Finally, Israel and Palestine is a US election issue.

[Andylusion]

But here we are in an American election year and Bernie Sanders is calling for a more “even-handed” approach to the Palestinians; Vice President Joe Biden has expressed his “overwhelming frustration” with Benjamin Netanyahu; even Hillary Clinton – who, of course, is going to be the next US President – has managed (just) to refer to “damaging actions” by Israel, “including with respect to settlements”.

Not exactly earth-shattering stuff, and they’ve all uttered the usual prayers. America is committed to Israel’s security which is “non-negotiable” (Clinton) and the US is Israel’s “only absolute friend” (Biden). The future President Clinton picked up 56 rounds of applause when she addressed Aipac, Israel’s most powerful lobbyists, in New York last month – that’s 18 more rounds than Netanyahu got when he addressed Congress a year ago, but he also received 23 standing ovations from the would-be Knesset members who represent American voters.

Let’s not get romantic. La Clinton even offered “a new 10-year defence memorandum of understanding” with Israel to Aipac, made the usual references to “Palestinian terrorists” and “Iran’s continued aggression”, and repeated the mantra that “Israel and America are seen as a light unto the nations” – albeit not, perhaps, unto the Palestinian ‘nation’.

“I would vigorously oppose any attempt by outside parties,” she announced, “to impose a solution, including by the UN Security Council”. In other words, goodbye to UN Security Council Resolution 242 – Israeli withdrawal from territories occupied in 1967 – which was supposed to be the foundation stone of the whole wretched peace process.

Yet the shift in emphasis is clearly there. Sanders is Jewish – his father was an immigrant from eastern Europe – and most of his family died in the Nazi Holocaust. You might expect he would try to outgun Hillary in her support for Israel. Yet he accused her of devoting “only one sentence... that even mentioned the Palestinian people” in her Aipac hug-in, only “one line on the Palestinian people”.

This was not strictly accurate, although a close reading of La Clinton’s text shows that her references to Palestinians were more in the form of an appendage to Israeli security than a denunciation of Palestinian “suffering” – a word that Sanders has actually used about the occupied Arabs of Palestine.

Bernie believes “Israel must have the right to exist in peace and security, just as the Palestinians must have the right to a homeland in which they and they alone control their political system and their economy”. To that extent, it’s the usual stuff: no mention of Palestinian security – that will be left to Israel – but they can do what they like inside their pathetic little “homeland”.

Robert Fisk: Finally, Israel and Palestine is a US election issue. It's about time
who knows what might happen?

Doesn't matter. The " 67 Borders" and " Right of Return" isn't going to happen.

You know I don't support Israel because of some magic perfection found in Jews. I don't support them because I think they have been absolutely perfect in everything they do.

Have the Israelis done things that were wrong? Did the sun rise this morning?

Name a country that has never done anything wrong, ever?

However, that doesn't change the fact it's their land, and their nation, and they should be able to defend themselves.

I support Israel.

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a trick question. Every time you ask it, it starts off the same way. NO ONE denied any of the basic rights to the Arab Palestinians. Remembering, of course, that the actual Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is not law. It was adopted in December 1948, but several attempts to bring it into law as a Convention in the same way as the companion International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) were
Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession.

Having said that, clearly the Arab Palestinians have exercised their right of self-determination several times since the release from the Enemy Occupied Territory Administration. Even today, the UN does not consider the Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territory.

Palestine is a territory defined by international borders. The Palestinians are the normal residents and citizens of the land.

You have never been able to explain, other than some foreign criminals wanting to steal their land, how the Palestinians became exempt from universal rights.

(COMMENT)

At the current time, there is no Palestinian territories that has valid international defined borders. While there were the Demarcations associated with the former Mandate that terminated in 1948, those are historical and not internationally defined. But since they were surveyed, Lebanon and Syria still use them relative to the Armistice Lines, which are not borders.

The remainder of the international boundaries for Israel, are defined by treaties. The UN and the International community in general, consider the reaffirmation of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their "State of Palestine" (alla 1988) on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967; when the General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine ‘Non-Member Observer State’ Status in United Nations.

The Arab Palestinians can be considered "normal residents and citizens of the land," as you've stated. But that does not change the intent of the Ottoman Sovereign in 1888 (in the previous posting). And next year, the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917, will be a century old.

Finally, it should be remembered that the right of self-determination can be exercised in the negative direction as well as the positive direct. The Arab Palestinians exercised their right of self-determination several times:

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.

• Of course the Arab Community declined to participate in the Partition Plan; including the establishment of an additional Arab State.

• The Palestinians voted in the Jordanian Parliament to the ascend to the Annexation.

• The Palestinians adopted both the 1993 and 1995 Oslo Accords.

* The Palestinians chose to recognize the State of Israel, but no the Jewish State as outlined in the Partition Plan.
​

This is just a thumbnail look at the issues, in a set of broad brush strokes.

Most Respectfully,
R

1. Prior to 1923 there were no such proposals that you mention. There were attempts to get the non-Jews to accept virtually no self-Government and a Jewish veto until enough Jews good be transferred to Palestine to overcome the large majority that the non-Jews represented in Palestine.

2. With a third of the non-Jewish population placed in the Jewish zone, of course the Palestinians could not accept partition which would divide their people and subject that third to Jewish rule. That would have been irresponsible.

3. Netanyahu put an end to the Oslo Accords. He is caught on video admitting as much.

4. The Palestinians recognizing Israel would be equivalent to the non-whites recognizing white-ruled South Africa.

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a trick question. Every time you ask it, it starts off the same way. NO ONE denied any of the basic rights to the Arab Palestinians. Remembering, of course, that the actual Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is not law. It was adopted in December 1948, but several attempts to bring it into law as a Convention in the same way as the companion International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) were
Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession.

