Federal judge blocks TX "show your papers" law

[Vandalshandle]

Okie, don't give up your day job to practice law. The fact that they have clocked you speeding gives them the right to demand your ID. If you were not seen breaking any laws, they have no right to stop you.

JEEZ! Did they not offer 8th grade Civics classes in your Jr. High?

Nothing in SB4 authorizes anyone to stop someone just to check ID, it says they can determine immigration status during normal interactions like a traffic stop. Maybe you should quit making shit up.


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OK, I honestly do not know why you are so dense. Homeschooling? You are walking down the street at midnight in a suburban neighborhood. You have brown skin, black hair, and brown eyes. A cop sees you, and asks you why you are in this neighborhood at this hour. You have done nothing wrong. You are suffering from insomnia, and took a walk. So far, your civil rights have not been violated. Under this Texas law, the cop can then demand that you produce proof of citizenship. Now, your civil rights have been violated. You don't have your wallet, and you don't carry around your birth certificate, so you tell the cop that you have no papers to show him. The cop detains you, takes you down to the station, and tells you that you must provide proof of citizenship. You have committed no crime, and the cop has no probable cause to question your citizenship, but your constitutional rights have just been violated.

Nice fantasy, the law authorizes no such thing. How about you provide a link to the portion of the law you claim does.


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I submit exhibit #1, which is the federal court order blocking the Texas law.

So you're talking out of your ass, you have no idea what the law actually says or what the requirements are.


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OK, Okie. I confess that I have had only one year of law school, and unlike you, am not qualified to sit on the Supreme Court. That being the case, you should contact the judge who blocked this law, and tell HIM why he is in error.

 

[Thinker101]

Look, guys, as I already said, I am aware that the Right wants to repeal most of the Bill of Rights, but it just isn't going to happen. You will be shut down every time. get over it.

Soooo, someone has difficult with their Right and Left.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Look, guys, as I already said, I am aware that the Right wants to repeal most of the Bill of Rights, but it just isn't going to happen. You will be shut down every time. get over it.

Soooo, someone has difficult with their Right and Left.

Every RW nut in America believes that the ACLU is an extreme Left organization, yet they even went to court to block an Illinois law that allowed the state to block an American NAZI rally, based on the ACLU's fight in favor of free speech.

 

[The Original Tree]

Look, guys, as I already said, I am aware that the Right wants to repeal most of the Bill of Rights, but it just isn't going to happen. You will be shut down every time. get over it.

Dumbass!

The Bill of Rights was crafted to PROTECT CITIZENS FROM EVIL PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
IT DOES NOT APPLY TO ILLEGALS OR TO YOUR FRIENDS WHO WANT TO EMPLOY THEM AS SLAVES IN THEIR SWEAT SHOPS.

 

[bodecea]

Federal judge blocks Texas' tough 'sanctuary cities' law

I feel sorry for the Texas legislature, having had a setback in their efforts to dismantle the Bill of Rights of the US constitution....

/----/ Tell us how the Bill of Rights applies to illegals in our country.

Are you saying they don't? Do Noncitizens Have Constitutional Rights?

 

[Vandalshandle]

ook, guys, as I already said, I am aware that the Right wants to repeal most of the Bill of Rights, but it just isn't going to happen. You will be shut down every time. get over it.

****. You.

Why is the "right" the only people trying to protect the bill of rights, you commie?

This post makes absolutely no sense, but, I suspect that you hear that alot, Boot.

 

[Thinker101]

Look, guys, as I already said, I am aware that the Right wants to repeal most of the Bill of Rights, but it just isn't going to happen. You will be shut down every time. get over it.

Soooo, someone has difficult with their Right and Left.

Every RW nut in America believes that the ACLU is an extreme Left organization, yet they even went to court to block an Illinois law that allowed the state to block an American NAZI rally, based on the ACLU's fight in favor of free speech.

Yeah, we all know what the left's "version" of free speech they're talking about.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Look, guys, as I already said, I am aware that the Right wants to repeal most of the Bill of Rights, but it just isn't going to happen. You will be shut down every time. get over it.

Dumbass!

The Bill of Rights was crafted to PROTECT CITIZENS FROM EVIL PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
IT DOES NOT APPLY TO ILLEGALS OR TO YOUR FRIENDS WHO WANT TO EMPLOY THEM AS SLAVES IN THEIR SWEAT SHOPS.

..and again, you don't need no stinkin' court to tell you who is illegal, and who isn't, do you Tree?

