Florist Sued for Refusing Service to Gay Couple Pens Defiant Letter Rejecting Gov’t Settlement Offer

[koshergrl]

But according to the homo lobby, the priest is an employee of the church, and the church makes linens for profit...so the priest is legally bound to hand out towels to naked queers, and to smile while he does it.

No, it doesn't work that way.

So we agree.

You can't force people to participate in rituals that have religious significance. Even if you are just making fun of it.

No, you can't force a church to accept members it has no interest in accepting.

Random association moment? Different topic. Focus.

You should tell yourself that. Your baptism scenario would not happen because the priest the church in question belongs to does not accept homosexuals. Not to mention that the church runs baptisms, not the parishioner.

In other words, you are a lunatic.

No, it's the same as going to a baker or a florist that you have enjoyed a relationship with for years and demanding that they *serve* you at your *wedding* when you're perfectly aware that they will not do it because of their religious beliefs.

 

[koshergrl]

PS..Maybe you homos should have just done what we said, and not insisted on calling your unions "marriages". As such, you have made it a religious issue.

Sowwy.

 

[bodecea]

I think that if homos want to have unions go for it (just call them Unions and not marriage), if Christians want to refrain from getting involved that is their right. Unfortunately that's not going to happen so courts get involved and we end up with the mess we have. The homos should have just went to a gay florist or one that has no issues with SSM. That's part of the problem, some of these "suits" are by design and the result of targeting, I'm not saying this one is but some are

If heterosexuals want to have unions, go for it. You want the name changed, the onus is on you to change it. BTW, civil unions for gays, civil marriage for straights is the epitome of separate but equal.

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Best written post you have ever made.

Certainly the most cogent.

Let me double down...

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Awesome. You've certainly outdone yourself.

 

[Ravi]

Civil marriage is not religious.

Religious marriage is.

The bigot lobby keeps insisting that Christians should not have to follow the law- when it comes to homosexuals.

We tried to explain this to you before, but you insisted you didn't care.

MARRIAGE IS RELIGIOUS. Whether or not YOU believe so is immaterial. Those of us who DO see it as a sacrament CANNOT BE FORCED TO PARTICIPATE IN A SACRILEGIOUS TRAVESTY OF A HOLY EVENT.

Get it?

To Christians, *marriage* is a sacrament. And as such, you can't force them to participate if they don't want to. It doesnt' matter if you're religious or not. If we could force people to participate in rituals based on the fact that WE think the ritual is a load of shit, then we'd be able to force you to go to confession.

Marriage isn't religious. A marriage ceremony in a church is religious.

We believe it's religious. Sorry you can't force us to believe (or act) otherwise.

Who is we?

Ah, you're attempting to focus! We = Christians.

Christians think Christian marriage is religious. Civil marriage is not. Are you really this stupid?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

PS..Maybe you homos should have just done what we said, and not insisted on calling your unions "marriages". As such, you have made it a religious issue.

Sowwy.

No, they haven't, since a "marriage" in a church isn't valid without a license from the State. Sowwwy.....

 

[bodecea]

Civil marriage is not religious.

Religious marriage is.

The bigot lobby keeps insisting that Christians should not have to follow the law- when it comes to homosexuals.

We tried to explain this to you before, but you insisted you didn't care.

MARRIAGE IS RELIGIOUS. Whether or not YOU believe so is immaterial. Those of us who DO see it as a sacrament CANNOT BE FORCED TO PARTICIPATE IN A SACRILEGIOUS TRAVESTY OF A HOLY EVENT.

Get it?

To Christians, *marriage* is a sacrament. And as such, you can't force them to participate if they don't want to. It doesnt' matter if you're religious or not. If we could force people to participate in rituals based on the fact that WE think the ritual is a load of shit, then we'd be able to force you to go to confession.

Why should they? Seriously. Why should they accept anything less than what you expect for yourself?

Christians don't have to get involved if they don't want to. If I sell you a cup of coffee, to what extent have I gotten involved in your life?

When was the last time Christians demanded Muslim buffet workers serve kebobs at the neighborhood pig slaughter party?

I have no idea. Do you have a point?

My point is you're a fascist pig.

Interesting. I can't see the connection myself.

A lying fascist pig.

You're getting pathetically shrill again, Allie....I mean, Koshergrl.

 

[bodecea]

We tried to explain this to you before, but you insisted you didn't care.

MARRIAGE IS RELIGIOUS. Whether or not YOU believe so is immaterial. Those of us who DO see it as a sacrament CANNOT BE FORCED TO PARTICIPATE IN A SACRILEGIOUS TRAVESTY OF A HOLY EVENT.