Having said that, clearly the Arab Palestinians have exercised their right of self-determination several times since the release from the Enemy Occupied Territory Administration. Even today, the UN does not consider the Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territory.

Palestine is a territory defined by international borders. The Palestinians are the normal residents and citizens of the land.

You have never been able to explain, other than some foreign criminals wanting to steal their land, how the Palestinians became exempt from universal rights.

(COMMENT)

At the current time, there is no Palestinian territories that has valid international defined borders. While there were the Demarcations associated with the former Mandate that terminated in 1948, those are historical and not internationally defined. But since they were surveyed, Lebanon and Syria still use them relative to the Armistice Lines, which are not borders.

The remainder of the international boundaries for Israel, are defined by treaties. The UN and the International community in general, consider the reaffirmation of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their "State of Palestine" (alla 1988) on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967; when the General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine ‘Non-Member Observer State’ Status in United Nations.

The Arab Palestinians can be considered "normal residents and citizens of the land," as you've stated. But that does not change the intent of the Ottoman Sovereign in 1888 (in the previous posting). And next year, the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917, will be a century old.

Finally, it should be remembered that the right of self-determination can be exercised in the negative direction as well as the positive direct. The Arab Palestinians exercised their right of self-determination several times:

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.

• Of course the Arab Community declined to participate in the Partition Plan; including the establishment of an additional Arab State.

• The Palestinians voted in the Jordanian Parliament to the ascend to the Annexation.

• The Palestinians adopted both the 1993 and 1995 Oslo Accords.

* The Palestinians chose to recognize the State of Israel, but no the Jewish State as outlined in the Partition Plan.
​

This is just a thumbnail look at the issues, in a set of broad brush strokes.

Most Respectfully,
R

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.​

Indeed, the Palestinians did not want to legitimize the colonial project.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a trick question. Every time you ask it, it starts off the same way. NO ONE denied any of the basic rights to the Arab Palestinians. Remembering, of course, that the actual Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is not law. It was adopted in December 1948, but several attempts to bring it into law as a Convention in the same way as the companion International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) were
Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession.

Having said that, clearly the Arab Palestinians have exercised their right of self-determination several times since the release from the Enemy Occupied Territory Administration. Even today, the UN does not consider the Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territory.

Palestine is a territory defined by international borders. The Palestinians are the normal residents and citizens of the land.

You have never been able to explain, other than some foreign criminals wanting to steal their land, how the Palestinians became exempt from universal rights.

(COMMENT)

At the current time, there is no Palestinian territories that has valid international defined borders. While there were the Demarcations associated with the former Mandate that terminated in 1948, those are historical and not internationally defined. But since they were surveyed, Lebanon and Syria still use them relative to the Armistice Lines, which are not borders.

The remainder of the international boundaries for Israel, are defined by treaties. The UN and the International community in general, consider the reaffirmation of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their "State of Palestine" (alla 1988) on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967; when the General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine ‘Non-Member Observer State’ Status in United Nations.

The Arab Palestinians can be considered "normal residents and citizens of the land," as you've stated. But that does not change the intent of the Ottoman Sovereign in 1888 (in the previous posting). And next year, the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917, will be a century old.

Finally, it should be remembered that the right of self-determination can be exercised in the negative direction as well as the positive direct. The Arab Palestinians exercised their right of self-determination several times:

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.

• Of course the Arab Community declined to participate in the Partition Plan; including the establishment of an additional Arab State.

• The Palestinians voted in the Jordanian Parliament to the ascend to the Annexation.

• The Palestinians adopted both the 1993 and 1995 Oslo Accords.

* The Palestinians chose to recognize the State of Israel, but no the Jewish State as outlined in the Partition Plan.
​

This is just a thumbnail look at the issues, in a set of broad brush strokes.

Most Respectfully,
R

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.​

Indeed, the Palestinians did not want to legitimize the colonial project.

Indeed, there were no 'Pal'istanians.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Not the case in November, 1923. Your ipso facto'ing nonsense is just so much silly cutting and pasting.

Check a calendar. 1923 came before 1925.

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a trick question. Every time you ask it, it starts off the same way. NO ONE denied any of the basic rights to the Arab Palestinians. Remembering, of course, that the actual Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is not law. It was adopted in December 1948, but several attempts to bring it into law as a Convention in the same way as the companion International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) were
Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession.

Having said that, clearly the Arab Palestinians have exercised their right of self-determination several times since the release from the Enemy Occupied Territory Administration. Even today, the UN does not consider the Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territory.

Palestine is a territory defined by international borders. The Palestinians are the normal residents and citizens of the land.

You have never been able to explain, other than some foreign criminals wanting to steal their land, how the Palestinians became exempt from universal rights.

(COMMENT)

At the current time, there is no Palestinian territories that has valid international defined borders. While there were the Demarcations associated with the former Mandate that terminated in 1948, those are historical and not internationally defined. But since they were surveyed, Lebanon and Syria still use them relative to the Armistice Lines, which are not borders.

The remainder of the international boundaries for Israel, are defined by treaties. The UN and the International community in general, consider the reaffirmation of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their "State of Palestine" (alla 1988) on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967; when the General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine ‘Non-Member Observer State’ Status in United Nations.

The Arab Palestinians can be considered "normal residents and citizens of the land," as you've stated. But that does not change the intent of the Ottoman Sovereign in 1888 (in the previous posting). And next year, the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917, will be a century old.

Finally, it should be remembered that the right of self-determination can be exercised in the negative direction as well as the positive direct. The Arab Palestinians exercised their right of self-determination several times:

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.

