Florist Sued for Refusing Service to Gay Couple Pens Defiant Letter Rejecting Gov’t Settlement Offer

[kaz]

But what if all business in their area did that? What if there was no business in their area who would do business with them

That doesn't even remotely say that gays shouldn't have to deal with Christians.

You're right on the quote. I confused it with the other discussion, but you're still wrong, sorry. Liberals tried that and got fine to the point what if gays don't want to deal with them.

I'm not finding those quotes for you, you made the claim, I don't have to prove you wrong

No, you made the claim. I reread the thread and no one said that gay people should be able to refuse serving Christians.

When you said that Christians would object if the law was reversed and I said no, they wouldn't, that was me making the claim. Gotcha. Prove me wrong!!!

This discussion has spanned multiple threads actually and several liberals have made the accusation you did and each one whiffed like you did. If you want to know, why don't you start a thread with a poll? Just don't make it a stupid poll like liberals always do. What about these as the choices?

Would Christians be OK with laws allowing gay businesses to not do business with them if Christian businesses are allowed to not do business with gays?

I am not a Christian, I think Christians would object to that
I am not a Christian, I think Christians would not object to that
I am a Christian, I should be able to discriminate against gays but not the reverse
I am a Christian, I'm good both ways

If you want to know the truth, be sure to set it to display the voters so liberals don't stack the vote

Dude. Your stupid strawman is dismissed.

Gays cannot discriminate against Christians. And no one has said they should be able to do so.

Why shouldn't gays be allowed to discriminate against Christians?

In the RTP area where my business is, the liberal gay community actively boycotts conservatives, they don't even have to be anti-gay

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The point is the same. It's discrimination against a minority that we fix using the law because people simply won't be decent otherwise.

SEXUAL BEHAVIORS ARE NOT "MINORITIES".

There did your flawed premise get through your head yet?

Your cult and its flawed premise are about to have their day in court..

It's not behavior, it's orientation. Just because you can't get that doesn't mean the courts are that moronic.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Look, you've got it all wrong. Here's what happened here: A florist set up a business to sell flowers for weddings.

Wedding sales comprised only 3% of the stores sales for the previous 5 years.


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[PaintMyHouse]

You're right on the quote. I confused it with the other discussion, but you're still wrong, sorry. Liberals tried that and got fine to the point what if gays don't want to deal with them.

I'm not finding those quotes for you, you made the claim, I don't have to prove you wrong

No, you made the claim. I reread the thread and no one said that gay people should be able to refuse serving Christians.

When you said that Christians would object if the law was reversed and I said no, they wouldn't, that was me making the claim. Gotcha. Prove me wrong!!!

This discussion has spanned multiple threads actually and several liberals have made the accusation you did and each one whiffed like you did. If you want to know, why don't you start a thread with a poll? Just don't make it a stupid poll like liberals always do. What about these as the choices?

Would Christians be OK with laws allowing gay businesses to not do business with them if Christian businesses are allowed to not do business with gays?

I am not a Christian, I think Christians would object to that
I am not a Christian, I think Christians would not object to that
I am a Christian, I should be able to discriminate against gays but not the reverse
I am a Christian, I'm good both ways

If you want to know the truth, be sure to set it to display the voters so liberals don't stack the vote

Dude. Your stupid strawman is dismissed.

Gays cannot discriminate against Christians. And no one has said they should be able to do so.

Why shouldn't gays be allowed to discriminate against Christians?

In the RTP area where my business is, the liberal gay community actively boycotts conservatives, they don't even have to be anti-gay

One should fight evil...

 

[bodecea]

I don't think that is what he is saying at all. If you open your business to the public, then you have to let the public in.

Yes, a better scenario would have been for the florist to tell them that she was totally booked up for that day, rather than refuse due to their gayness.

Sure, cuz christians lie, right?

everyone lies. it has nothing to do with religion. are obama's lies based on religion? oops, well maybe they are since islam permits lying to further the goals of islam.

Yep...so much for that Commandment.

You ought to go read that commandment again. Hint, Clinton broke it.

Yes he did...on several occasions. Your point?

 

[BlindBoo]

That sucks, losing their Religious Liberty, to treat others as property. Have these people no respect for faith?

I expect when the Baby Jesus comes back he will restore our rightful property too.

 

[Seawytch]

I agree completely. I think that discriminating against homosexuals should not only be legal, but protected!

The only catch is that they should have to post big signs by the entrance and include a clearly visible "non fine print" disclaimer in all their advertisements that they refuse to serve homosexuals.

But what if all business in their area did that? What if there was no business in their area who would do business with them

Here you go sweetheart. Sucks to be you

That doesn't even remotely say that gays shouldn't have to deal with Christians.

