an appeal if they can't show Waters' moronic words tainted the jury? The judge already dismissed their motion for a mistrial. Their only chance now is at the appellate courts
it’s an appeals court. They don’t bring in new evidence. They use the record. They Court find the Court errored in not grant ring a mistrial and reserve, thus giving a new trial.
I didn't say they do. But they do need evidence to win an appeal. By win an appeal, I mean to be granted one. They have to appeal on grounds that Waters' comments tainted the jury...

Potential grounds for appeal in a criminal case include legal error, juror misconduct and ineffective assistance of counsel. Legal errors may result from improperly admitted evidence, incorrect jury instructions, or lack of sufficient evidence to support a guilty verdict. To grant the appeal, the appellate court must find that these errors affected the outcome of the case. If the errors would not have changed the verdict, they are considered harmless, and the conviction will stand.

If they can't show the jury wasn't swayed by Waters, there's no reason they'll get an appeal. AR least not on those grounds.
yep and they got a great case that the judge errored in not granting the mistrial or the numerous request to sequester the jury.
A mistrial based on what?
 

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I can't help but wonder what may happen still because you know that there are going to be people who are not happy with the verdict and we all know that they have already been shown how to play a certain game thanks to those who have already done the looting, rioting, and torching. I wonder how many cops are now going to turn in their badges.

God bless you and them always!!!

Holly
I don’t think there are many cops who support what Chauvin did.

He made their jobs harder
I don't know if all the blame should be dumped on him. To me, it may be the public who has only made their jobs harder because you know that there is always going to be people out there who are not happy when someone who isn't wearing the uniform dies.

God bless you always!!!

Holly
The public expects the police to do their jobs with professionalism and compassion

Chauvin didn’t.
I don’t see many police saying......I would have done the same thing
But due to what has taken place, they may not know what to do anymore when in a similar situation and that right there could always lead to them letting a criminal be out there on the loose.

God bless you and them always!!!

Holly
Floyd was handcuffed and surrounded by three armed officers.
I doubt there was a chance he would get loose
The point that I am trying to make is that every incident from here on out will most definitely be placed underneath a microscope and if the ending result doesn't sit well with certain people, be ready for more rioting, looting, and fire setting.

God bless you always!!!

Holly
 
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The minute they allowed the first Negro on the jury is was certain the officer was never going to get a fair trial.

The Negroes learned a great lesson.

All they have to do is burn, loot, riot and murder and the White Guilt pukes and stupid Moon Bats will give them anything they want. Hell the sonofabitches got trillions in the Covid bills. Trillion more coming.

Shame on America!
You're a fucking idiot! There were more white people than blacks on the jury. How do you explain that ? Do you understans what a jury of your peers means ? What the fuck is your understanding of how the criminal justice system is supposed to work? Should there be no white people on a jury when a black person is tried? Think you fucking dolt!

I try to read Goober Racist101 from Flash, but I don’t get it either.
Clearly he thinks ANY blacks on the jury were a miscarriage of justice.
Like maybe the next time a white man is on trial, he should be judged by an all BLACK jury? :confused-84:
The stoopid around here is palpable ;-)
 

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Homicide was a medical finding, not a legal one. The medical examiner found no injuries to the neck or back, and no signs of hypoxia. Floyd was in bad health and the the drugs and the stress of his resistance killed him. This travesty should be overturned on appeal.
You can't overturn a jury verdict except on the grounds that no reasonable jury would come to that conclusion. The jury was presented with medical experts that agreed on the cause of death, while the defense put on an expert paid to testify, who came up with the carbon monoxide theory out of thin air.


Yeah, got to love those experts that claimed positional asphyxia, when the autopsy said there were no signs of asphyxiation. And if you think the prosecutions experts weren't paid you're delusional. "Expert" testimony is a big business, if you have unlimited funds like the State they will say what ever you want.

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Yeah, got to love those experts that claimed positional asphyxia, when the autopsy said there were no signs of asphyxiation.
That's the problem, the primary witness to the crime, the video tape, had no one to claim they didn't see Chauvin on the guys neck for nine minutes and twenty nine seconds. Three minutes past the point where Floyd had no pulse and no movement.
 
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Homicide was a medical finding, not a legal one. The medical examiner found no injuries to the neck or back, and no signs of hypoxia. Floyd was in bad health and the the drugs and the stress of his resistance killed him. This travesty should be overturned on appeal.
You can't overturn a jury verdict except on the grounds that no reasonable jury would come to that conclusion. The jury was presented with medical experts that agreed on the cause of death, while the defense put on an expert paid to testify, who came up with the carbon monoxide theory out of thin air.


Yeah, got to love those experts that claimed positional asphyxia, when the autopsy said there were no signs of asphyxiation. And if you think the prosecutions experts weren't paid you're delusional. "Expert" testimony is a big business, if you have unlimited funds like the State they will say what ever you want.

The Chief of Police and County Coroner weren’t “paid” you insufferable lunatic.
Well, maybe they’ll expense mileage.
Did you pay any attention to this trial at all?
 

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A lynch mob has been appeased and it's a great day?

You're just whining when our legal system doesn't support what you want.

Would you like a tissue? :itsok:

So, you can no longer racist. Is it?

That didn't make sense. I suggest you compose yourself. I know you're upset.

The system is no longer racist. Right?...lol

I didn't say anything about race. You did.

Are you saying the system never was racist and broken?...lol
 

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Well we know that you are racist------------

What did I say that's racist?

Maybe you're just an idiot.
What did you say that is racist? HUN...........everyone knows. You are like the idiot who farts and then starts screaming WHO FARTED? WHO FARTED?

You seem to have a really hard time with specific details.

First you claimed that I implied that homicide is murder even though that's completely made up. And now you claim that I said something racist that you can't figure out either. LoL.