 

[The Original Tree]

False. Only if a cop has probable cause. Why in the hell do you think Sheriff Joe was sentenced to 6 months in the slammer?

He wasn't, he could have been if it were not for the pardon. I think he would have beat in on appeal.


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Vandal is a moron.

You don't have to charge Sheriff Joe with Contempt as the only way to charge him with anything if Sheriff Joe actually committed a crime. You charge him with the actual crime. The judge who heard Sheriff Joe's so called case, should be forcibly removed from The Bench.

Well, by god, tree, if only those federal judges who have attained there law degrees, passed the bar, and spent their entire adult lives practicing law, were only as educated as you are!

Hitler was an educated man, so was Goebbels, and the Idiot Racist Democrat Judges who made the Dredd Scott Decision.

Obama is a Marxist Traitor to The United States, and populated our Courts with Scumbag Activist Judges that should be dragged out of court in to the streets, tarred and feathered and rode out on a rail.

Illegal Aliens do not come under the Jurisdiction of US Courts unless they violate Criminal Law. They are under The Jurisdiction of The Country of Origin, and this is why we do not have to even follow due Process to Deport them.

They cannot prove Legal Citizenship, and they do not have to commit any other crime to be detained & deported. They are deported for violating immigration law. They can be imprisoned, serve a sentence and incarcerated for violation US Criminal Law.

They are NOT UNDER OUR JURISDICTION, THEREFORE THEY HAVE TO BE DEPORTED TO THE NATION WHO HAS JURISDICTION OVER THEM.

We gain JURISDICTION OVER AN ILLEGAL WHEN HE VIOLATES US CODE other than IMMIGRATION LAW, then he is considered an ALIEN CRIMINAL and subject to THE PENALTIES of his Criminal Acts.

THE 14th AMENDMENT WHICH WAS WRITTEN SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS THE RIGHTS OF FORMER SLAVES TO BE CITIZENS, SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES THIS.

The Fourteenth Amendment (Amendment XIV) to the United States Constitution was adopted on July 9, 1868, as one of the Reconstruction Amendments. The amendment addresses citizenship rights and equal protection of the laws and was proposed in response to issues related to former slaves following the American Civil War. The amendment was bitterly contested, particularly by the states of the defeated Confederacy, which were forced to ratify it in order to regain representation in Congress.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

In other words.

If you are in this country illegally, we do not have Jurisdiction over you. Slaves were in this country legally back then, and were under the jurisdiction of US Courts, and children born to Naturalized Slaves in THE US became Citizens, just as their parents did due to Emancipation and the 14th Amendment reasserting their rights.

Got it, Tree. You get to decide who is an illegal alien, not the court. I guess that means that we don't really need courts, do we?

You are clueless. You can't have past an 8th grade education and you can barely read and write English. US IMMIGRATION LAW determines who is an ILLEGAL, not your SCUMBAG OBAMA CUM GUZZLING ACTIVIST JUDGES trying to change the laws in this country.

And don't think I didn't notice your running away from my factual post on the 14th Amendment, Jurisdiction, & what a naturalized citizen is.

 

[OKTexas]

Federal judge blocks Texas' tough 'sanctuary cities' law

I feel sorry for the Texas legislature, having had a setback in their efforts to dismantle the Bill of Rights of the US constitution....

Go to hell, these activist judges have got to go. This is a clear interference with States police powers. The State certifies every law enforcement agency and they can set any rule they wish in regards to cooperating with immigration. They don't like it, the State can decertify them and take over the police department and sheriffs offices that don't want to abide by the law. I haven't been able to find the written decision yet, I want to see what this asshole actually said.


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So...you want to get rid of the third branch of government. Then what?

And I said that where? I want to get rid of the ones that allow politics to influence their judgments. Judges are there to apply the law, nothing else.


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[The Original Tree]

Look, guys, as I already said, I am aware that the Right wants to repeal most of the Bill of Rights, but it just isn't going to happen. You will be shut down every time. get over it.

Dumbass!

The Bill of Rights was crafted to PROTECT CITIZENS FROM EVIL PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
IT DOES NOT APPLY TO ILLEGALS OR TO YOUR FRIENDS WHO WANT TO EMPLOY THEM AS SLAVES IN THEIR SWEAT SHOPS.

..and again, you don't need no stinkin' court to tell you who is illegal, and who isn't, do you Tree?

No, I don't. I'll search their bodies after I drop them dead when they cross my property line for criminal trespassing.

Citizen or No Citizen, I have a right to send them to their maker just for that alone. Like I said, cross my property line any day without my permission.