You're right on the quote. I confused it with the other discussion, but you're still wrong, sorry. Liberals tried that and got fine to the point what if gays don't want to deal with them.

I'm not finding those quotes for you, you made the claim, I don't have to prove you wrong

No, you made the claim. I reread the thread and no one said that gay people should be able to refuse serving Christians.

When you said that Christians would object if the law was reversed and I said no, they wouldn't, that was me making the claim. Gotcha. Prove me wrong!!!

This discussion has spanned multiple threads actually and several liberals have made the accusation you did and each one whiffed like you did. If you want to know, why don't you start a thread with a poll? Just don't make it a stupid poll like liberals always do. What about these as the choices?

Would Christians be OK with laws allowing gay businesses to not do business with them if Christian businesses are allowed to not do business with gays?

I am not a Christian, I think Christians would object to that
I am not a Christian, I think Christians would not object to that
I am a Christian, I should be able to discriminate against gays but not the reverse
I am a Christian, I'm good both ways

If you want to know the truth, be sure to set it to display the voters so liberals don't stack the vote

Dude. Your stupid strawman is dismissed.

Gays cannot discriminate against Christians. And no one has said they should be able to do so.

Not true. I say they should be able to...as long as they get to against me. We either get rid of all PA Laws or the anti gay bigots STFU because in some states and localities they ALSO protect gays. (State's rights motherfuckers)

 

[kaz]

Gays cannot discriminate against Christians. And no one has said they should be able to do so.

I have.

Absolutely, gays should have every right to boycott Christians

 

[PaintMyHouse]

And btw, there were no laws against homosexual marriage until the bigots passed them.

So name a gay couple that got married before the courts started ordering States to marry gay couples

These were the first to try, when there were no laws on the books here:

"On May 18, 1970, two University of Minnesota students, Richard John 'Jack' Baker and James Michael McConnell applied to Hennepin County District Court clerk Gerald Nelson for a marriage license. He denied the application, because the applicants were both men. Baker and McConnell sued Nelson, claiming Minnesota law on marriage made no mention of gender. The trial court was not impressed with the argument, agreeing with Nelson. The state Supreme Court agreed with the lower court. When Baker-McConnell went to the U.S. Supreme Court, the couple was rebuffed again."
Timeline of same-sex marriage - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Exactly, thanks. There was no gay marriage, the whole thing about no laws being on the books was a canard, homosexual couples could not marry

Yes because marriage was considered a sacred institution, blessed by God, every church and the community.

The homo lobby thought they could change the disposition and the sacred nature of marriage by shitting on it. Too bad, regardless of how depraved and sacrilegious you are, we will maintain it's a sacrament, and treat it as such. Get the courthouse clerks to bake you a cake.

The history of marriage is nothing like what you believe. If predates your version of faith by centuries but, you probably think life started with Adam and Eve, and God married them.

 

[kaz]

No, you made the claim. I reread the thread and no one said that gay people should be able to refuse serving Christians.

When you said that Christians would object if the law was reversed and I said no, they wouldn't, that was me making the claim. Gotcha. Prove me wrong!!!

This discussion has spanned multiple threads actually and several liberals have made the accusation you did and each one whiffed like you did. If you want to know, why don't you start a thread with a poll? Just don't make it a stupid poll like liberals always do. What about these as the choices?

Would Christians be OK with laws allowing gay businesses to not do business with them if Christian businesses are allowed to not do business with gays?

I am not a Christian, I think Christians would object to that
I am not a Christian, I think Christians would not object to that
I am a Christian, I should be able to discriminate against gays but not the reverse
I am a Christian, I'm good both ways

If you want to know the truth, be sure to set it to display the voters so liberals don't stack the vote

Dude. Your stupid strawman is dismissed.

Gays cannot discriminate against Christians. And no one has said they should be able to do so.

Why shouldn't gays be allowed to discriminate against Christians?

In the RTP area where my business is, the liberal gay community actively boycotts conservatives, they don't even have to be anti-gay

One should fight evil...

People who live in glass houses...

 

[kaz]

And btw, there were no laws against homosexual marriage until the bigots passed them.

So name a gay couple that got married before the courts started ordering States to marry gay couples

These were the first to try, when there were no laws on the books here:

"On May 18, 1970, two University of Minnesota students, Richard John 'Jack' Baker and James Michael McConnell applied to Hennepin County District Court clerk Gerald Nelson for a marriage license. He denied the application, because the applicants were both men. Baker and McConnell sued Nelson, claiming Minnesota law on marriage made no mention of gender. The trial court was not impressed with the argument, agreeing with Nelson. The state Supreme Court agreed with the lower court. When Baker-McConnell went to the U.S. Supreme Court, the couple was rebuffed again."
Timeline of same-sex marriage - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Exactly, thanks. There was no gay marriage, the whole thing about no laws being on the books was a canard, homosexual couples could not marry

Yes because marriage was considered a sacred institution, blessed by God, every church and the community.