Get it?

To Christians, *marriage* is a sacrament. And as such, you can't force them to participate if they don't want to. It doesnt' matter if you're religious or not. If we could force people to participate in rituals based on the fact that WE think the ritual is a load of shit, then we'd be able to force you to go to confession.

Marriage isn't religious. A marriage ceremony in a church is religious.

We believe it's religious. Sorry you can't force us to believe (or act) otherwise.

Who is we?

Ah, you're attempting to focus! We = Christians.

Christians think Christian marriage is religious. Civil marriage is not. Are you really this stupid?

Oh dear....was that rhetorical?

 

[bodecea]

It just flabbergasts me how queers think that not only are we obligated to tolerate them...we're supposed to support and celebrate the way they have sex as well.

IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Why is it when you think of gays, you only think of sex. It's really odd....when I think of straights, my brain doesn't automatically default to what you do in bed. Why such a voyeur?

 

[Syriusly]

PS..Maybe you homos should have just done what we said, and not insisted on calling your unions "marriages". As such, you have made it a religious issue.

Sowwy.

You still upset about gays getting all uppity and not knowing their place?

Civil marriage is civil marriage- doesn't care what religion- if any religion- anyone participating is.

Religious marriage determines whether your church considers you to be married.

And selling flowers is not participating in a wedding.

 

[mikegriffith1]

No one is stopping her from practicing her religion.

For no valid reason, they are trying to force her to perform an action that she finds morally and spiritually offensive. The gay couple could very, very easily just get another florist and leave it at that.

They are trying to make her follow the law.

What they are really doing is using a very recent--and un-American--law as a weapon to persecute religious people. Again, what happened to the oft-repeated promise that "if you're not gay, gay marriage won't affect you"?

There is no cover provided by 'religion' to discriminte, thank God!

So when you guys make it so that pedophiles can marry young girls and beast lovers can marry their animals, it will be "discrimination" for a Christian vendor to politely decline to service their weddings, right?

It is not "discrimination" to not want to attend an event that you find morally and spiritually offensive. There is no reason in the world that that gay couple could not just go use a different florist and leave it at that.

 

[JFK_USA]

Segregationists and slave owners felt the same way.

They were just following the bible.

BOOM!! /thread.

bigotry is sad. luckily it's dying out.

If only it would on the left side of the aisle also

example?

Example of what? Bigotry from the left? Start with religion.

what about it?

The moment you or anyone else attacks my religion or belief in God you become a bigot.

bigot:
noun
1.
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

She can have her beliefs, but she can't break the law and have a defense for those beliefs.

Ex. Honor Killings.

If a father kills their daughter, he can believe that he was doing it for the "honor" of his family. However, he still broke the law because of the action of murder.

Back to the Florist:

If a Florist refuses to serve a gay couple because she doesn't believe that same-sex marriage is real, she can have that belief. She cannot do the action of discrimination towards a gay couple and use her beliefs as a defense. She still discriminated against them, that's against the law.

If we allowed religious exemptions for people breaking the law, we would have chaos and no law to guide society.

 

[Nosmo King]

Or she can just go into a business that doesn't require her to offend her imaginary sky pixie.

I wonder why Gay florists don't just start rejecting Radical Conservatives as customers? I know there are Gay florists. I know that there are still Radical Conservatives around, I can see the drag marks from their knuckles.

Let the Gay florists reject customers as a political ploy, the same way these Radical Conservatives believe that they have a right to be bigots.

 

[Redfish]

PS..Maybe you homos should have just done what we said, and not insisted on calling your unions "marriages". As such, you have made it a religious issue.

Sowwy.

You still upset about gays getting all uppity and not knowing their place?

Civil marriage is civil marriage- doesn't care what religion- if any religion- anyone participating is.

Religious marriage determines whether your church considers you to be married.

And selling flowers is not participating in a wedding.

not one of you has managed to answer a very simple question: why would a gay couple want to do business with a florist who does not approve of gay marriage when there many florists who have no issue with gay marriage?

Why do you want to do business with someone who does not like you? I don't.

But we know that answer don't we? Because the gay agenda is not about rights, the constitution, freedom, equality or anything else. Its about using the govt to force societal acceptance of homosexuality as a normal human condition.

 

[Redfish]

Or she can just go into a business that doesn't require her to offend her imaginary sky pixie.

I wonder why Gay florists don't just start rejecting Radical Conservatives as customers? I know there are Gay florists. I know that there are still Radical Conservatives around, I can see the drag marks from their knuckles.