• Of course the Arab Community declined to participate in the Partition Plan; including the establishment of an additional Arab State.

• The Palestinians voted in the Jordanian Parliament to the ascend to the Annexation.

• The Palestinians adopted both the 1993 and 1995 Oslo Accords.

* The Palestinians chose to recognize the State of Israel, but no the Jewish State as outlined in the Partition Plan.
​

This is just a thumbnail look at the issues, in a set of broad brush strokes.

Most Respectfully,
R

1. Prior to 1923 there were no such proposals that you mention. There were attempts to get the non-Jews to accept virtually no self-Government and a Jewish veto until enough Jews good be transferred to Palestine to overcome the large majority that the non-Jews represented in Palestine.

2. With a third of the non-Jewish population placed in the Jewish zone, of course the Palestinians could not accept partition which would divide their people and subject that third to Jewish rule. That would have been irresponsible.

3. Netanyahu put an end to the Oslo Accords. He is caught on video admitting as much.

4. The Palestinians recognizing Israel would be equivalent to the non-whites recognizing white-ruled South Africa.

Except that there were no Pal'istanians.

 

[montelatici]

Of course there were Palestinians, that's who the people of Palestine were. Would there be a passport that the Mandatory issued that stated that the citizenship of a person was Palestinian citizen if there were no Palestinians you silly little ignoramus.

 

[Hollie]

Of course there were Palestinians, that's who the people of Palestine were. Would there be a passport that the Mandatory issued that stated that the citizenship of a person was Palestinian citizen if there were no Palestinians you silly little ignoramus.

Did you bother to read that cut and paste? It was issued by the British. Can you guess why?


"Pal'istanian citizenship order". Another name for Mandate Palestine" or a couple of other labels.

Continually befuddled, eh?

 

[Kondor3]

The so-called 'campaign issue' will have evaporated within a week or two of the party conventions.

The winning nominee from each party will loudly proclaim the indestructible bond between the United States and Israel.

But it IS funny to watch Palestinian and Muslim Terrorist apologists get all worked up over the prospect, until the other shoe drops.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a trick question. Every time you ask it, it starts off the same way. NO ONE denied any of the basic rights to the Arab Palestinians. Remembering, of course, that the actual Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is not law. It was adopted in December 1948, but several attempts to bring it into law as a Convention in the same way as the companion International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) were
Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession.

Having said that, clearly the Arab Palestinians have exercised their right of self-determination several times since the release from the Enemy Occupied Territory Administration. Even today, the UN does not consider the Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territory.

Palestine is a territory defined by international borders. The Palestinians are the normal residents and citizens of the land.

You have never been able to explain, other than some foreign criminals wanting to steal their land, how the Palestinians became exempt from universal rights.

(COMMENT)

At the current time, there is no Palestinian territories that has valid international defined borders. While there were the Demarcations associated with the former Mandate that terminated in 1948, those are historical and not internationally defined. But since they were surveyed, Lebanon and Syria still use them relative to the Armistice Lines, which are not borders.

The remainder of the international boundaries for Israel, are defined by treaties. The UN and the International community in general, consider the reaffirmation of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their "State of Palestine" (alla 1988) on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967; when the General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine ‘Non-Member Observer State’ Status in United Nations.

The Arab Palestinians can be considered "normal residents and citizens of the land," as you've stated. But that does not change the intent of the Ottoman Sovereign in 1888 (in the previous posting). And next year, the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917, will be a century old.

Finally, it should be remembered that the right of self-determination can be exercised in the negative direction as well as the positive direct. The Arab Palestinians exercised their right of self-determination several times:

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.

• Of course the Arab Community declined to participate in the Partition Plan; including the establishment of an additional Arab State.

• The Palestinians voted in the Jordanian Parliament to the ascend to the Annexation.

• The Palestinians adopted both the 1993 and 1995 Oslo Accords.

* The Palestinians chose to recognize the State of Israel, but no the Jewish State as outlined in the Partition Plan.
​

This is just a thumbnail look at the issues, in a set of broad brush strokes.

Most Respectfully,
R

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.​

Indeed, the Palestinians did not want to legitimize the colonial project.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a trick question. Every time you ask it, it starts off the same way. NO ONE denied any of the basic rights to the Arab Palestinians. Remembering, of course, that the actual Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is not law. It was adopted in December 1948, but several attempts to bring it into law as a Convention in the same way as the companion International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) were
Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession.

Having said that, clearly the Arab Palestinians have exercised their right of self-determination several times since the release from the Enemy Occupied Territory Administration. Even today, the UN does not consider the Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territory.

Palestine is a territory defined by international borders. The Palestinians are the normal residents and citizens of the land.

You have never been able to explain, other than some foreign criminals wanting to steal their land, how the Palestinians became exempt from universal rights.

(COMMENT)

At the current time, there is no Palestinian territories that has valid international defined borders. While there were the Demarcations associated with the former Mandate that terminated in 1948, those are historical and not internationally defined. But since they were surveyed, Lebanon and Syria still use them relative to the Armistice Lines, which are not borders.

The remainder of the international boundaries for Israel, are defined by treaties. The UN and the International community in general, consider the reaffirmation of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their "State of Palestine" (alla 1988) on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967; when the General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine ‘Non-Member Observer State’ Status in United Nations.

The Arab Palestinians can be considered "normal residents and citizens of the land," as you've stated. But that does not change the intent of the Ottoman Sovereign in 1888 (in the previous posting). And next year, the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917, will be a century old.

Finally, it should be remembered that the right of self-determination can be exercised in the negative direction as well as the positive direct. The Arab Palestinians exercised their right of self-determination several times:

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.