The homo lobby thought they could change the disposition and the sacred nature of marriage by shitting on it. Too bad, regardless of how depraved and sacrilegious you are, we will maintain it's a sacrament, and treat it as such. Get the courthouse clerks to bake you a cake.

The history of marriage is nothing like what you believe. If predates your version of faith by centuries but, you probably think life started with Adam and Eve, and God married them.

Government owning marriage is actually a fairly recent phenomenon in the history of civilization

 

[PaintMyHouse]

When you said that Christians would object if the law was reversed and I said no, they wouldn't, that was me making the claim. Gotcha. Prove me wrong!!!

This discussion has spanned multiple threads actually and several liberals have made the accusation you did and each one whiffed like you did. If you want to know, why don't you start a thread with a poll? Just don't make it a stupid poll like liberals always do. What about these as the choices?

Would Christians be OK with laws allowing gay businesses to not do business with them if Christian businesses are allowed to not do business with gays?

I am not a Christian, I think Christians would object to that
I am not a Christian, I think Christians would not object to that
I am a Christian, I should be able to discriminate against gays but not the reverse
I am a Christian, I'm good both ways

If you want to know the truth, be sure to set it to display the voters so liberals don't stack the vote

Dude. Your stupid strawman is dismissed.

Gays cannot discriminate against Christians. And no one has said they should be able to do so.

Why shouldn't gays be allowed to discriminate against Christians?

In the RTP area where my business is, the liberal gay community actively boycotts conservatives, they don't even have to be anti-gay

One should fight evil...

People who live in glass houses...

Unlike them, and you, I understand that most evil is committed by people who believe themselves to be good, when they aren't.

 

[Pop23]

And 145 pages, and these guys are still as clueless as the Whites Only folks, and that why we use the law. That's the only way to fix this when so many still live under rocks.

Their "morality" will have to catch up, as usual.

Comparing a job to a floral arrangement?

Rosa Parks b like......

You serious dude?

The point is the same. It's discrimination against a minority that we fix using the law because people simply won't be decent otherwise.

No, they're nowhere near the same

A job is essential

A floral arrangement is not.

 

[kaz]

But what if all business in their area did that? What if there was no business in their area who would do business with them

That doesn't even remotely say that gays shouldn't have to deal with Christians.

You're right on the quote. I confused it with the other discussion, but you're still wrong, sorry. Liberals tried that and got fine to the point what if gays don't want to deal with them.

I'm not finding those quotes for you, you made the claim, I don't have to prove you wrong

No, you made the claim. I reread the thread and no one said that gay people should be able to refuse serving Christians.

When you said that Christians would object if the law was reversed and I said no, they wouldn't, that was me making the claim. Gotcha. Prove me wrong!!!

This discussion has spanned multiple threads actually and several liberals have made the accusation you did and each one whiffed like you did. If you want to know, why don't you start a thread with a poll? Just don't make it a stupid poll like liberals always do. What about these as the choices?

Would Christians be OK with laws allowing gay businesses to not do business with them if Christian businesses are allowed to not do business with gays?

I am not a Christian, I think Christians would object to that
I am not a Christian, I think Christians would not object to that
I am a Christian, I should be able to discriminate against gays but not the reverse
I am a Christian, I'm good both ways

If you want to know the truth, be sure to set it to display the voters so liberals don't stack the vote

Dude. Your stupid strawman is dismissed.

Gays cannot discriminate against Christians. And no one has said they should be able to do so.

Not true. I say they should be able to...as long as they get to against me. We either get rid of all PA Laws or the anti gay bigots STFU because in some states and localities they ALSO protect gays. (State's rights motherfuckers)

Right, you want validation. Why does anyone you do business with need to know you're gay anyway? Gay PA laws make the least sense. No one knows unless you tell them, which you endlessly need to do

 

[kaz]

Dude. Your stupid strawman is dismissed.

Gays cannot discriminate against Christians. And no one has said they should be able to do so.

Why shouldn't gays be allowed to discriminate against Christians?

In the RTP area where my business is, the liberal gay community actively boycotts conservatives, they don't even have to be anti-gay

One should fight evil...

People who live in glass houses...

Unlike them, and you, I understand that most evil is committed by people who believe themselves to be good, when they aren't.

As I said, people who live in glass houses...

 

[Seawytch]

And 145 pages, and these guys are still as clueless as the Whites Only folks, and that why we use the law. That's the only way to fix this when so many still live under rocks.

Their "morality" will have to catch up, as usual.

Comparing a job to a floral arrangement?