I dare you. I won't even be prosecuted for it.

 

[Vandalshandle]

He wasn't, he could have been if it were not for the pardon. I think he would have beat in on appeal.


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Vandal is a moron.

You don't have to charge Sheriff Joe with Contempt as the only way to charge him with anything if Sheriff Joe actually committed a crime. You charge him with the actual crime. The judge who heard Sheriff Joe's so called case, should be forcibly removed from The Bench.

Well, by god, tree, if only those federal judges who have attained there law degrees, passed the bar, and spent their entire adult lives practicing law, were only as educated as you are!

Hitler was an educated man, so was Goebbels, and the Idiot Racist Democrat Judges who made the Dredd Scott Decision.

Obama is a Marxist Traitor to The United States, and populated our Courts with Scumbag Activist Judges that should be dragged out of court in to the streets, tarred and feathered and rode out on a rail.

Illegal Aliens do not come under the Jurisdiction of US Courts unless they violate Criminal Law. They are under The Jurisdiction of The Country of Origin, and this is why we do not have to even follow due Process to Deport them.

They cannot prove Legal Citizenship, and they do not have to commit any other crime to be detained & deported. They are deported for violating immigration law. They can be imprisoned, serve a sentence and incarcerated for violation US Criminal Law.

They are NOT UNDER OUR JURISDICTION, THEREFORE THEY HAVE TO BE DEPORTED TO THE NATION WHO HAS JURISDICTION OVER THEM.

We gain JURISDICTION OVER AN ILLEGAL WHEN HE VIOLATES US CODE other than IMMIGRATION LAW, then he is considered an ALIEN CRIMINAL and subject to THE PENALTIES of his Criminal Acts.

THE 14th AMENDMENT WHICH WAS WRITTEN SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS THE RIGHTS OF FORMER SLAVES TO BE CITIZENS, SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES THIS.

The Fourteenth Amendment (Amendment XIV) to the United States Constitution was adopted on July 9, 1868, as one of the Reconstruction Amendments. The amendment addresses citizenship rights and equal protection of the laws and was proposed in response to issues related to former slaves following the American Civil War. The amendment was bitterly contested, particularly by the states of the defeated Confederacy, which were forced to ratify it in order to regain representation in Congress.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

In other words.

If you are in this country illegally, we do not have Jurisdiction over you. Slaves were in this country legally back then, and were under the jurisdiction of US Courts, and children born to Naturalized Slaves in THE US became Citizens, just as their parents did due to Emancipation and the 14th Amendment reasserting their rights.

Got it, Tree. You get to decide who is an illegal alien, not the court. I guess that means that we don't really need courts, do we?

You are clueless. You can't have past an 8th grade education and you can barely read and write English. US IMMIGRATION LAW determines who is an ILLEGAL, not your SCUMBAG OBAMA CUM GUZZLING ACTIVIST JUDGES trying to change the laws in this country.

And don't think I didn't notice your running away from my factual post on the 14th Amendment, Jurisdiction, & what a naturalized citizen is.

Damn, Tree. I had no idea! All my life, I have thought that only a judge or jury can rule on whether or not someone broke the law.!!!

Somebody needs to let the Supreme Court in on this!

 

[OKTexas]

Nothing in SB4 authorizes anyone to stop someone just to check ID, it says they can determine immigration status during normal interactions like a traffic stop. Maybe you should quit making shit up.


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It requires local authorities to enforce immigration law. The federal government can deputize local authorities to enforce immigration law however it is voluntary. They cannot force local authorities to enforce immigration law. That is what this bill does. They want powers that even the federal government wants.

The feds have nothing to do with this, the State is requiring local officials to cooperate with federal immigration officials. The State has every right to do that.


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...and you claim that even though the feds shut down a similar operation in AZ, AND have blocked the Texas law. get out of the Nile, OK, there are crocodiles in there.

The TX law was crafted to comply with the AZ ruling dummy.


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And the AZ law, in which the state tried to enforce federal law, was also shut down, dummy. And BTW, I live in AZ.

That's not what the TX law does, it requires cooperation and I guarantee it will be upheld eventually.


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[Vandalshandle]

Look, guys, as I already said, I am aware that the Right wants to repeal most of the Bill of Rights, but it just isn't going to happen. You will be shut down every time. get over it.

Dumbass!

The Bill of Rights was crafted to PROTECT CITIZENS FROM EVIL PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
IT DOES NOT APPLY TO ILLEGALS OR TO YOUR FRIENDS WHO WANT TO EMPLOY THEM AS SLAVES IN THEIR SWEAT SHOPS.