Let the Gay florists reject customers as a political ploy, the same way these Radical Conservatives believe that they have a right to be bigots.

yep, lets see that. put the shoe on the other foot.

 

[Ravi]

Segregationists and slave owners felt the same way.

They were just following the bible.

BOOM!! /thread.

If only it would on the left side of the aisle also

example?

Example of what? Bigotry from the left? Start with religion.

what about it?

The moment you or anyone else attacks my religion or belief in God you become a bigot.

bigot:
noun
1.
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

She can have her beliefs, but she can't break the law and have a defense for those beliefs.

Ex. Honor Killings.

If a father kills their daughter, he can believe that he was doing it for the "honor" of his family. However, he still broke the law because of the action of murder.

Back to the Florist:

If a Florist refuses to serve a gay couple because she doesn't believe that same-sex marriage is real, she can have that belief. She cannot do the action of discrimination towards a gay couple and use her beliefs as a defense. She still discriminated against them, that's against the law.

If we allowed religious exemptions for people breaking the law, we would have chaos and no law to guide society.

This is kind of funny.

If she doesn't think gay marriage is real, then she's got no reason to object to selling the flowers.

If she thinks gay marriage is real, then she's got no reason to object to selling the flowers.

 

[Nosmo King]

No one is stopping her from practicing her religion.

For no valid reason, they are trying to force her to perform an action that she finds morally and spiritually offensive. The gay couple could very, very easily just get another florist and leave it at that.

They are trying to make her follow the law.

What they are really doing is using a very recent--and un-American--law as a weapon to persecute religious people. Again, what happened to the oft-repeated promise that "if you're not gay, gay marriage won't affect you"?

There is no cover provided by 'religion' to discriminte, thank God!

So when you guys make it so that pedophiles can marry young girls and beast lovers can marry their animals, it will be "discrimination" for a Christian vendor to politely decline to service their weddings, right?

It is not "discrimination" to not want to attend an event that you find morally and spiritually offensive. There is no reason in the world that that gay couple could not just go use a different florist and leave it at that.

She is....get ready for it...ARRAINGING FLOWERS. She is not performing a sacrament. She is not creating Holy icons.

If a florist was at her bench and all she saw was order slips and flowers in a cooler, and that florist wanted to wrap the Bible around her and seek legal cover for her discrimination, she would not know each and every customer personally, nor would she be aware of the customer's lifestyle. All she knows is to make a centerpiece.

Her faith is not being constrained or infringed. Her task is to make flower arraignments, not to judge her customers.

And your rant about pedophiles and bestiality is moot. It's sensationalistic and ham handed. It has been dismissed as such right here on this thread as a last resort from shallow thinkers.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Or she can just go into a business that doesn't require her to offend her imaginary sky pixie.

I wonder why Gay florists don't just start rejecting Radical Conservatives as customers? I know there are Gay florists. I know that there are still Radical Conservatives around, I can see the drag marks from their knuckles.

Let the Gay florists reject customers as a political ploy, the same way these Radical Conservatives believe that they have a right to be bigots.

I tend to avoid homo owned business, I don't speak lisp

 

[Syriusly]

No one is stopping her from practicing her religion.

So when you guys make it so .

And when you guys start having pogroms to kill off all the homosexuals.....and then the Muslims......

See- anyone can make up any kind of crazy offensive strawmen.

If you can't make your argument without stupid strawmen like that, then you have no argument.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Or she can just go into a business that doesn't require her to offend her imaginary sky pixie.

I wonder why Gay florists don't just start rejecting Radical Conservatives as customers? I know there are Gay florists. I know that there are still Radical Conservatives around, I can see the drag marks from their knuckles.

Let the Gay florists reject customers as a political ploy, the same way these Radical Conservatives believe that they have a right to be bigots.

I tend to avoid homo owned business, I don't speak lisp

Can you imagine a fruiter trying to say chrysanthemum?

 

[Syriusly]

Or she can just go into a business that doesn't require her to offend her imaginary sky pixie.

I wonder why Gay florists don't just start rejecting Radical Conservatives as customers? I know there are Gay florists. I know that there are still Radical Conservatives around, I can see the drag marks from their knuckles.

Let the Gay florists reject customers as a political ploy, the same way these Radical Conservatives believe that they have a right to be bigots.

I tend to avoid homo owned business, I don't speak lisp

And I am sure that those gays appreciate not having your business.

Of course the rest of the gays just put up with your homophobic slurs and jokes you toss out because you presume that they aren't gay, and they will enjoy your twisted insults of gays....