• Of course the Arab Community declined to participate in the Partition Plan; including the establishment of an additional Arab State.

• The Palestinians voted in the Jordanian Parliament to the ascend to the Annexation.

• The Palestinians adopted both the 1993 and 1995 Oslo Accords.

* The Palestinians chose to recognize the State of Israel, but no the Jewish State as outlined in the Partition Plan.
​

This is just a thumbnail look at the issues, in a set of broad brush strokes.

Most Respectfully,
R

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.​

Indeed, the Palestinians did not want to legitimize the colonial project.

Indeed, there were no 'Pal'istanians.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Not the case in November, 1923. Your ipso facto'ing nonsense is just so much silly cutting and pasting.

Check a calendar. 1923 came before 1925.

So?

Palestinians became Palestinian citizens by international law upon the signing of the Treaty of Lausanne and was reiterated by domestic law in 1925.

There is no contradiction here. The domestic law merely followed international law.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Of course there were Palestinians, that's who the people of Palestine were. Would there be a passport that the Mandatory issued that stated that the citizenship of a person was Palestinian citizen if there were no Palestinians you silly little ignoramus.

Did you bother to read that cut and paste? It was issued by the British. Can you guess why?


"Pal'istanian citizenship order". Another name for Mandate Palestine" or a couple of other labels.

Continually befuddled, eh?

You are the one who is confused. Britain was the trustee assigned to Palestine. It was their responsibility to facilitate the travel of those under its trust.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a trick question. Every time you ask it, it starts off the same way. NO ONE denied any of the basic rights to the Arab Palestinians. Remembering, of course, that the actual Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is not law. It was adopted in December 1948, but several attempts to bring it into law as a Convention in the same way as the companion International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) were
Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession.

Having said that, clearly the Arab Palestinians have exercised their right of self-determination several times since the release from the Enemy Occupied Territory Administration. Even today, the UN does not consider the Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territory.

Palestine is a territory defined by international borders. The Palestinians are the normal residents and citizens of the land.

You have never been able to explain, other than some foreign criminals wanting to steal their land, how the Palestinians became exempt from universal rights.

(COMMENT)

At the current time, there is no Palestinian territories that has valid international defined borders. While there were the Demarcations associated with the former Mandate that terminated in 1948, those are historical and not internationally defined. But since they were surveyed, Lebanon and Syria still use them relative to the Armistice Lines, which are not borders.

The remainder of the international boundaries for Israel, are defined by treaties. The UN and the International community in general, consider the reaffirmation of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their "State of Palestine" (alla 1988) on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967; when the General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine ‘Non-Member Observer State’ Status in United Nations.

The Arab Palestinians can be considered "normal residents and citizens of the land," as you've stated. But that does not change the intent of the Ottoman Sovereign in 1888 (in the previous posting). And next year, the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917, will be a century old.

Finally, it should be remembered that the right of self-determination can be exercised in the negative direction as well as the positive direct. The Arab Palestinians exercised their right of self-determination several times:

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.

• Of course the Arab Community declined to participate in the Partition Plan; including the establishment of an additional Arab State.

• The Palestinians voted in the Jordanian Parliament to the ascend to the Annexation.

• The Palestinians adopted both the 1993 and 1995 Oslo Accords.

* The Palestinians chose to recognize the State of Israel, but no the Jewish State as outlined in the Partition Plan.
​

This is just a thumbnail look at the issues, in a set of broad brush strokes.

Most Respectfully,
R

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.​

Indeed, the Palestinians did not want to legitimize the colonial project.

And in doing so did just that, or are you too stupid to see that this was the case. They refuse to cooperate with the UN and they lost 50% of what could have been theirs. They carried on refusing to cooperate and lost even more of what could have been theirs. Think about these facts that fly in your face the Palestinians face losing everything in the long run because they don't want to cooperate with anyone, not even themselves.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a trick question. Every time you ask it, it starts off the same way. NO ONE denied any of the basic rights to the Arab Palestinians. Remembering, of course, that the actual Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is not law. It was adopted in December 1948, but several attempts to bring it into law as a Convention in the same way as the companion International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) were
Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession.

Having said that, clearly the Arab Palestinians have exercised their right of self-determination several times since the release from the Enemy Occupied Territory Administration. Even today, the UN does not consider the Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territory.

Palestine is a territory defined by international borders. The Palestinians are the normal residents and citizens of the land.

You have never been able to explain, other than some foreign criminals wanting to steal their land, how the Palestinians became exempt from universal rights.

(COMMENT)

At the current time, there is no Palestinian territories that has valid international defined borders. While there were the Demarcations associated with the former Mandate that terminated in 1948, those are historical and not internationally defined. But since they were surveyed, Lebanon and Syria still use them relative to the Armistice Lines, which are not borders.

The remainder of the international boundaries for Israel, are defined by treaties. The UN and the International community in general, consider the reaffirmation of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their "State of Palestine" (alla 1988) on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967; when the General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine ‘Non-Member Observer State’ Status in United Nations.

The Arab Palestinians can be considered "normal residents and citizens of the land," as you've stated. But that does not change the intent of the Ottoman Sovereign in 1888 (in the previous posting). And next year, the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917, will be a century old.

Finally, it should be remembered that the right of self-determination can be exercised in the negative direction as well as the positive direct. The Arab Palestinians exercised their right of self-determination several times:

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.

• Of course the Arab Community declined to participate in the Partition Plan; including the establishment of an additional Arab State.

• The Palestinians voted in the Jordanian Parliament to the ascend to the Annexation.

• The Palestinians adopted both the 1993 and 1995 Oslo Accords.

