Florist Sued for Refusing Service to Gay Couple Pens Defiant Letter Rejecting Gov’t Settlement Offer

[Katzndogz]

"...In a blow to Native Americans — whose religious traditions predate the U.S. Constitution — the Supreme Court ruled 6-3 on April 17, that there is no constitutional right to use peyote as part of religious rituals. Peyote, which contains the hallucinogenic drug mescaline, is a central part of Indian religious ritual. The federal government and 23 states permit peyote to be used for that purpose.
"....Justice Antonin Scalia, in writing for the majority, said that the First Amendment freedom of religion does not allow individuals t o break the law: "We have never held that an individual's beliefs excuse him from compliance with an otherwise valid law prohibiting conduct that the state is free to regulate." He said it would be "courting anarchy" to create exceptions every time a religious group claims that a law infringes on its practices.
"The dissenting justices, William J. Brennan Jr., Thurgood Marshall, and Harry A. Blackmun, called the decision "sweeping" and "a wholesale overturning of settled law concerning the religion clauses in our Constitution." The three dissenters were joined by Justice Sandra Day O'Connor in one aspect of their opinion. The four agreed that the majority's approach "dramatically departs from well-settled First Amendment jurisprudence...and is incompatible with our nation's fundamental commitment to individual re ligious liberty."

^^^That's where the law went bad.

Court strikes a blow to religious freedom
We are not obliged to abide by bad laws put in place by arbitrary judicial legislation. It needs to be changed.

Thanks for stealing my post from 5 pages ago lazygrl koshergrl

Gawd but socons are lazy

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As a result of this decision Bill Clinton signed the Religious freedom restoration act into law.

 

[Nosmo King]

Lol. Follow the law or go to jail Fatty. I can't believe that I had to tell you that

Not if the law violates our rights. I'm not at all surprised I had to tell you that.

You have the right to keep Homosexual's out of your church, but not your business.

I am an American Scamp... I have the right to do business with anyone I want... and to not do business with anyone I do not want.

Because that is my right, I do not ask your permission to exercise it... and I will not consent to any would-be authority who presumes to require I must.

How did that work out for the lunch counters at Woolworth's?

 

[HenryBHough]

Government seems hell-bent on creating martyrs.

Let's hope they don't take the approach so favoured by Obama's ISIS buddies and start welding up a cage......

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Lol. Follow the law or go to jail Fatty. I can't believe that I had to tell you that

Not if the law violates our rights. I'm not at all surprised I had to tell you that.

You have the right to keep Homosexual's out of your church, but not your business.

I am an American Scamp... I have the right to do business with anyone I want... and to not do business with anyone I do not want.

Because that is my right, I do not ask your permission to exercise it... and I will not consent to any would-be authority who presumes to require I must.

How did that work out for the lunch counters at Woolworth's?

Worked out great. Why do ya ask?

 

[bodecea]

Government seems hell-bent on creating martyrs.

Let's hope they don't take the approach so favoured by Obama's ISIS buddies and start welding up a cage......

Oh yes. Martyrs.

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

Why - exactly - do people still let themselves get so wound up by the people with politicians from the other party painted over as clowns for their avatars? I can barely bring myself to take these people seriously. It's kind of sad to watch how easy it is for them to get to people. -.-

 

[bodecea]

Why - exactly - do people still let themselves get so wound up by the people with politicians from the other party painted over as clowns for their avatars? I can barely bring myself to take these people seriously. It's kind of sad to watch how easy it is for them to get to people. -.-

They're martyrs.........................

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

""The attorney general's targeting of Barronelle was unprecedented," Waggoner said. "He has had 18 months to end the threat to our client's freedom and livelihood. It is interesting that this offer only materialized after his crusade to ruin this 70-year-old grandmother was exposed nationally."

Florist Who Refused to Do Flowers for Gay Wedding to Appeal - ABC News

There are a lot of very bigoted Leftist attorneys general across the country, the Duke Lacrosse scandal being a good example. Most attorneys general use prosecutorial discretion to avoid witch hunts and the application of the law where no real harm was done. But then there is a special kind of asshole who uses every power of their office to crucify people they consider to be ideological foes. This is one of them.

No real harm? The gay couple was humiliated and degraded because of the relationship they engage in. Harm does not have to be physical.

Right. They were immediately seen by someone else. They are real martyrs alright.

 

[Dot Com]

This *cough* "long-time" poster sure gets the resident SOCONS really wound-up

 

[TemplarKormac]

Lol. Follow the law or go to jail Fatty. I can't believe that I had to tell you that

Not if the law violates our rights. I'm not at all surprised I had to tell you that.

You have the right to keep Homosexual's out of your church, but not your business.

But what about PA laws? Churches are open to the public are they not? Why the exception?

Do you see the paradox here? If people in the church can allow anyone they choose into the sanctuary, so too can a deeply religious business owner serve whom he chooses to come into his establishment. Logic.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Er..they didn't disrupt it. They tried to opt out of participating. But dumbass wahoo queers want them to be FORCED to participate.

Participate how? As guests? Participate in the wedding ceremony? We're they asked to check out the gift registry? We're they expected to give away the bride? We're they in the reception line?

Nope. They were asked to make floral arraignments. That's not participation. It is, in fact , a florist's stock in trade, no matter how much paranoid hyperbole you want to ladle on.

They were asked to create floral arrangements (and place them) for a ceremony they believe is sacrilege.
They can't be compelled to do so. There's no law in the world that could compel them to do so. If there is, it's a bad law.

