Fewer illegal aliens means more jobs and a better economy for American citizens

[Marener]

What’s wrong with allowing people to work as much as they want? Why do you oppose more freedom?

Meanwhile, Dems exploit illegals for cheap labor

Founder of Cali pot farm where ICE rescued dozens of kids and busted 300+ migrants donated to Gavin Newsom, other Dems

Graham Farra is co-founder and president of Glass House Farms in Ventura County, the largest pot farm in California, which had been lauded as a pioneer in “green” — that is environmenta…

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They don’t give them a choice

Kids should be focusing on school.

Instead they're dying to pad the wallets of Republican elites.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/19/us/nebraska-hog-farm-worker-death-osha.html

 

[martybegan]

Illegals absolutely have a choice

They CHOSE to come here for work. We exploit them by our standards… not by theirs.

But hey. Let’s address this problem. Create an amnesty program. Make hiring undocumented workers illegal and painful to employers and raise the minimum wage

I’ve been saying the same thing for years

No amnesty. Get rid of the illegals, increase H2B temp worker programs as needed, then figure out what legal immigration numbers we feel like setting.

Every time we are told we are doing the "final amnesty" we get pushed to do another one 20 years later.

enough with the lying.

 

[postman]

H2B is a valid program. It's the right way to handle the need for temporary foreign labor. It's documented, regulated, and most important, TEMPORARY.

780 requests in 20 years.

So that means around 40 requests a year. Figures you use a 20 year spread to make the number seem bigger.

I was just posting what google reported.
What you missed (probably on purpose) is the 184 in 2025 alone.

So Trump went from 40 to 184 at the same time he had ICE start cracking down.

Can you explain that?

 

[Marener]

Trumps' economic policy looks to the long term, not the 2-3 month/day/week OMG THIS IS GOING TO RUIN US panic the left needs to use.

The long term is a shrinking population which is increasingly lobsided towards elderly nonproductive citizens.

 

[martybegan]

Kids should be focusing on school.

Instead they're dying to pad the wallets of Republican elites.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/19/us/nebraska-hog-farm-worker-death-osha.html

I worked from 12. first as a weekly pennysaver route worker, then at a pharmacy.

I also worked off the books for my father doing handyman stuff.

Didn't stop me from getting my Masters in ChemE.

 

[Winston]

You don't get it do you?

Those sacrifices, if even realized, are perfectly acceptable to be shed of illegals and those operating under H2B visas who took American jobs and housing.

No, you don't get it. First, another damn thread about the great job numbers from the January job report.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

Does nobody read these damn things?

Total non farm payroll employment rose by 130,000 in January, and the unemployment rate changed little at 4.3 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today
Well, I guess you read the first line. Oh, the right wing press goes nuts. Wow, Trump is doing an amazing job. And all those illegals are voluntarily leaving and millions of Americans are taking their jobs. Like this release from July,

Wages continue to rise, and native-born workers have accounted for all job gains since Inauguration Day.

I mean really, how can anyone believe such a damn statement. Let's go back and look at that January report.

The seasonally adjusted total nonfarm employment level for March 2025 was revised downward by 898,000. On a not seasonally adjusted basis, the total non farm employment level for March 2025 was revised downward by 862,000, or -0.5 percent. Not seasonally adjusted, the absolute average benchmark revision over the prior 10 years is 0.2 percent.The change in total nonfarm employment for 2025 was revised from +584,000 to +181,000 (seasonally adjusted). Table A presents revised total nonfarm employment data on a seasonally adjusted basis from January to December 2025.

January numbers up by 130,000.
2025 numbers revised downward by 862,000
We are down 732,000 jobs from where we thought we were.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Both Republicans and Dems did that and it was necessary

Overspending by its definition is not necessary spending. How was $360B in new Climate Change spending necessary for Inflation Reduction or $27B Green Bank EPA funding or $80B IRS Expansion necessary?

 

[martybegan]

The long term is a shrinking population which is increasingly lobsided towards elderly nonproductive citizens.

And mentally ill nonproductives which the left loves keeping just barely alive as make work programs for government agencies and NGO's.

Maybe we should start advocating people having families again and not being grown children until their 40's.