* The Palestinians chose to recognize the State of Israel, but no the Jewish State as outlined in the Partition Plan.
​

This is just a thumbnail look at the issues, in a set of broad brush strokes.

Most Respectfully,
R

At the current time, there is no Palestinian territories that has valid international defined borders.​

Link?

There are no links proving a negative as you well know, and all you have is the LoN treaty that spelt out the borders of Jewish Palestine.
When the Palestinian declared their state what borders did they declare on that are shown on any map ?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a trick question. Every time you ask it, it starts off the same way. NO ONE denied any of the basic rights to the Arab Palestinians. Remembering, of course, that the actual Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is not law. It was adopted in December 1948, but several attempts to bring it into law as a Convention in the same way as the companion International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) were
Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession.

Having said that, clearly the Arab Palestinians have exercised their right of self-determination several times since the release from the Enemy Occupied Territory Administration. Even today, the UN does not consider the Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territory.

Palestine is a territory defined by international borders. The Palestinians are the normal residents and citizens of the land.

You have never been able to explain, other than some foreign criminals wanting to steal their land, how the Palestinians became exempt from universal rights.

(COMMENT)

At the current time, there is no Palestinian territories that has valid international defined borders. While there were the Demarcations associated with the former Mandate that terminated in 1948, those are historical and not internationally defined. But since they were surveyed, Lebanon and Syria still use them relative to the Armistice Lines, which are not borders.

The remainder of the international boundaries for Israel, are defined by treaties. The UN and the International community in general, consider the reaffirmation of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their "State of Palestine" (alla 1988) on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967; when the General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine ‘Non-Member Observer State’ Status in United Nations.

The Arab Palestinians can be considered "normal residents and citizens of the land," as you've stated. But that does not change the intent of the Ottoman Sovereign in 1888 (in the previous posting). And next year, the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917, will be a century old.

Finally, it should be remembered that the right of self-determination can be exercised in the negative direction as well as the positive direct. The Arab Palestinians exercised their right of self-determination several times:

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.

• Of course the Arab Community declined to participate in the Partition Plan; including the establishment of an additional Arab State.

• The Palestinians voted in the Jordanian Parliament to the ascend to the Annexation.

• The Palestinians adopted both the 1993 and 1995 Oslo Accords.

* The Palestinians chose to recognize the State of Israel, but no the Jewish State as outlined in the Partition Plan.
​

This is just a thumbnail look at the issues, in a set of broad brush strokes.

Most Respectfully,
R

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the
Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights​

How can the Palestinians have the inalienable right to territorial integrity if they have no territory? Hmmm?

And who has stopped them from negotiating the extent of that territory with their neighbours in Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Israel ? Claiming land that is already claimed is not allowed under the UN charter or international laws.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a trick question. Every time you ask it, it starts off the same way. NO ONE denied any of the basic rights to the Arab Palestinians. Remembering, of course, that the actual Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is not law. It was adopted in December 1948, but several attempts to bring it into law as a Convention in the same way as the companion International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) were
Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession.

Having said that, clearly the Arab Palestinians have exercised their right of self-determination several times since the release from the Enemy Occupied Territory Administration. Even today, the UN does not consider the Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territory.

Palestine is a territory defined by international borders. The Palestinians are the normal residents and citizens of the land.

You have never been able to explain, other than some foreign criminals wanting to steal their land, how the Palestinians became exempt from universal rights.

(COMMENT)

At the current time, there is no Palestinian territories that has valid international defined borders. While there were the Demarcations associated with the former Mandate that terminated in 1948, those are historical and not internationally defined. But since they were surveyed, Lebanon and Syria still use them relative to the Armistice Lines, which are not borders.

The remainder of the international boundaries for Israel, are defined by treaties. The UN and the International community in general, consider the reaffirmation of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their "State of Palestine" (alla 1988) on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967; when the General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine ‘Non-Member Observer State’ Status in United Nations.

The Arab Palestinians can be considered "normal residents and citizens of the land," as you've stated. But that does not change the intent of the Ottoman Sovereign in 1888 (in the previous posting). And next year, the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917, will be a century old.

Finally, it should be remembered that the right of self-determination can be exercised in the negative direction as well as the positive direct. The Arab Palestinians exercised their right of self-determination several times:

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.

• Of course the Arab Community declined to participate in the Partition Plan; including the establishment of an additional Arab State.

• The Palestinians voted in the Jordanian Parliament to the ascend to the Annexation.

• The Palestinians adopted both the 1993 and 1995 Oslo Accords.

* The Palestinians chose to recognize the State of Israel, but no the Jewish State as outlined in the Partition Plan.
​

This is just a thumbnail look at the issues, in a set of broad brush strokes.

Most Respectfully,
R

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.​

Indeed, the Palestinians did not want to legitimize the colonial project.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a trick question. Every time you ask it, it starts off the same way. NO ONE denied any of the basic rights to the Arab Palestinians. Remembering, of course, that the actual Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is not law. It was adopted in December 1948, but several attempts to bring it into law as a Convention in the same way as the companion International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) were
Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession.

Having said that, clearly the Arab Palestinians have exercised their right of self-determination several times since the release from the Enemy Occupied Territory Administration. Even today, the UN does not consider the Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territory.

Palestine is a territory defined by international borders. The Palestinians are the normal residents and citizens of the land.

You have never been able to explain, other than some foreign criminals wanting to steal their land, how the Palestinians became exempt from universal rights.

(COMMENT)

At the current time, there is no Palestinian territories that has valid international defined borders. While there were the Demarcations associated with the former Mandate that terminated in 1948, those are historical and not internationally defined. But since they were surveyed, Lebanon and Syria still use them relative to the Armistice Lines, which are not borders.

