Fewer illegal aliens means more jobs and a better economy for American citizens

[Delldude]

Sadly those jobs will not be done by “ Americans”
Inflation will be the only thing that goes up

How many jobs will be lost to AI?

Should be lots of people who can do those jobs without importing illegals.

 

[Mac-7]

Oppression breeds violence

I suppose the white male victims of DEI could use that excuse, huh?

 

[kevinthrowe]

How many jobs will be lost to AI?

Should be lots of people who can do those jobs without importing illegals.

Did not happen after COVID
Farms are expecting to plant less this year and harvest even less due to worker shortages

 

[Delldude]

Did not happen after COVID
Farms are expecting to plant less this year and harvest even less due to worker shortages

Breaking the law to earn a living is no excuse.

 

[kevinthrowe]

Breaking the law to earn a living is no excuse.

The ones breaking the law are the GOP companies that hire the undocumented.
Recall the crackdown on the chicken plants a few tears ago .
No owners were fined or imprisoned

 

[Slade3200]

If ILLEGALS - I’m assuming that’s what you mean by “undocumented” - were to be deported, we would save $160 billion NET a year, rents on lower-end apartments would drop due to less demand, and the quality of the schools in the working class neighborhoods where they settle would go up.

Of course, lettuce might cost more.

Impact on Low-Income Rentals​

• Demand drop: Many undocumented immigrants live in low-income housing, often renting. Mass deportation would reduce demand, which could temporarily lower rents in some areas.
• Property revenue: Landlords of low-income units might see higher vacancy rates, potentially reducing maintenance and investment in those properties.
• Community effects: Neighborhoods with large immigrant populations could face economic decline, affecting local businesses and services.

Impact on Schools​

• Enrollment drop: Public schools, particularly in urban areas, would see fewer students, which could reduce funding because school budgets are often tied to enrollment.
• Short-term savings: Some argue fewer students = lower costs, but many undocumented children are U.S. citizens already, so deporting parents doesn’t automatically remove children from schools.
• Long-term effects: Reduced cultural diversity and potential labor shortages in schools (bilingual staff, cafeteria, maintenance) could create indirect costs.

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The $160 Billion “Savings” Claim​

• This number often comes from studies that compare the costs of public services used by undocumented immigrants (education, healthcare, welfare, criminal justice) versus taxes they pay.
• Key issues with this claim:
  
  1. Taxes paid: Undocumented immigrants collectively pay tens of billions in payroll, income, and sales taxes. Removing them reduces government revenue.
  2. Enforcement costs: Mass deportation would cost hundreds of billions, including ICE operations, border enforcement, legal proceedings, and detention.
  3. Economic losses: Reduced labor supply would shrink GDP and taxable income, further lowering net revenue.

Most economists conclude that the idea of a $160 billion net “savings” is highly overstated. In reality, net fiscal impact is likely negative once deportation costs and lost economic activity are included.

 

[Slade3200]

It does not require 12 million illegal aliens to keep our rconomy running

I never claimed it did

 

[Delldude]

The ones breaking the law are the GOP companies that hire the undocumented.
Recall the crackdown on the chicken plants a few tears ago .
No owners were fined or imprisoned

Chicken plant was Trump.

You'll find the Biden administration wasn't pressing the compliance issue.
Good thing absolutely not one dem company hired any illegals.

Phew....

 

[Slade3200]

It does not require 12 million illegal aliens to keep our rconomy running

Thats a democrat party lie

I concede that most American welfare bums are too lazy to pick vegetables

But that can be addressed by a guest worker program

The farmers will have to pay workers more than slave wages

And guest workers should not be allowed to move their family to America

But with documentation they can cross back and forth across the border as necessary

I see you didn't address any of my points but to make something up about needing illegals to keep our economy running, and conceding that there would be a labor shortage and a spike in inflation. Care to try and debunk anything I actually said?

 

[Delldude]

Impact on Low-Income Rentals​

• Demand drop: Many undocumented immigrants live in low-income housing, often renting. Mass deportation would reduce demand, which could temporarily lower rents in some areas.
• Property revenue: Landlords of low-income units might see higher vacancy rates, potentially reducing maintenance and investment in those properties.
• Community effects: Neighborhoods with large immigrant populations could face economic decline, affecting local businesses and services.

Impact on Schools​

• Enrollment drop: Public schools, particularly in urban areas, would see fewer students, which could reduce funding because school budgets are often tied to enrollment.
• Short-term savings: Some argue fewer students = lower costs, but many undocumented children are U.S. citizens already, so deporting parents doesn’t automatically remove children from schools.
• Long-term effects: Reduced cultural diversity and potential labor shortages in schools (bilingual staff, cafeteria, maintenance) could create indirect costs.

