Federal judge blocks TX "show your papers" law

[OKTexas]

What do you not understand about premature? Trump should have waited for the appeals to play out. No comment on Joe being illegally denied a jury trial? Coward much?


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i will ignore your "coward" comment, and simply reply that I do not think that either one of us is in a position to interpret the finer points of the law. The difference between you and I is that I consider judgments rendered by the judicial system to be valid, and binding, according to the constitution. You, on the other hand, interpret every judgment rendered that does not dovetail into your agenda as being incorrect. That is fine with me. It is equivilent to you standing in the rain, and declaring that the weatherman is wrong, and it is a sunny day.

I provided the federal procedures, tell me the judge followed them. When judges enter into realms where they constitutionally have no authority I will say so. It happens all the time. This judge committed a reversible error and I firmly believe Joe would at the minimum be granted a new trial, one with a jury. Judges are not infallible, they're reversed all the time.


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You definitely should have emailed the SC, and told them to dust off that empty chair for you, months ago. It is too late now, since Trump has already filled it. As for me, I am just a humble country boy with 8th grade Civics, and 1 year of law school under my belt, and do not aspire to make decisions on legal issues that require more education than I have. However, I DO understand the Bill of Rights.

Unlike you, I don't consider myself inferior to anyone, I'v held my own in debates with several lawyers, and more than one have walked away saying, "I never thought about like that". Remember, having a law degree just means they spent more years in the government halls of indoctrination. One of our fine SCOTUS justices took constitutional studies out of the curriculum for a law degree at Harvard Law and never sat on the bench before her appointment.


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Wow! I wish I could be like you, a legal expert on everything!!!

Maybe if you learned to read it would help. LMAO


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[Crixus]

The state is interfering with local police. They can not force local police forces to enforce immigration law. Also removing democratically elected local governments is a police state mentality. Yet Greg Abbott claims to be a conservative.

Here is the thing, the jails let setbacks loose and they are typically multiple offenders. DUI, rape, child molestation, assault, burgelery and so on. The state makes no effort to remove them. So if state and county won't enforce the law, then take away all federal money to that department. Don't shut them down. When then illegals rape a child or kill people drunk driving then shame the department out of existence. Better yet, if they want all the cool old army stuff, then tell them to enforce the law.

So, the focus here is on Illegal immigrants who rape. Oddly enough, I don't know anybody who has ever been raped by an illegal immigrant. Are you mostly concerned with illegal immigrants who are latino, or are you just as concerned about illegal immigrants who are Canadian? (BTW, there are more Canadians overstaying their visas than there are Latinos).

Homeland Security produces first estimate of foreign visitors to U.S. who overstay deadline to leave

It's an easy fix to get them all out, the government just has to have the will to implement it.


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Did I miss your explanation as to what that easy fix is?

In the day of computers it would be simple to track visa entry and exits. If they don't leave as agreed pick their asses up. Personally I would like to see a change in the law to criminalize visa overstays, require new applicants to purchase a return bond. If they fail to leave on time, send bounty hunters after them and pay them with the bond monies. It wouldn't take long to get the word out and folks would stop that shit.


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My dad was illegal for a bit in 79-80ish. INS had ZERO issues finding him and reminding him of that fact. It even cost him a few hundred bucks. They could find every one if they wanted.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

My dad was illegal for a bit in 79-80ish. INS had ZERO issues finding him and reminding him of that fact. It even cost him a few hundred bucks. They could find every one if they wanted.

Yes. Motivation is the issue.

Don't pay your taxes. Watch how fast they find you.

 

[Taz]

We should kick all the beaners out regardless of status.

 

[bodecea]

We should kick all the beaners out regardless of status.

So....you only care about the "beaners"? Every other illegal can stay as far as you are concerned?

 

[Crixus]

My dad was illegal for a bit in 79-80ish. INS had ZERO issues finding him and reminding him of that fact. It even cost him a few hundred bucks. They could find every one if they wanted.

Yes. Motivation is the issue.

Don't pay your taxes. Watch how fast they find you.

I already know about them damn tax's. It's kind of why I'm glad my house was over run by the floodin, whoop, whoop!

 

[Taz]

We should kick all the beaners out regardless of status.

So....you only care about the "beaners"? Every other illegal can stay as far as you are concerned?

Gotta start somewhere. Beaners are the biggest problem.

 

[Crixus]

We should kick all the beaners out regardless of status.

So....you only care about the "beaners"? Every other illegal can stay as far as you are concerned?

Gotta start somewhere. Beaners are the biggest problem.

Yeah, I notice they really don't have an issue with. Canadians here illegally.

 

[charwin95]

Deflection? I don't think so. The federal judge blocked this idiotic TX law because, in his opinion, it violates the Bill of Rights, which courts have interpreted as prohibiting police interrogation without probable cause. I do believe, Okie, that you are the one that is deflecting.

Getting an ID is not an interrogation.


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If I stopped you without any reason but because you look Hispanic is racial profiling. Since when that is acceptable?

If I stopped you just because of your color then asked for your ID that is called interrogation.

First hispanic isn't a race, it an ethnicity. Second if a cop has a reasonable suspension you are violating the law, that he can articulate, he can stop you. See Terry Stop.


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Just by being brown or Mexican. What law they violated? Since when that is acceptable?

Feel free to point where I said it was.


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Pay attention to the topic.

 

[OKTexas]

Getting an ID is not an interrogation.


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If I stopped you without any reason but because you look Hispanic is racial profiling. Since when that is acceptable?

If I stopped you just because of your color then asked for your ID that is called interrogation.

First hispanic isn't a race, it an ethnicity. Second if a cop has a reasonable suspension you are violating the law, that he can articulate, he can stop you. See Terry Stop.


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Just by being brown or Mexican. What law they violated? Since when that is acceptable?

Feel free to point where I said it was.


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Pay attention to the topic.

Which topic would that be, this thread has splintered in many directions.


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[C_Clayton_Jones]

Of course, there is no such thing as 'sanctuary cities,' this notion is a ridiculous lie contrived by the right, the consequence of conservatives’ hate and bigotry, and unwarranted fear of Hispanic immigrants.

All jurisdictions in Texas are in compliance with Federal immigration laws.

It’s also a rightwing lie that the myth of 'sanctuary cities’ contributes to crimes committed by undocumented immigrants.

In fact the opposite is true, where the Texas measure could actually facilitate crime:

‘There is much confusion about the term “sanctuary city.” The term is often used derisively by immigration opponents to blast what are best described as community policing policies. Critics claim that these cities and states provide “sanctuary” to undocumented immigrants, but research shows that the opposite is true. In fact, community policing policies are about providing public safety services, not sanctuary, to both immigrant residents and the entire community. Crime experts, including hundreds of local police officers, have found that cities with community policing policies continue to work closely with DHS and have built bridges to immigrant communities that have improved their ability to fight crime and protect the entire community.’

Debunking the Myth of "Sanctuary Cities"