I think you're just an idiot.
You just think he's an idiot.
I know you're an idiot.
 

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This soon should be excellent news for the prosecution but we shall see!

You people are going to riot anyway and we all know it.
Who is 'you people'. Come on now, don't be coy. Say what you are insinuating.

You lefty fucks. Don't think everyone doesn't know it's privileged white leftists like you that do all the rioting, killing, and destroying when you don't get your way. We see you.
Haha, yeah totally. Turn on the TV right now and see all those white Democrats in the streets in Min. You’re an idiot
 

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Yeah, got to love those experts that claimed positional asphyxia, when the autopsy said there were no signs of asphyxiation.
That's the problem, the primary witness to the crime, the video tape, had no one to claim they didn't see Chauvin on the guys neck for nine minutes and twenty nine seconds. Three minutes past the point where Floyd had no pulse and no movement.


And as demonstrated by the defense he acted within his training and department policy. Also IF he was on his neck, Floyd wouldn't have been able to move his head around the way he did. But hey, feel free to keep pushing the propaganda, the video and autopsy proves you a liar.

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Yeah, got to love those experts that claimed positional asphyxia, when the autopsy said there were no signs of asphyxiation.
That's the problem, the primary witness to the crime, the video tape, had no one to claim they didn't see Chauvin on the guys neck for nine minutes and twenty nine seconds. Three minutes past the point where Floyd had no pulse and no movement.


And as demonstrated by the defense he acted within his training and department policy. Also IF he was on his neck, Floyd wouldn't have been able to move his head around the way he did. But hey, feel free to keep pushing the propaganda, the video and autopsy proves you a liar.

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The department doesn’t train cops to sit on people till they die. You trying to claim that’s how cops are trained will only fuel the narrative of a corrupt and flawed system. Is that what you’re trying to do? Blame the entire system for one rotten mans actions?
 
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FOAD COMMIE! I hope the next Floyd comes for you.

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Standard Trumpster response. :lol:

I know right? As if Floyd “went after” anyone??


He tried to defraud the store owner and resisted arrest, oh and he was in possession of illegal drugs. That's at least three felonies on top of his violent background. May the thug rot in hell and the next one introduce themselves to you.

The jury clearly determined that he did not resist arrest. Now beat it :finger3:
 

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Yeah, got to love those experts that claimed positional asphyxia, when the autopsy said there were no signs of asphyxiation.
That's the problem, the primary witness to the crime, the video tape, had no one to claim they didn't see Chauvin on the guys neck for nine minutes and twenty nine seconds. Three minutes past the point where Floyd had no pulse and no movement.


And as demonstrated by the defense he acted within his training and department policy. Also IF he was on his neck, Floyd wouldn't have been able to move his head around the way he did. But hey, feel free to keep pushing the propaganda, the video and autopsy proves you a liar.

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The department doesn’t train cops to sit on people till they die. You trying to claim that’s how cops are trained will only fuel the narrative of a corrupt and flawed system. Is that what you’re trying to do? Blame the entire system for one rotten mans actions?


Neck restraints are allowed under dept policy. But he didn't have his knee on the neck, it was more in the area of the collar bone and upper shoulder, Floyd was able to move his head.

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FOAD COMMIE! I hope the next Floyd comes for you.

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Standard Trumpster response. :lol:

I know right? As if Floyd “went after” anyone??


He tried to defraud the store owner and resisted arrest, oh and he was in possession of illegal drugs. That's at least three felonies on top of his violent background. May the thug rot in hell and the next one introduce themselves to you.

The jury clearly determined that he did not resist arrest. Now beat it :finger3:


You're a liar, he resisted for 16 minutes before he was put in the prone position.

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Yeah, got to love those experts that claimed positional asphyxia, when the autopsy said there were no signs of asphyxiation.
That's the problem, the primary witness to the crime, the video tape, had no one to claim they didn't see Chauvin on the guys neck for nine minutes and twenty nine seconds. Three minutes past the point where Floyd had no pulse and no movement.


And as demonstrated by the defense he acted within his training and department policy. Also IF he was on his neck, Floyd wouldn't have been able to move his head around the way he did. But hey, feel free to keep pushing the propaganda, the video and autopsy proves you a liar.

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No, his boss and his boss’ boss both testified that he did NOT act in accordance with training or department policy.
Either there is something very VERY wrong with you or you didn’t watch the trial.
I suspect BOTH :rolleyes-41:
 

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Yeah, got to love those experts that claimed positional asphyxia, when the autopsy said there were no signs of asphyxiation.
That's the problem, the primary witness to the crime, the video tape, had no one to claim they didn't see Chauvin on the guys neck for nine minutes and twenty nine seconds. Three minutes past the point where Floyd had no pulse and no movement.


And as demonstrated by the defense he acted within his training and department policy. Also IF he was on his neck, Floyd wouldn't have been able to move his head around the way he did. But hey, feel free to keep pushing the propaganda, the video and autopsy proves you a liar.

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No, his boss and his boss’ boss both testified that he did NOT act in accordance with training or department policy.
Either there is something very VERY wrong with you or you didn’t watch the trial.
I suspect BOTH :rolleyes-41:


The defense showed the written policy on neck restraints, I guess it was you that wasn't paying attention. They showed it during the trial and in closing arguments.

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A lynch mob has been appeased and it's a great day?

You're just whining when our legal system doesn't support what you want.

Would you like a tissue? :itsok:

So, you can no longer racist. Is it?

That didn't make sense. I suggest you compose yourself. I know you're upset.

The system is no longer racist. Right?...lol

I didn't say anything about race. You did.

Are you saying the system never was racist and broken?...lol

As I just explained to you, I haven’t said anything about race.

Take your time with that. Read it over a few times.
 

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