The remainder of the international boundaries for Israel, are defined by treaties. The UN and the International community in general, consider the reaffirmation of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their "State of Palestine" (alla 1988) on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967; when the General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine ‘Non-Member Observer State’ Status in United Nations.

The Arab Palestinians can be considered "normal residents and citizens of the land," as you've stated. But that does not change the intent of the Ottoman Sovereign in 1888 (in the previous posting). And next year, the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917, will be a century old.

Finally, it should be remembered that the right of self-determination can be exercised in the negative direction as well as the positive direct. The Arab Palestinians exercised their right of self-determination several times:

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.

• Of course the Arab Community declined to participate in the Partition Plan; including the establishment of an additional Arab State.

• The Palestinians voted in the Jordanian Parliament to the ascend to the Annexation.

• The Palestinians adopted both the 1993 and 1995 Oslo Accords.

* The Palestinians chose to recognize the State of Israel, but no the Jewish State as outlined in the Partition Plan.
​

This is just a thumbnail look at the issues, in a set of broad brush strokes.

Most Respectfully,
R

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.​

Indeed, the Palestinians did not want to legitimize the colonial project.

Indeed, there were no 'Pal'istanians.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

And once again you link to the lies of an islamonazi propagandist that has been censured for altering the wording of treaties and UN resolutions to suit his agenda.
This cut and paste forgets to add the fact that they became citizens of mandatory Palestine as no nation of Palestine was in existence. There is no evidence of any Palestine nation until 1988.

 

[Phoenall]

Of course there were Palestinians, that's who the people of Palestine were. Would there be a passport that the Mandatory issued that stated that the citizenship of a person was Palestinian citizen if there were no Palestinians you silly little ignoramus.

Did you bother to read that cut and paste? It was issued by the British. Can you guess why?


"Pal'istanian citizenship order". Another name for Mandate Palestine" or a couple of other labels.

Continually befuddled, eh?

You are the one who is confused. Britain was the trustee assigned to Palestine. It was their responsibility to facilitate the travel of those under its trust.

WRONG try again as you are getting confused again.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a trick question. Every time you ask it, it starts off the same way. NO ONE denied any of the basic rights to the Arab Palestinians. Remembering, of course, that the actual Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is not law. It was adopted in December 1948, but several attempts to bring it into law as a Convention in the same way as the companion International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) were
Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession.

Having said that, clearly the Arab Palestinians have exercised their right of self-determination several times since the release from the Enemy Occupied Territory Administration. Even today, the UN does not consider the Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territory.

Palestine is a territory defined by international borders. The Palestinians are the normal residents and citizens of the land.

You have never been able to explain, other than some foreign criminals wanting to steal their land, how the Palestinians became exempt from universal rights.

(COMMENT)

At the current time, there is no Palestinian territories that has valid international defined borders. While there were the Demarcations associated with the former Mandate that terminated in 1948, those are historical and not internationally defined. But since they were surveyed, Lebanon and Syria still use them relative to the Armistice Lines, which are not borders.

The remainder of the international boundaries for Israel, are defined by treaties. The UN and the International community in general, consider the reaffirmation of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their "State of Palestine" (alla 1988) on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967; when the General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine ‘Non-Member Observer State’ Status in United Nations.

The Arab Palestinians can be considered "normal residents and citizens of the land," as you've stated. But that does not change the intent of the Ottoman Sovereign in 1888 (in the previous posting). And next year, the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917, will be a century old.

Finally, it should be remembered that the right of self-determination can be exercised in the negative direction as well as the positive direct. The Arab Palestinians exercised their right of self-determination several times:

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.

• Of course the Arab Community declined to participate in the Partition Plan; including the establishment of an additional Arab State.

• The Palestinians voted in the Jordanian Parliament to the ascend to the Annexation.

• The Palestinians adopted both the 1993 and 1995 Oslo Accords.

* The Palestinians chose to recognize the State of Israel, but no the Jewish State as outlined in the Partition Plan.
​

This is just a thumbnail look at the issues, in a set of broad brush strokes.

Most Respectfully,
R

1. Prior to 1923 there were no such proposals that you mention. There were attempts to get the non-Jews to accept virtually no self-Government and a Jewish veto until enough Jews good be transferred to Palestine to overcome the large majority that the non-Jews represented in Palestine.

2. With a third of the non-Jewish population placed in the Jewish zone, of course the Palestinians could not accept partition which would divide their people and subject that third to Jewish rule. That would have been irresponsible.

3. Netanyahu put an end to the Oslo Accords. He is caught on video admitting as much.

4. The Palestinians recognizing Israel would be equivalent to the non-whites recognizing white-ruled South Africa.

LINKS, EVIDENCE and PROOF of your claims from unbiased non partisan sources ?

 

[Phoenall]

Of course there were Palestinians, that's who the people of Palestine were. Would there be a passport that the Mandatory issued that stated that the citizenship of a person was Palestinian citizen if there were no Palestinians you silly little ignoramus.

So why was it issued by the British and not the nation of Palestine. Here is a Palestinian passport issued post 1988

Note it mentions the Oslo Accords as the power behind the passport. Does your claim mean that the Palestinians are now stateless ?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a trick question. Every time you ask it, it starts off the same way. NO ONE denied any of the basic rights to the Arab Palestinians. Remembering, of course, that the actual Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is not law. It was adopted in December 1948, but several attempts to bring it into law as a Convention in the same way as the companion International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) were
Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession.

Having said that, clearly the Arab Palestinians have exercised their right of self-determination several times since the release from the Enemy Occupied Territory Administration. Even today, the UN does not consider the Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territory.