---

The $160 Billion “Savings” Claim​

• This number often comes from studies that compare the costs of public services used by undocumented immigrants (education, healthcare, welfare, criminal justice) versus taxes they pay.
• Key issues with this claim:
  1. Taxes paid: Undocumented immigrants collectively pay tens of billions in payroll, income, and sales taxes. Removing them reduces government revenue.
  2. Enforcement costs: Mass deportation would cost hundreds of billions, including ICE operations, border enforcement, legal proceedings, and detention.
  3. Economic losses: Reduced labor supply would shrink GDP and taxable income, further lowering net revenue.

Most economists conclude that the idea of a $160 billion net “savings” is highly overstated. In reality, net fiscal impact is likely negative once deportation costs and lost economic activity are included.

AI Queen now?

 

[kevinthrowe]

Impact on Low-Income Rentals​

• Demand drop: Many undocumented immigrants live in low-income housing, often renting. Mass deportation would reduce demand, which could temporarily lower rents in some areas.
• Property revenue: Landlords of low-income units might see higher vacancy rates, potentially reducing maintenance and investment in those properties.
• Community effects: Neighborhoods with large immigrant populations could face economic decline, affecting local businesses and services.

Impact on Schools​

• Enrollment drop: Public schools, particularly in urban areas, would see fewer students, which could reduce funding because school budgets are often tied to enrollment.
• Short-term savings: Some argue fewer students = lower costs, but many undocumented children are U.S. citizens already, so deporting parents doesn’t automatically remove children from schools.
• Long-term effects: Reduced cultural diversity and potential labor shortages in schools (bilingual staff, cafeteria, maintenance) could create indirect costs.

---

The $160 Billion “Savings” Claim​

• This number often comes from studies that compare the costs of public services used by undocumented immigrants (education, healthcare, welfare, criminal justice) versus taxes they pay.
• Key issues with this claim:
  1. Taxes paid: Undocumented immigrants collectively pay tens of billions in payroll, income, and sales taxes. Removing them reduces government revenue.
  2. Enforcement costs: Mass deportation would cost hundreds of billions, including ICE operations, border enforcement, legal proceedings, and detention.
  3. Economic losses: Reduced labor supply would shrink GDP and taxable income, further lowering net revenue.

Most economists conclude that the idea of a $160 billion net “savings” is highly overstated. In reality, net fiscal impact is likely negative once deportation costs and lost economic activity are included.

The one FAIR report does not hold water when you investigate further.
They do not take in the taxes paid
The U.S. treasury has immigrants as a 1.7 trillion dollar plus to the economy.
Many of these rentals are to expensive for dingle workers
No landlord rents below taxes mortgage or local rents
Never will housing go down

 

[Cellblock2429]

Er services are not welfare they are a different law .
Many poor Americans use the same laws for medical care
These are both issues that need to be fixed but in a predatory capitalist system they will never end
As with the low paid employees of Walmart and Amazon SNAP goes to feed workers under the required income to feed children. Income inequality and predatory practices need to end.
Sick and hungry people are dangerous
Do you want to feed and house them 24/7

/----/ "Many poor Americans use the same laws for medical care"
And that is who it is intended for. I support that 100%. It's the illegals who use those services. That is the problem.

"Er services are not welfare they are a different law"
Nonsense. You're splitting hairs. Illegals receive free services no matter how you try and slice it. If someone else is picking up the tab, then it's welfare.

 

[Mac-7]

I see you didn't address any of my points but to make something up about needing illegals to keep our economy running, and conceding that there would be a labor shortage and a spike in inflation. Care to try and debunk anything I actually said?

I did you a favor by ignoring your argument that higher wages for American workers was inflationary and therefore bad

Paying American workers more is good for the economy

 

[Hollie]

Oh look. White nationalism.

Oh, look. A white hating racist.

 

[kevinthrowe]

I did you a favor by ignoring your argument that higher wages for American workers was inflationary and therefore bad

Paying American workers more is good for the economy

“ It’s bewildering to think that in a world of FINITE resources
We’ve built an entire economy on INFINITE growth “

 

[Mac-7]

“ It’s bewildering to think that in a world of FINITE resources
We’ve built an entire economy on INFINITE growth “

Spoken like a true loser

Without growth we’d both be wearing animal skins

 

[Slade3200]

AI Queen now?

Care to make an argument against any of the points?

 

[Slade3200]

I did you a favor by ignoring your argument that higher wages for American workers was inflationary and therefore bad

Paying American workers more is good for the economy

That would have been an easy point to ignore given that it wasn’t an argument I ever made. I did however make several points directly towards your OP. Are you able to address them directly or no?

 

[kevinthrowe]

Spoken like a true loser

Without growth we’d both be wearing animal skins

With uncontrolled growth we are out of resources

 

[Delldude]

Care to make an argument against any of the points?

Not savvy enough to come up with your own I see.