..and again, you don't need no stinkin' court to tell you who is illegal, and who isn't, do you Tree?

No, I don't. I'll search their bodies after I drop them dead when they cross my property line for criminal trespassing.

Citizen or No Citizen, I have a right to send them to their maker just for that alone. Like I said, cross my property line any day without my permission.

I dare you. I won't even be prosecuted for it.

Tree, for christ sake, take a Valium, or something...

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

For the first time in American history, we are witnessing an all out denial of opposition through obstruction.

The Left has no intention of ever allowing bi-partisan government. The Right is still under the Left's spell of mass & public shaming.
The reason shaming doesn't work on the Left is that for the most part, their narcissistic nature is immune to morality and conscious.

If the Right continues to passively accept it.....we are deserving of the chains they are placing on our wrists and the noose they are placing around our necks.

And BTW...arguing on forums without action off the forums is accepting the noose.....

 

[Vandalshandle]

It requires local authorities to enforce immigration law. The federal government can deputize local authorities to enforce immigration law however it is voluntary. They cannot force local authorities to enforce immigration law. That is what this bill does. They want powers that even the federal government wants.

The feds have nothing to do with this, the State is requiring local officials to cooperate with federal immigration officials. The State has every right to do that.


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...and you claim that even though the feds shut down a similar operation in AZ, AND have blocked the Texas law. get out of the Nile, OK, there are crocodiles in there.

The TX law was crafted to comply with the AZ ruling dummy.


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And the AZ law, in which the state tried to enforce federal law, was also shut down, dummy. And BTW, I live in AZ.

That's not what the TX law does, it requires cooperation and I guarantee it will be upheld eventually.


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Well, be sure to get back to me when that law is upheld. In the meantime, if the law is implemented, the parties involved are in contemp.

 

[Vandalshandle]

For the first time in American history, we are witnessing an all out denial of opposition through obstruction.

The Left has no intention of ever allowing bi-partisan government. The Right is still under the Left's spell of mass & public shaming.
The reason shaming doesn't work on the Left is that for the most part, their narcissistic nature is immune to morality and conscious.

If the Right continues to passively accept it.....we are deserving of the chains they are placing on our wrists and the noose they are placing around our necks.

And BTW...arguing on forums without action off the forums is accepting the noose.....

i can not argue with that. We WILL resist the RW agenda to repeal the Bill of Rights.

 

[The Original Tree]

Vandal is a moron.

You don't have to charge Sheriff Joe with Contempt as the only way to charge him with anything if Sheriff Joe actually committed a crime. You charge him with the actual crime. The judge who heard Sheriff Joe's so called case, should be forcibly removed from The Bench.

Well, by god, tree, if only those federal judges who have attained there law degrees, passed the bar, and spent their entire adult lives practicing law, were only as educated as you are!

Hitler was an educated man, so was Goebbels, and the Idiot Racist Democrat Judges who made the Dredd Scott Decision.

Obama is a Marxist Traitor to The United States, and populated our Courts with Scumbag Activist Judges that should be dragged out of court in to the streets, tarred and feathered and rode out on a rail.

Illegal Aliens do not come under the Jurisdiction of US Courts unless they violate Criminal Law. They are under The Jurisdiction of The Country of Origin, and this is why we do not have to even follow due Process to Deport them.

They cannot prove Legal Citizenship, and they do not have to commit any other crime to be detained & deported. They are deported for violating immigration law. They can be imprisoned, serve a sentence and incarcerated for violation US Criminal Law.

They are NOT UNDER OUR JURISDICTION, THEREFORE THEY HAVE TO BE DEPORTED TO THE NATION WHO HAS JURISDICTION OVER THEM.

We gain JURISDICTION OVER AN ILLEGAL WHEN HE VIOLATES US CODE other than IMMIGRATION LAW, then he is considered an ALIEN CRIMINAL and subject to THE PENALTIES of his Criminal Acts.

THE 14th AMENDMENT WHICH WAS WRITTEN SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS THE RIGHTS OF FORMER SLAVES TO BE CITIZENS, SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES THIS.

The Fourteenth Amendment (Amendment XIV) to the United States Constitution was adopted on July 9, 1868, as one of the Reconstruction Amendments. The amendment addresses citizenship rights and equal protection of the laws and was proposed in response to issues related to former slaves following the American Civil War. The amendment was bitterly contested, particularly by the states of the defeated Confederacy, which were forced to ratify it in order to regain representation in Congress.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

In other words.