 

[Lesh]

No amnesty. Get rid of the illegals, increase H2B temp worker programs as needed, then figure out what legal immigration numbers we feel like setting.

Every time we are told we are doing the "final amnesty" we get pushed to do another one 20 years later.

enough with the lying.

Why do you suppose that happened ?

Oh yeah. Because BUSINESS ensured that they would not be punished for hiring undocumented workers

 

[Marener]

I worked from 12. first as a weekly pennysaver route worker, then at a pharmacy.

I also worked off the books for my father doing handyman stuff.

Didn't stop me from getting my Masters in ChemE.

And that was what, 40 years ago?

Try to stay relevant.

 

[Lesh]

I worked from 12. first as a weekly pennysaver route worker, then at a pharmacy.

I also worked off the books for my father doing handyman stuff.

Didn't stop me from getting my Masters in ChemE.

Part time work is not what we are talking about.

We’re talking about the kind of work that keeps kids from getting an education

 

[DigitalDrifter]

What it means is significantly higher prices and inflation

So you're making a case for cheap illegal labor.

 

[martybegan]

I was just posting what google reported.
What you missed (probably on purpose) is the 184 in 2025 alone.

So Trump went from 40 to 184 at the same time he had ICE start cracking down.

Can you explain that?

The 184 number for 2025 was from multiple un-named and uncounted properties.

From your own post. Next time read it, you mouth-breather.

In 2025, the organization requested 184 foreign worker visas for various properties, including Mar-a-Lago,

Again trying to make numbers look bigger, this time by including other properties after singling out Mar-a-Lago

Dumbass.

 

[Marener]

And mentally ill nonproductives which the left loves keeping just barely alive as make work programs for government agencies and NGO's.

Maybe we should start advocating people having families again and not being grown children until their 40's.

Your plan is to "advocate" for people having families?

That's the whole plan?

Jesus Christ, this country is cooked.

 

[drudge X]

The long term is a shrinking population which is increasingly lobsided towards elderly nonproductive citizens.

Not an excuse for open border

 

[Winston]

Yes, we need more labor. That’s why we need to reduce welfare and get the Americans living off of taxpayers to get a job.

Why do you say we need more labor - and then want to keep welfare leeches on welfare?

Illegal immigrants have a higher labor participation rate than American Citizens. Makes more sense to deport the welfare leeches.

 

[Marener]

Not an excuse for open border

The country is long overdue for a total revamp of the immigration system, but every attempt to do so has failed because of far right conservatives who are also mostly white nationalists.

 

[martybegan]

Part time work is not what we are talking about.

We’re talking about the kind of work that keeps kids from getting an education

Part time work is what we are talking about, just increasing the hours and timing of the hours.

Maybe read up on something before you post about it.

What Does the Florida Child Labor Bill Change?

The central focus of the new legislation is the expansion of working opportunities for older teenagers who are 16 and 17 years old. Previously, these minors were limited to a maximum of 30 hours per week when school was in session. The new law allows this weekly limit to be waived by a parent, custodian, or school superintendent using a form provided by the Department of Business and Professional Regulation. It is important to note that this waiver only applies to the 30-hour weekly cap and does not change daily hour limits or the times of day a minor is allowed to work.<a href="javascript%3Avoid(0)" title="Florida Statutes. Florida Statutes § 450.081">3</a>

The law introduces more flexibility for 16- and 17-year-olds regarding daily hours on specific days. They may now work more than eight hours on Sundays or holidays, even if school is scheduled for the following day. For minors aged 16 and 17 who are home-schooled or enrolled in an approved virtual instruction program where they are separated from the teacher by time, most work-hour and meal-break restrictions are removed entirely. However, for all other 16- and 17-year-olds, the law still generally prohibits working before 6:30 a.m. or after 11:00 p.m. when school is scheduled for the next day.<a href="javascript%3Avoid(0)" title="Florida Statutes. Florida Statutes § 450.081">3</a>

 

[martybegan]

The country is long overdue for a total revamp of the immigration system, but every attempt to do so has failed because of far right conservatives who are also mostly white nationalists.

The failure is that the left demands amnesty for any proposed "solution"

 

[Lesh]

So you're making a case for cheap illegal labor.

Essentially yes. Our economy demands it.

You want better?

Push for increased minimum wage