Fewer illegal aliens means more jobs and a better economy for American citizens

[Slade3200]

We are getting nowhere

You want open borders and I dont

There’s the strawman. Wanna try again?

 

[Delldude]

the Dems lower the deficit

With our pocketbook.

 

[Slade3200]

I'm cornfused~~~~ according to the Left, I thought illegal immigrants were the backbone of this country whose economy depended on them? If the Left is right, deporting all of these illegals should be bringing economic ruin to the USA! Oh, the horror, another leftist truism proven wrong.

Yall love fighting the strawmen don't ya? Just make up a hyperbolic argument and pretend it came from the ambiguous "Left". Funny. You're not fooling anybody. Try engaging with real arguments and see how you hold up

 

[Care4all]

With our pocketbook.

Well, duh!

 

[Mac-7]

There’s the strawman. Wanna try again?

Do you deny that you want open borders?

 

[Slade3200]

Do you deny that you want open borders?

yes. Care to get back to the subject now and try to address the points i've made? Stop dodging

 

[Mac-7]

yes. Care to get back to the subject now and try to address the points i've made? Stop dodging

You want to keep millions of illegal workers

Plus flood the country with new foreign workers

That sounds like open borders to me

 

[Slade3200]

You want to keep millions of illegal workers

Plus flood the country with new foreign workers

That sounds like open borders to me

You’re fighting a strawman again. Trying avoid the points I actually make. Want to try again?

 

[Hafar1014]

Though I wouldn’t encourage anybody to be hear undocumented let’s still be honest about the economic impacts as I think your analysis is wrong.

If all undocumented were deported it would have very negative impacts on the economy. Yes employers would need to hire to replace the workers. They would also need to increase wages. This would result in raising prices. Inflation. And a labor shortage. It would also put strain and hardship on many businesses reducing output and lowering the GDP of our country. We would also lose Billions in tax revenue.

If they are deported at 3 million a year the economy will improve. Wages go up rents go down, crime goes down. No one is deporting them al at once.

 

[Hafar1014]

You’re fighting a strawman again. Trying avoid the points I actually make. Want to try again?

Democrats need illegals to vote and be counted in the next census to prevent the loss of 15 seats in the house

 

[Slade3200]

If they are deported at 3 million a year the economy will improve. Wages go up rents go down, crime goes down. No one is deporting them al at once.

can you show your math? or back up your theory?

 

[Slade3200]

Democrats need illegals to vote and be counted in the next census to prevent the loss of 15 seats in the house

Thats a tired talking point. Lets stick to the substance... shall we?

 

[Hafar1014]

can you show your math? or back up your theory?

This year 3 million self deported or were deported. Wages went up crime went down rents went down. Thats called history. Life is better

 

[Hafar1014]

Thats a tired talking point. Lets stick to the substance... shall we?

Its a fact we dont know how many some estimates are 12 -15 seats switch from blue to red. Democrat states are losing millions of population and thats increasing. They face a catastrophic loss of power. Thats why they opened the border and created sanctuary cities to attract them to their states. Blue states lose ;population red states gain them.

New York, California projected to lose 6 House seats to red states after 2030, census analysis shows

Blue states like New York and California are projected to lose six congressional seats to Republican states by 2030. Texas and Florida are expected to gain eight.

www.foxnews.com

How States’ Seats in the U.S. House Could Change After the Next Census

At the halfway point in the decade, newly released census data points to continued shifts in representation after the 2030 census, but some big unknowns lurk.

www.brennancenter.org

 

[Mac-7]

You’re fighting a strawman again. Trying avoid the points I actually make. Want to try again?

You can lie to yourself but you cant lie to me

 

[Delldude]

Can you defend your point of view or make counter arguments to the points I presented?

The points you presented? Don't you mean your 'cut and paste' from an AI query as the basis for your argument? How disingenuous.

 

[Slade3200]

This year 3 million self deported or were deported. Wages went up crime went down rents went down. Thats called history. Life is better

Hahahaha. Let’s see what Elons AI has to say about your statement. 230 sources checked:

The statement is mostly propaganda—inflated numbers, cherry-picked trends, and spurious causation that ignores independent evidence and real economic downsides.


• “3 million self-deported or were deported”: The Trump DHS still touts this for 2025 (~2.2 million “self-deportations” + 675,000+ formal removals). It provides zero verifiable evidence for the self-deportation claim (no data on who left, how, or why). Independent experts (Center for Migration Studies, Brookings Institution, TRAC Deportation Data Project) call it a “self-serving fantasy” and “two-million deportation myth.” Realistic totals: ~300,000–350,000 actual removals (many just border turnaways) and perhaps ~200,000 voluntary exits—roughly one-tenth of the boast. The numbers rely on flawed survey extrapolations and stopped releasing transparent data.


• Wages went up: Real wage growth was modest at best (~1.4–1.9% YoY per BLS through early 2026), continuing late-Biden trends and actually slowing for low-wage workers. Enforcement created labor shortages in immigrant-heavy sectors (construction, agriculture, hospitality, trucking), raising business costs and hurting overall employment/GDP. Studies (NBER, EPI, Brookings) show mass deportations ultimately reduce native-born wages and jobs long-term via lost demand and complementarities—not the “boom” claimed.


• Crime went down: Homicides dropped ~19–21% in major cities (Council on Criminal Justice data), but this predates peak 2025 enforcement—it was already falling sharply in 2023–2024 under Biden. Experts (CCJ, NPR, Brennan Center) attribute it to post-pandemic recovery, policing improvements, demographics, and tech—not deportations. Immigrants have lower crime rates than natives; the link is rhetoric, not data.


• Rents went down: Any stabilization or minor dips came mainly from a record apartment construction boom (new supply glut from 2023–2025 projects), high vacancies, and cooling demand—not fewer immigrants. The real housing crisis stems from decades of underbuilding (4.7 million unit shortage) and zoning issues. Cutting immigrant labor slows future construction, potentially worsening shortages and prices.


In short: The administration is selling correlation as causation while hiding the costs—labor shortages, higher consumer prices in key sectors, GDP drag ($60–110 billion lost consumer spending per Brookings), and harm to U.S.-born workers and businesses. “Life is better” is marketing spin, not history or rigorous analysis. Independent data shows the claims are wildly overstated and the policy’s net effects far more negative than advertised.

 

[Slade3200]

Its a fact we dont know how many some estimates are 12 -15 seats switch from blue to red. Democrat states are losing millions of population and thats increasing. They face a catastrophic loss of power. Thats why they opened the border and created sanctuary cities to attract them to their states. Blue states lose ;population red states gain them.

New York, California projected to lose 6 House seats to red states after 2030, census analysis shows

Blue states like New York and California are projected to lose six congressional seats to Republican states by 2030. Texas and Florida are expected to gain eight.

www.foxnews.com

How States’ Seats in the U.S. House Could Change After the Next Census

At the halfway point in the decade, newly released census data points to continued shifts in representation after the 2030 census, but some big unknowns lurk.

www.brennancenter.org

That’s complete BS. Undocumented people can’t vote and there has been zero evidence ever present that a remotely significant number get fake documents and cast votes

 

[Slade3200]

You can lie to yourself but you cant lie to me

You’re still dodging the substance to play petty insult games. You lose

 

[Mac-7]

You’re still dodging the substance to play petty insult games. You lose

You are the one hiding from the subject, not me