(COMMENT)

At the current time, there is no Palestinian territories that has valid international defined borders. While there were the Demarcations associated with the former Mandate that terminated in 1948, those are historical and not internationally defined. But since they were surveyed, Lebanon and Syria still use them relative to the Armistice Lines, which are not borders.

The remainder of the international boundaries for Israel, are defined by treaties. The UN and the International community in general, consider the reaffirmation of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their "State of Palestine" (alla 1988) on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967; when the General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine ‘Non-Member Observer State’ Status in United Nations.

The Arab Palestinians can be considered "normal residents and citizens of the land," as you've stated. But that does not change the intent of the Ottoman Sovereign in 1888 (in the previous posting). And next year, the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917, will be a century old.

Finally, it should be remembered that the right of self-determination can be exercised in the negative direction as well as the positive direct. The Arab Palestinians exercised their right of self-determination several times:

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.

• Of course the Arab Community declined to participate in the Partition Plan; including the establishment of an additional Arab State.

• The Palestinians voted in the Jordanian Parliament to the ascend to the Annexation.

• The Palestinians adopted both the 1993 and 1995 Oslo Accords.

* The Palestinians chose to recognize the State of Israel, but no the Jewish State as outlined in the Partition Plan.
​

This is just a thumbnail look at the issues, in a set of broad brush strokes.

Most Respectfully,
R

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.​

Indeed, the Palestinians did not want to legitimize the colonial project.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a trick question. Every time you ask it, it starts off the same way. NO ONE denied any of the basic rights to the Arab Palestinians. Remembering, of course, that the actual Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is not law. It was adopted in December 1948, but several attempts to bring it into law as a Convention in the same way as the companion International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) were
Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession.

Having said that, clearly the Arab Palestinians have exercised their right of self-determination several times since the release from the Enemy Occupied Territory Administration. Even today, the UN does not consider the Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territory.

(COMMENT)

At the current time, there is no Palestinian territories that has valid international defined borders. While there were the Demarcations associated with the former Mandate that terminated in 1948, those are historical and not internationally defined. But since they were surveyed, Lebanon and Syria still use them relative to the Armistice Lines, which are not borders.

The remainder of the international boundaries for Israel, are defined by treaties. The UN and the International community in general, consider the reaffirmation of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their "State of Palestine" (alla 1988) on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967; when the General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine ‘Non-Member Observer State’ Status in United Nations.

The Arab Palestinians can be considered "normal residents and citizens of the land," as you've stated. But that does not change the intent of the Ottoman Sovereign in 1888 (in the previous posting). And next year, the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917, will be a century old.

Finally, it should be remembered that the right of self-determination can be exercised in the negative direction as well as the positive direct. The Arab Palestinians exercised their right of self-determination several times:

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.

• Of course the Arab Community declined to participate in the Partition Plan; including the establishment of an additional Arab State.

• The Palestinians voted in the Jordanian Parliament to the ascend to the Annexation.

• The Palestinians adopted both the 1993 and 1995 Oslo Accords.

* The Palestinians chose to recognize the State of Israel, but no the Jewish State as outlined in the Partition Plan.
​

This is just a thumbnail look at the issues, in a set of broad brush strokes.

Most Respectfully,
R

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.​

Indeed, the Palestinians did not want to legitimize the colonial project.

Indeed, there were no 'Pal'istanians.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Not the case in November, 1923. Your ipso facto'ing nonsense is just so much silly cutting and pasting.

Check a calendar. 1923 came before 1925.

So?

Palestinians became Palestinian citizens by international law upon the signing of the Treaty of Lausanne and was reiterated by domestic law in 1925.

There is no contradiction here. The domestic law merely followed international law.

And again you omit the words mandate of which are in the various treaties and minutes regarding the people of the mandate of Palestine.

 

[Hollie]

Of course there were Palestinians, that's who the people of Palestine were. Would there be a passport that the Mandatory issued that stated that the citizenship of a person was Palestinian citizen if there were no Palestinians you silly little ignoramus.

Did you bother to read that cut and paste? It was issued by the British. Can you guess why?


"Pal'istanian citizenship order". Another name for Mandate Palestine" or a couple of other labels.

Continually befuddled, eh?

You are the one who is confused. Britain was the trustee assigned to Palestine. It was their responsibility to facilitate the travel of those under its trust.

Britain was, yes. The British passport. Thank you.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a trick question. Every time you ask it, it starts off the same way. NO ONE denied any of the basic rights to the Arab Palestinians. Remembering, of course, that the actual Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is not law. It was adopted in December 1948, but several attempts to bring it into law as a Convention in the same way as the companion International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) were
Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession.

Having said that, clearly the Arab Palestinians have exercised their right of self-determination several times since the release from the Enemy Occupied Territory Administration. Even today, the UN does not consider the Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territory.

Palestine is a territory defined by international borders. The Palestinians are the normal residents and citizens of the land.

You have never been able to explain, other than some foreign criminals wanting to steal their land, how the Palestinians became exempt from universal rights.

(COMMENT)

At the current time, there is no Palestinian territories that has valid international defined borders. While there were the Demarcations associated with the former Mandate that terminated in 1948, those are historical and not internationally defined. But since they were surveyed, Lebanon and Syria still use them relative to the Armistice Lines, which are not borders.

The remainder of the international boundaries for Israel, are defined by treaties. The UN and the International community in general, consider the reaffirmation of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their "State of Palestine" (alla 1988) on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967; when the General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine ‘Non-Member Observer State’ Status in United Nations.

The Arab Palestinians can be considered "normal residents and citizens of the land," as you've stated. But that does not change the intent of the Ottoman Sovereign in 1888 (in the previous posting). And next year, the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917, will be a century old.

