Florist Sued for Refusing Service to Gay Couple Pens Defiant Letter Rejecting Gov’t Settlement Offer

And 145 pages, and these guys are still as clueless as the Whites Only folks, and that why we use the law. That's the only way to fix this when so many still live under rocks.
no_irish.jpg

Their "morality" will have to catch up, as usual.


Comparing a job to a floral arrangement?

Rosa Parks b like......

You serious dude?
The point is the same. It's discrimination against a minority that we fix using the law because people simply won't be decent otherwise.

No, they're nowhere near the same

A job is essential

A floral arrangement is not.

Pops thinks some businesses should be allowed to be bigots and others not.
I pretty sure he'd say that all businesses can be bigoted?
 
And 145 pages, and these guys are still as clueless as the Whites Only folks, and that why we use the law. That's the only way to fix this when so many still live under rocks.
no_irish.jpg

Their "morality" will have to catch up, as usual.


Comparing a job to a floral arrangement?

Rosa Parks b like......

You serious dude?
The point is the same. It's discrimination against a minority that we fix using the law because people simply won't be decent otherwise.

No, they're nowhere near the same

A job is essential

A floral arrangement is not.

Pops thinks some businesses should be allowed to be bigots and others not.

Please provide the link to me saying such

You don't? You think the discriminated against should be able to sue over food or flowers equally?
 
lol. she might as well just close up shop, she hasn't a leg to stand on.

Yeah, she thinks she lives in a free country with 1st amendment rights - the fool.
So....she also, because of her 1st amendment rights...doesn't have to serve atheists? Or follow other state business laws? or a variety of other things that businesses have to do to stay in business? Her religion gives her business a pass?
 
Im not sure im into businesses serving people they dont want to by force of the government.

If the theyre known bigots and enough people decide not to shop there as a result, theyll fail.

Thay all said, shes a despicable bigot. **** her

Yeah the homos sure showed Chik Fil La, eh? You idiots never win with that "boycott" BS. There isn't enough of you
Never ever stand between a RWr and their junk food....they get cranky.... - Gandhi.
 
And 145 pages, and these guys are still as clueless as the Whites Only folks, and that why we use the law. That's the only way to fix this when so many still live under rocks.
no_irish.jpg

Their "morality" will have to catch up, as usual.


Comparing a job to a floral arrangement?

Rosa Parks b like......

You serious dude?
The point is the same. It's discrimination against a minority that we fix using the law because people simply won't be decent otherwise.

No, they're nowhere near the same

A job is essential

A floral arrangement is not.

Pops thinks some businesses should be allowed to be bigots and others not.
I pretty sure he'd say that all businesses can be bigoted?

Claiming mind reading abilities is not an argument.
 
There are millions of very small towns in America. Many of them are in states that passed laws against gay marriage. Many of those states have many small towns that have only one store. Only one gas station. Only one post office. What happens if a gay person in one of those towns doesn't have a store that will service them?

Move. You're surrounded by people who hate you to the core. Why would you want to live in such a place?

A store shouldn't be able to deny service to any paying and law abiding person.

So, if I own a bar, I should have no right to refuse service to a drunk person? If I own a gun shop, I should have no right to refuse service to someone who is rambling about how he wants to kill his wife? If I own a hotel, I should have no right to refuse service to someone who appears to be engaged in human trafficking? I have no right to refuse service to someone who is being belligerent, abusive to my employees, and/or disrupting the operation of my business?

So that gay person has to either move to a city or town that does have stores that will service them or that gay person dies of starvation.

There are two problems with everything you are saying. The first is that you continue to argue from fantasy what-ifs that don't reflect reality. You are envisioning a world where every single individual in town so passionately hates the one local homosexual that they want him/her to die. That's absurd.

The second problem is that you've failed to grasp my deeper point, which is that you can't legislatively end homophobia. Even if laws require homophobes to do business with gay people against their own volition, they're still going to be homophobes. But now, their hatred is going to grow deeper. It's better to let society turn them into social lepers. Let society turn their backs on those businesses, let those people feel the pain when they are driven to the brink of bankruptcy when nobody wants to do business with them. That is the only real chance of those people having an actual change of heart.


I didn't read your whole post. The first sentence was so discriminating and ridiculous that I just couldn't go farther.

How is a person going to move if they can't buy gas for their car? The gas station won't sell them gas and they have no other way to get gas. In fact, the person probably doesn't even have a car since no one in their town will sell him one.

Forcing someone to move because they're gay and people won't sell goods or services to them is a violation of the gay person's liberty, freedom, civil and constitutional rights.

I always am sad to see Americans who hate our nation and what it stands for as much to say that certain people don't have the same rights as everyone else and those certain people should move to obtain rights everyone else has.

It's discrimination. I guess you ignored the part of the constitution that says everyone is created equal and everyone must be treated equally under the law.

You might want to go back and read that document. It might clear up all your confusion of what's legal and what's not legal in America.

Finally, I'm disgusted that any American would actually force another American to move only because their civil and constitutional rights are being illegally violated. Do you understand that your suggestion is illegal and unconstitutional?
 
Comparing a job to a floral arrangement?

Rosa Parks b like......

You serious dude?
The point is the same. It's discrimination against a minority that we fix using the law because people simply won't be decent otherwise.

No, they're nowhere near the same

A job is essential

A floral arrangement is not.

Pops thinks some businesses should be allowed to be bigots and others not.
I pretty sure he'd say that all businesses can be bigoted?

Claiming mind reading abilities is not an argument.
Do you disagree? Are there businesses that can't discriminate?
 
Comparing a job to a floral arrangement?

Rosa Parks b like......