A bad law that helps eliminate discrimination? Okay, I'll play in your ballpark.

A sect of Christianity that preaches you must NOT love your neighbor as you would love yourself. That's a bad religion.

It doesn't eliminate discrimination, it enables it.

What color is the sky I your world?

What version of spelling do you use in your world?

 

[Syriusly]

Government seems hell-bent on creating martyrs.

Let's hope they don't take the approach so favoured by Obama's ISIS buddies and start welding up a cage......

Wow I hope I never become a friend of Obama's- I would hate to have American bombers and drones dropping bombs on me.....

 

[Syriusly]

Lol. Follow the law or go to jail Fatty. I can't believe that I had to tell you that

Not if the law violates our rights. I'm not at all surprised I had to tell you that.

You have the right to keep Homosexual's out of your church, but not your business.

But what about PA laws? Churches are open to the public are they not? Why the exception?

Do you see the paradox here? If people in the church can allow anyone they choose into the sanctuary, so too can a deeply religious business owner serve whom he chooses to come into his establishment. Logic.

Churches are not business's
Business's are not church's.

Business's pay taxes.
Church's don't.

Business's are subject to PA laws.
Churches are exempt from PA laws.

Not really hard to understand.

 

[Syriusly]

In a Muslim country with sharia law, gays would be stoned to death. Not denied service out of conscience, like we should grant in a free country. .

Why do you think that Christians should be exempt from the law in the United States?

You do realize don't you that Muslims' stone homosexuals because they believe that is what God wants them to do?

 

[Syriusly]

"...I
Court strikes a blow to religious freedom
We are not obliged to abide by bad laws put in place by arbitrary judicial legislation. It needs to be changed.

'arbitrary judicial legislation'?

The Supreme Court upheld the law as passed by Congress as constitutional.

You are actually objecting to the Supreme Court upholding Federal law- which you think constittutes 'arbitrary judicial legislation'........

 

[Syriusly]

Lol. Follow the law or go to jail Fatty. I can't believe that I had to tell you that

Not if the law violates our rights. I'm not at all surprised I had to tell you that.

No American is obligated to follow unjust laws.
.

True- but American's who dont' follow the law by calling them unjust can look forward to going to jail.

Just look at those who claim the income tax is 'unjust'.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Lol. Follow the law or go to jail Fatty. I can't believe that I had to tell you that

Not if the law violates our rights. I'm not at all surprised I had to tell you that.

You have the right to keep Homosexual's out of your church, but not your business.

But what about PA laws? Churches are open to the public are they not? Why the exception?

Do you see the paradox here? If people in the church can allow anyone they choose into the sanctuary, so too can a deeply religious business owner serve whom he chooses to come into his establishment. Logic.

Churches are not business's
Business's are not church's.

Business's pay taxes.
Church's don't.

Business's are subject to PA laws.
Churches are exempt from PA laws.

Not really hard to understand.

They both serve the public.

Not really hard to notice.

 

[Syriusly]

A bad law that helps eliminate discrimination? Okay, I'll play in your ballpark.

A sect of Christianity that preaches you must NOT love your neighbor as you would love yourself. That's a bad religion.

It doesn't eliminate discrimination, it enables it.

What color is the sky I your world?

The color of reality, and truth.

Then tell us how public accommodation laws enable discrimination. The florist's right to practice her religion is not impacted by making floral arraignments. Must she personally know every peccadillo of her clients? If all she saw was an order slip, she would, no doubt ply her trade and not suffer any adverse harm to her religion.

This ***** is a bigot and hiding behind the Bible for cover.

If she is a Christian, would you think it askance that, in her 'church' the doctrine is "Do not love your neighbor as yourself"? Can religion protect slave holders? God knows they tried the same tactics. Can religion protect people who do not want to trade with Blacks?

Her's is a shallow religion. A religion without love, understanding and compassion. Hardly Christian by any measure.

By allowing the state to persecute people based on their faith.
.

Nope- the state is suing a business owner for violating the law.

The same law applies regardless of the faith- or lack of faith of the business owner.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Lol. Follow the law or go to jail Fatty. I can't believe that I had to tell you that

Not if the law violates our rights. I'm not at all surprised I had to tell you that.

No American is obligated to follow unjust laws.
.

True- but American's who dont' follow the law by calling them unjust can look forward to going to jail.

Just look at those who claim the income tax is 'unjust'.

So, are you implying someone who 'discriminates' against a gay couple based on their religious beliefs should be sent to jail?

Color me not surprised.

 

[Syriusly]

Lol. Follow the law or go to jail Fatty. I can't believe that I had to tell you that

Not if the law violates our rights. I'm not at all surprised I had to tell you that.

You have the right to keep Homosexual's out of your church, but not your business.

But what about PA laws? Churches are open to the public are they not? Why the exception?

Do you see the paradox here? If people in the church can allow anyone they choose into the sanctuary, so too can a deeply religious business owner serve whom he chooses to come into his establishment. Logic.

Churches are not business's
Business's are not church's.

Business's pay taxes.
Church's don't.

Business's are subject to PA laws.
Churches are exempt from PA laws.

Not really hard to understand.

They both serve the public.

Not really hard to notice.

No- really they don't.

Churches can 'serve the public'- or restrict the church to anyone that they want. Mormons restrict actual admission to their temples to full members of the church. Catholics restrict the sacrament to members of the Church.

Anyway- business's are distinct from church's- not my problem if you can't understand that.