Finally, it should be remembered that the right of self-determination can be exercised in the negative direction as well as the positive direct. The Arab Palestinians exercised their right of self-determination several times:

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.

• Of course the Arab Community declined to participate in the Partition Plan; including the establishment of an additional Arab State.

• The Palestinians voted in the Jordanian Parliament to the ascend to the Annexation.

• The Palestinians adopted both the 1993 and 1995 Oslo Accords.

* The Palestinians chose to recognize the State of Israel, but no the Jewish State as outlined in the Partition Plan.
​

This is just a thumbnail look at the issues, in a set of broad brush strokes.

Most Respectfully,
R

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the
Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights​

How can the Palestinians have the inalienable right to territorial integrity if they have no territory? Hmmm?

And who has stopped them from negotiating the extent of that territory with their neighbours in Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Israel ? Claiming land that is already claimed is not allowed under the UN charter or international laws.

There is nothing to negotiate. Palestine has no border disputes with any of its neighbors?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a trick question. Every time you ask it, it starts off the same way. NO ONE denied any of the basic rights to the Arab Palestinians. Remembering, of course, that the actual Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is not law. It was adopted in December 1948, but several attempts to bring it into law as a Convention in the same way as the companion International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) were
Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession.

Having said that, clearly the Arab Palestinians have exercised their right of self-determination several times since the release from the Enemy Occupied Territory Administration. Even today, the UN does not consider the Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territory.

Palestine is a territory defined by international borders. The Palestinians are the normal residents and citizens of the land.

You have never been able to explain, other than some foreign criminals wanting to steal their land, how the Palestinians became exempt from universal rights.

(COMMENT)

At the current time, there is no Palestinian territories that has valid international defined borders. While there were the Demarcations associated with the former Mandate that terminated in 1948, those are historical and not internationally defined. But since they were surveyed, Lebanon and Syria still use them relative to the Armistice Lines, which are not borders.

The remainder of the international boundaries for Israel, are defined by treaties. The UN and the International community in general, consider the reaffirmation of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their "State of Palestine" (alla 1988) on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967; when the General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine ‘Non-Member Observer State’ Status in United Nations.

The Arab Palestinians can be considered "normal residents and citizens of the land," as you've stated. But that does not change the intent of the Ottoman Sovereign in 1888 (in the previous posting). And next year, the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917, will be a century old.

Finally, it should be remembered that the right of self-determination can be exercised in the negative direction as well as the positive direct. The Arab Palestinians exercised their right of self-determination several times:

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.

• Of course the Arab Community declined to participate in the Partition Plan; including the establishment of an additional Arab State.

• The Palestinians voted in the Jordanian Parliament to the ascend to the Annexation.

• The Palestinians adopted both the 1993 and 1995 Oslo Accords.

* The Palestinians chose to recognize the State of Israel, but no the Jewish State as outlined in the Partition Plan.
​

This is just a thumbnail look at the issues, in a set of broad brush strokes.

Most Respectfully,
R

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.​

Indeed, the Palestinians did not want to legitimize the colonial project.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a trick question. Every time you ask it, it starts off the same way. NO ONE denied any of the basic rights to the Arab Palestinians. Remembering, of course, that the actual Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is not law. It was adopted in December 1948, but several attempts to bring it into law as a Convention in the same way as the companion International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) were
Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession.

Having said that, clearly the Arab Palestinians have exercised their right of self-determination several times since the release from the Enemy Occupied Territory Administration. Even today, the UN does not consider the Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territory.

Palestine is a territory defined by international borders. The Palestinians are the normal residents and citizens of the land.

You have never been able to explain, other than some foreign criminals wanting to steal their land, how the Palestinians became exempt from universal rights.

(COMMENT)

At the current time, there is no Palestinian territories that has valid international defined borders. While there were the Demarcations associated with the former Mandate that terminated in 1948, those are historical and not internationally defined. But since they were surveyed, Lebanon and Syria still use them relative to the Armistice Lines, which are not borders.

The remainder of the international boundaries for Israel, are defined by treaties. The UN and the International community in general, consider the reaffirmation of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their "State of Palestine" (alla 1988) on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967; when the General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine ‘Non-Member Observer State’ Status in United Nations.

The Arab Palestinians can be considered "normal residents and citizens of the land," as you've stated. But that does not change the intent of the Ottoman Sovereign in 1888 (in the previous posting). And next year, the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917, will be a century old.

Finally, it should be remembered that the right of self-determination can be exercised in the negative direction as well as the positive direct. The Arab Palestinians exercised their right of self-determination several times:

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.

• Of course the Arab Community declined to participate in the Partition Plan; including the establishment of an additional Arab State.

• The Palestinians voted in the Jordanian Parliament to the ascend to the Annexation.

• The Palestinians adopted both the 1993 and 1995 Oslo Accords.

* The Palestinians chose to recognize the State of Israel, but no the Jewish State as outlined in the Partition Plan.
​

This is just a thumbnail look at the issues, in a set of broad brush strokes.

Most Respectfully,
R

• Prior to November 1923, three successive proposals were put forward by the mandatory Government with a view to the closer association of the Arab community with the Administration of Palestine. Towards all these proposals the Arabs adopted the same attitude, namely, refusal to co-operate in measures which they considered did not satisfy their aspirations.​

Indeed, the Palestinians did not want to legitimize the colonial project.

Indeed, there were no 'Pal'istanians.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

And once again you link to the lies of an islamonazi propagandist that has been censured for altering the wording of treaties and UN resolutions to suit his agenda.
This cut and paste forgets to add the fact that they became citizens of mandatory Palestine as no nation of Palestine was in existence. There is no evidence of any Palestine nation until 1988.

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