You serious dude?
The point is the same. It's discrimination against a minority that we fix using the law because people simply won't be decent otherwise.

No, they're nowhere near the same

A job is essential

A floral arrangement is not.

Pops thinks some businesses should be allowed to be bigots and others not.

Please provide the link to me saying such

You don't? You think the discriminated against should be able to sue over food or flowers equally?

Go back and read how I proposed the florist should have acted at the time of the sales negotiation and after INCLUDING accepting the fine.

Now, I'm waiting on the link.
 
There are millions of very small towns in America. Many of them are in states that passed laws against gay marriage. Many of those states have many small towns that have only one store. Only one gas station. Only one post office. What happens if a gay person in one of those towns doesn't have a store that will service them?

Move. You're surrounded by people who hate you to the core. Why would you want to live in such a place?

A store shouldn't be able to deny service to any paying and law abiding person.

So, if I own a bar, I should have no right to refuse service to a drunk person? If I own a gun shop, I should have no right to refuse service to someone who is rambling about how he wants to kill his wife? If I own a hotel, I should have no right to refuse service to someone who appears to be engaged in human trafficking? I have no right to refuse service to someone who is being belligerent, abusive to my employees, and/or disrupting the operation of my business?

So that gay person has to either move to a city or town that does have stores that will service them or that gay person dies of starvation.

There are two problems with everything you are saying. The first is that you continue to argue from fantasy what-ifs that don't reflect reality. You are envisioning a world where every single individual in town so passionately hates the one local homosexual that they want him/her to die. That's absurd.

The second problem is that you've failed to grasp my deeper point, which is that you can't legislatively end homophobia. Even if laws require homophobes to do business with gay people against their own volition, they're still going to be homophobes. But now, their hatred is going to grow deeper. It's better to let society turn them into social lepers. Let society turn their backs on those businesses, let those people feel the pain when they are driven to the brink of bankruptcy when nobody wants to do business with them. That is the only real chance of those people having an actual change of heart.


I didn't read your whole post. The first sentence was so discriminating and ridiculous that I just couldn't go farther.

How is a person going to move if they can't buy gas for their car? The gas station won't sell them gas and they have no other way to get gas. In fact, the person probably doesn't even have a car since no one in their town will sell him one.

Forcing someone to move because they're gay and people won't sell goods or services to them is a violation of the gay person's liberty, freedom, civil and constitutional rights.

I always am sad to see Americans who hate our nation and what it stands for as much to say that certain people don't have the same rights as everyone else and those certain people should move to obtain rights everyone else has.

It's discrimination. I guess you ignored the part of the constitution that says everyone is created equal and everyone must be treated equally under the law.

You might want to go back and read that document. It might clear up all your confusion of what's legal and what's not legal in America.

Finally, I'm disgusted that any American would actually force another American to move only because their civil and constitutional rights are being illegally violated. Do you understand that your suggestion is illegal and unconstitutional?

People move, if they don't, they die. This is one of the recurring theme of humanity. It's a matter of survival. If you can't survive where you are, you move where you can survive.

It's why our grandparents settled the West, and the reason California's population swelled in the 30s.
 
The point is the same. It's discrimination against a minority that we fix using the law because people simply won't be decent otherwise.

No, they're nowhere near the same

A job is essential

A floral arrangement is not.

Pops thinks some businesses should be allowed to be bigots and others not.

Please provide the link to me saying such

You don't? You think the discriminated against should be able to sue over food or flowers equally?

Go back and read how I proposed the florist should have acted at the time of the sales negotiation and after INCLUDING accepting the fine.

Now, I'm waiting on the link.

Then why keep harping that it was "only flowers"? You keep intimating that there should different punishments if you own a grocery store and hate the gays or a flower shop and hate the gays. If you don't believe that, you shouldn't keep implying it.
 
It just flabbergasts me how queers think that not only are we obligated to tolerate them...we're supposed to support and celebrate the way they have sex as well.

IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Nope...just sell us the same product you sell everyone else in places that LOCAL law require you to.
 
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It just flabbergasts me how queers think that not only are we obligated to tolerate them...we're supposed to support and celebrate the way they have sex as well.

IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Well it flabbergasts you whenever you make crap up- you live in a perpetual state of flabbergastion.
 
No, they're nowhere near the same

A job is essential

A floral arrangement is not.

Pops thinks some businesses should be allowed to be bigots and others not.

Please provide the link to me saying such

You don't? You think the discriminated against should be able to sue over food or flowers equally?

Go back and read how I proposed the florist should have acted at the time of the sales negotiation and after INCLUDING accepting the fine.

Now, I'm waiting on the link.

Then why keep harping that it was "only flowers"? You keep intimating that there should different punishments if you own a grocery store and hate the gays or a flower shop and hate the gays. If you don't believe that, you shouldn't keep implying it.

No I'm laughing at people trying to make a floral arrangement, or the lack there of, a life changing event.

I said earlier that the florist, the baker, the photographer should have simply objected on religious grounds, but since the law is the law, supply the services and inform the customer that all profits of that sale would be donated to the most radical non profit fighting same sex marriage.

The ball is now in the customers court.

Seems a win/win to me.
 
Once again- here is Washington State law. This is the law that is being enforced.

Do you think the whole law is wrong- or only when the law is enforced regarding discrimination based upon sexual orientation?

RCW 49.60.030
Freedom from discrimination — Declaration of civil rights.
(1)The right to be free from discrimination because of
race,
creed,
color,
national origin,
sex,
honorably discharged veteran or military status,
sexual orientation, or the
presence of any sensory, mental, or physical disability or the use of a trained dog guide or service animal by a person with a disability

is recognized as and declared to be a civil right. This right shall include, but not be limited to:
 
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