Rosa Parks b like......

You serious dude?

The point is the same. It's discrimination against a minority that we fix using the law because people simply won't be decent otherwise.

No, they're nowhere near the same

A job is essential

A floral arrangement is not.

Pops thinks some businesses should be allowed to be bigots and others not.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

So name a gay couple that got married before the courts started ordering States to marry gay couples

These were the first to try, when there were no laws on the books here:

"On May 18, 1970, two University of Minnesota students, Richard John 'Jack' Baker and James Michael McConnell applied to Hennepin County District Court clerk Gerald Nelson for a marriage license. He denied the application, because the applicants were both men. Baker and McConnell sued Nelson, claiming Minnesota law on marriage made no mention of gender. The trial court was not impressed with the argument, agreeing with Nelson. The state Supreme Court agreed with the lower court. When Baker-McConnell went to the U.S. Supreme Court, the couple was rebuffed again."
Timeline of same-sex marriage - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Exactly, thanks. There was no gay marriage, the whole thing about no laws being on the books was a canard, homosexual couples could not marry

Yes because marriage was considered a sacred institution, blessed by God, every church and the community.

The homo lobby thought they could change the disposition and the sacred nature of marriage by shitting on it. Too bad, regardless of how depraved and sacrilegious you are, we will maintain it's a sacrament, and treat it as such. Get the courthouse clerks to bake you a cake.

The history of marriage is nothing like what you believe. If predates your version of faith by centuries but, you probably think life started with Adam and Eve, and God married them.

Government owning marriage is actually a fairly recent phenomenon in the history of civilization

Yes, but it owns it hook, line, and sinker here which is why we are required to give all citizens as much equality in it as possible. Gay marriage is an obvious step. it's not religion, it's a legally binding contract, from the State.

 

[Pop23]

And 145 pages, and these guys are still as clueless as the Whites Only folks, and that why we use the law. That's the only way to fix this when so many still live under rocks.

Their "morality" will have to catch up, as usual.

Comparing a job to a floral arrangement?

Rosa Parks b like......

You serious dude?

The point is the same. It's discrimination against a minority that we fix using the law because people simply won't be decent otherwise.

No, they're nowhere near the same

A job is essential

A floral arrangement is not.

Pops thinks some businesses should be allowed to be bigots and others not.

Please provide the link to me saying such

 

[Seawytch]

You're right on the quote. I confused it with the other discussion, but you're still wrong, sorry. Liberals tried that and got fine to the point what if gays don't want to deal with them.

I'm not finding those quotes for you, you made the claim, I don't have to prove you wrong

No, you made the claim. I reread the thread and no one said that gay people should be able to refuse serving Christians.

When you said that Christians would object if the law was reversed and I said no, they wouldn't, that was me making the claim. Gotcha. Prove me wrong!!!

This discussion has spanned multiple threads actually and several liberals have made the accusation you did and each one whiffed like you did. If you want to know, why don't you start a thread with a poll? Just don't make it a stupid poll like liberals always do. What about these as the choices?

Would Christians be OK with laws allowing gay businesses to not do business with them if Christian businesses are allowed to not do business with gays?

I am not a Christian, I think Christians would object to that
I am not a Christian, I think Christians would not object to that
I am a Christian, I should be able to discriminate against gays but not the reverse
I am a Christian, I'm good both ways

If you want to know the truth, be sure to set it to display the voters so liberals don't stack the vote

Dude. Your stupid strawman is dismissed.

Gays cannot discriminate against Christians. And no one has said they should be able to do so.

Not true. I say they should be able to...as long as they get to against me. We either get rid of all PA Laws or the anti gay bigots STFU because in some states and localities they ALSO protect gays. (State's rights motherfuckers)

Right, you want validation. Why does anyone you do business with need to know you're gay anyway? Gay PA laws make the least sense. No one knows unless you tell them, which you endlessly need to do

Yup....validation just like you and your LEGAL WIFE have.

No one knows...unless you have dinner with your family and hold hands with your spouse...or live in a small town...or the bigot just perceives you're gay because of the way you dress or talk.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Why shouldn't gays be allowed to discriminate against Christians?

In the RTP area where my business is, the liberal gay community actively boycotts conservatives, they don't even have to be anti-gay

One should fight evil...

People who live in glass houses...

Unlike them, and you, I understand that most evil is committed by people who believe themselves to be good, when they aren't.

As I said, people who live in glass houses...

Just one problem, I don't think of myself as good. I'm not evil either but I can be both. That's where you start from if you really want to see the world clearly.

Here's how this works, when someone says God can only be good, is always good, that's wrong since even in the Bible he does obviously evil acts. God is God, his actions are not limited by concepts such as good and evil. He's God, he can whatever the hell he likes...