If you are in this country illegally, we do not have Jurisdiction over you. Slaves were in this country legally back then, and were under the jurisdiction of US Courts, and children born to Naturalized Slaves in THE US became Citizens, just as their parents did due to Emancipation and the 14th Amendment reasserting their rights.

Got it, Tree. You get to decide who is an illegal alien, not the court. I guess that means that we don't really need courts, do we?

You are clueless. You can't have past an 8th grade education and you can barely read and write English. US IMMIGRATION LAW determines who is an ILLEGAL, not your SCUMBAG OBAMA CUM GUZZLING ACTIVIST JUDGES trying to change the laws in this country.

And don't think I didn't notice your running away from my factual post on the 14th Amendment, Jurisdiction, & what a naturalized citizen is.

Damn, Tree. I had no idea! All my life, I have thought that only a judge or jury can rule on whether or not someone broke the law.!!!

Somebody needs to let the Supreme Court in on this!

Again, you are a moron.

There are different types of JURISDICTION IDIOT.

The First JURISDICTION is Immigration Law in THE US which applies to all NON CITIZENS.
The Bill of Rights does not apply to these people, and that is why we can Detain and Deport them without a trial, and the second it is verified they are illegal boot their ******* asses out of THE US. DUE PROCESS DOES NOT APPLY.

The 2nd Level of Jurisdiction is US FEDERAL CODE. Illegals come under US JURISDICTION WHEN THEY VIOLATE IT, and THEN THEY CAN HAVE A TRIAL, NOT FOR entering the country illegally, but for Violating US CODE, and for SENTENCING. After Sentencing and serving it, they are remanded back to the 1st level and should be immediately deported.

The 3rd and 4th levels of Jurisdiction, are State and Local codes.

An IlIegal under the 1st level can violate the 2nd, 3rd and 4th levels of Law, and come under that jurisdiction and be prosecuted for offenses. After they serve sentence, they are remanded back to the 1st level where DUE PROCESS does not apply, same as when they are remanded from 2nd Level back to 1st under IMMIGRATION LAW and kicked the **** out of my country. No Trial needed.

Just get the **** out of here, because you have ZERO Knowledge about THE LAW.

 

[The Original Tree]

Look, guys, as I already said, I am aware that the Right wants to repeal most of the Bill of Rights, but it just isn't going to happen. You will be shut down every time. get over it.

Dumbass!

The Bill of Rights was crafted to PROTECT CITIZENS FROM EVIL PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
IT DOES NOT APPLY TO ILLEGALS OR TO YOUR FRIENDS WHO WANT TO EMPLOY THEM AS SLAVES IN THEIR SWEAT SHOPS.

..and again, you don't need no stinkin' court to tell you who is illegal, and who isn't, do you Tree?

No, I don't. I'll search their bodies after I drop them dead when they cross my property line for criminal trespassing.

Citizen or No Citizen, I have a right to send them to their maker just for that alone. Like I said, cross my property line any day without my permission.

I dare you. I won't even be prosecuted for it.

Tree, for christ sake, take a Valium, or something...

Take a Citizenship Test, and become a citizen or get the **** out of my country or something.

 

[OKTexas]

Nothing in SB4 authorizes anyone to stop someone just to check ID, it says they can determine immigration status during normal interactions like a traffic stop. Maybe you should quit making shit up.


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OK, I honestly do not know why you are so dense. Homeschooling? You are walking down the street at midnight in a suburban neighborhood. You have brown skin, black hair, and brown eyes. A cop sees you, and asks you why you are in this neighborhood at this hour. You have done nothing wrong. You are suffering from insomnia, and took a walk. So far, your civil rights have not been violated. Under this Texas law, the cop can then demand that you produce proof of citizenship. Now, your civil rights have been violated. You don't have your wallet, and you don't carry around your birth certificate, so you tell the cop that you have no papers to show him. The cop detains you, takes you down to the station, and tells you that you must provide proof of citizenship. You have committed no crime, and the cop has no probable cause to question your citizenship, but your constitutional rights have just been violated.

Nice fantasy, the law authorizes no such thing. How about you provide a link to the portion of the law you claim does.


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I submit exhibit #1, which is the federal court order blocking the Texas law.

So you're talking out of your ass, you have no idea what the law actually says or what the requirements are.


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OK, Okie. I confess that I have had only one year of law school, and unlike you, am not qualified to sit on the Supreme Court. That being the case, you should contact the judge who blocked this law, and tell HIM why he is in error.

The 5th circuit will likely do that.


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