FINALLY - Employers hit with $28K fines and prison time for hiring illegal workers

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

That's exactly it. This is another attempt to enlist employers as agents of the government.

If I stop at a taco truck, am I responsible for vetting all the people inside before I buy a taco? Same principle, right?

That is a very poor fallacy of false equivalency

The employers should follow the law.

 

[dblack]

No, taco sales are not covered by employment law. Hiring employees is.

I know the law. I'm saying it's bullshit. Employers shouldn't be "drafted" as law enforcement agents

 

[initforme]

I know the law. I'm saying it's bullshit. Employers shouldn't be "drafted" as law enforcement agents

Well if they're looking for employees its on them to vet them. Hire an illegal.by accident? Business shut down.

 

[mudwhistle]

That is a very poor fallacy of false equivalency

The employers should follow the law.

 

[dblack]

That is a very poor fallacy of false equivalency

Not really. You pay someone to make you a taco. Or you pay someone to more your grass. Or you pay someone to harvest crops. None of these are a good excuse to make you responsible for crimes others have committed.

 

[dblack]

Well if they're looking for employees its on them to vet them. Hire an illegal.by accident? Business shut down.

Yeah. That sounds all tough guy, authoritarian fascist and shit, and I'm sure it gives you a big ole hardon, but no.

 

[initforme]

Not really. You pay someone to make you a taco. Or you pay someone to more your grass. Or you pay someone to harvest crops. None of these are a good excuse to make you responsible for crimes others have committed.

The jobs you listed need not be done.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

dblack, you are not making sense.

Have employers vet their employees. The e-card would be a great start.

 

[dblack]

dblack, you are not making sense.

Have employers vet their employees. The e-card would be a great start.

Then make everyone who pays someone else to do work for them play the same game. Buy a taco from an illegal, go to jail! The fascists will love it.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I know the law. I'm saying it's bullshit. Employers shouldn't be "drafted" as law enforcement agents

I work in HR. We are NOT drafted as law enforcement.

We ARE required to comply with work law and only hire those legally eligible to work. We aren't doing law enforcement work on others, we are ensuring we are requiring with requirements on US so that WE aren't breaking the law.

I've had multiple cases where we were processing new hires and once an individual was walked into the equipment room so we could do fingerprints for the required State/Federal background check - they said no and left. We didn't enforce anything on them. Same case a few times with completing the I-9 Federal Work Eligibility Form, when they found out they have to submit documents and complete the form - they just left.

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[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Then make everyone who pays someone else to do work for them play the same game. Buy a taco from an illegal, go to jail! The fascists will love it.

You are not making sense.

 

[dblack]

I work in HR. We are NOT drafted as law enforcement.

Sure you are. You're also drafted as tax collectors. Doing the state's bidding.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Sure you are. You're also drafted as tax collectors. Doing the state's bidding.

Then you should open a business, not pay taxes, not collect taxes, don't report taxes and hire all the illegals you can find.

Should go well.
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BTW - you seem a little testy today.

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[airplanemechanic]

Long overdue

Absolutely. You can't blame a dog for chasing after a steak. Take the steak away and the dog will go away on its own.

 

[dblack]

Then you should open a business, not pay taxes, not collect taxes, don't report taxes and hire all the illegals you can find.

Should go well.

What are you trying to say here? I know the law is as you say. I just think it's bad law.

 

[WorldWatcher]

What are you trying to say here? I know the law is as you say. I just think it's bad law.

So employers should not collect taxes? How would that work?

Employers should be free to knowingly hire illegals with no repercussions?

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[dblack]

So employers should not collect taxes? How would that work?

Seriously? It would work the same way it worked before they started forcing employers to do it.

Employers should be free to knowingly hire illegals with no repercussions?

That's not what I said. I said they shouldn't be responsible for ensuring their employees haven't committed crimes. If they're aiding and abetting, that's another story.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Seriously? It would work the same way it worked before they started forcing employers to do it.

That's not what I said. I said they shouldn't be responsible for ensuring their employees haven't committed crimes. If they're aiding and abetting, that's another story.

Most employers are not responsible for verifying employees have to committed crimes.

Operational word is “responsible” (I.e required). Past criminal activity is not something the have to check. Now they can choose to if they want, but that’s their choice. For example if you will be handling money they may not want to hire a thief.

I’m in a little different situation as, for my employer, state law requires 100% fingerprints and state/federal criminal records check.

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[dblack]

Most employers are not responsible for verifying employees have to committed crimes.

Operational word is “responsible” (I.e required). Past criminal activity is not something the have to check. Now they can choose to if they want, but that’s their choice. For example if you will be handling money they may not want to hire a thief.

I’m in a little different situation as, for my employer, state law requires 100% fingerprints and state/federal criminal records check.

WW

Ok.