Federal judge blocks TX "show your papers" law

[peach174]

At what point is asking me for ID unconstitutional?

When the law enforcement officer demands your ID without probable cause, as outlined in the 4th Amendment.

Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

Okay, now that has likely been hashed out and settled a bunch of times, but what is unreasonable search and seizure? And really, the 4th should not apply to non citizens, especially after violating the laws I linked to above. That aside, how would asking for is to vote be unreasonable search and seizure? I mean, if it were why didn't the judge just say that?

I know that i have stated the obvious on this thread at least 10 times. There is no such thing as an illegal alien until a court of law pronounces them guilty of entering the US illegally. Therefore, the constitution applies to everyone on American soil who has not been convicted of entering illegally. Until that happens, they are "undocumented", not "illegal"

The two words mean the same thing.
If you can't show your documents you are breaking the law and you are here illegally.
Stop trying to make the two words as being different.
They aren't.

Not true. If Sergent Fascist cop arrests someone for not showing his documentation, he is nothing but an undocumented alien, suspected of being an illegal alien. Only a judge can change him from being "undocumented", to "illegal". In fact, once they get to the police station, if jose calls his wife and has her bring his documentation down to the precinct, he is neither undocumented, nor illegal.

You are correct, they have proved they are here legally and no harm other than an inconvenience, which is life in general.
The left protect the lawless.
Not the law

 

[Vandalshandle]

The Democratic Party is full of despicable racist cretins like Judge Orlando L. Garcia. The Democrats have racist hate groups like La Raza, Mecha, LULAC and the Aztlan Nationalist who want to stop the enforcement of our immigration laws because of their cultural conquest goal of taking over America.

I know, Trog. The Right hates the "due process" guarantee of the Bill of Rights, just as much as the "probable cause" right

 

[OKTexas]

You're full of crap, every State has implied consent laws the a apply anytime you operate a motor vehicle on public roads.


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So, this didn't happen, did it?

Apples and oranges. BP in not a State law enforcement officer.


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My constitutional civil rights trump state law. If you don't believe me, go dig up George Wallace, and ask him. I could be arrested illegally for failure to cooperate with a state cop, but if I choose to spend the money, I would win in court, unless he had probable cause. If you don't believe that, ask Sheriff Joe.

Sheriff Joe did nothing wrong except piss off a regressive activist judge. His department was operating under an agreement with ICE during the period he was held in contempt for. They had every right to check immigration status. But hey, let's not let little things like facts get in the way of good commie propaganda, right?


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Nope. He willfully, and knowingly ignored a federal judges order to stop profiling. For that, he was convicted. In the process, the taxpayers of Maricopa County have to fork over millions of dollars in fines to the feds.

Really, he didn't do anything without consulting with legal counsel, who told him he was operating within the judges order.


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[Vandalshandle]

When the law enforcement officer demands your ID without probable cause, as outlined in the 4th Amendment.

Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

Okay, now that has likely been hashed out and settled a bunch of times, but what is unreasonable search and seizure? And really, the 4th should not apply to non citizens, especially after violating the laws I linked to above. That aside, how would asking for is to vote be unreasonable search and seizure? I mean, if it were why didn't the judge just say that?

I know that i have stated the obvious on this thread at least 10 times. There is no such thing as an illegal alien until a court of law pronounces them guilty of entering the US illegally. Therefore, the constitution applies to everyone on American soil who has not been convicted of entering illegally. Until that happens, they are "undocumented", not "illegal"

The two words mean the same thing.
If you can't show your documents you are breaking the law and you are here illegally.
Stop trying to make the two words as being different.
They aren't.

Not true. If Sergent Fascist cop arrests someone for not showing his documentation, he is nothing but an undocumented alien, suspected of being an illegal alien. Only a judge can change him from being "undocumented", to "illegal". In fact, once they get to the police station, if jose calls his wife and has her bring his documentation down to the precinct, he is neither undocumented, nor illegal.

You are correct, they have proved they are here legally and no harm other than an inconvenience, which is life in general.
The left protect the lawless.
Not the law

You are being unfair, Peach. I would even insist that YOU be given a fair trial before you are convicted of a crime and deported!

 

[Vandalshandle]

So, this didn't happen, did it?

Apples and oranges. BP in not a State law enforcement officer.


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My constitutional civil rights trump state law. If you don't believe me, go dig up George Wallace, and ask him. I could be arrested illegally for failure to cooperate with a state cop, but if I choose to spend the money, I would win in court, unless he had probable cause. If you don't believe that, ask Sheriff Joe.

Sheriff Joe did nothing wrong except piss off a regressive activist judge. His department was operating under an agreement with ICE during the period he was held in contempt for. They had every right to check immigration status. But hey, let's not let little things like facts get in the way of good commie propaganda, right?


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Nope. He willfully, and knowingly ignored a federal judges order to stop profiling. For that, he was convicted. In the process, the taxpayers of Maricopa County have to fork over millions of dollars in fines to the feds.

Really, he didn't do anything without consulting with legal counsel, who told him he was operating within the judges order.


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The guy has been sheriff for what, 60 years, and he does not understand what "cease and desist" means?

 

[peach174]

The reason why the Corrupt Democratic Party does every thing that they can to prevent the enforcement of our immigration laws is because they want to make white voters the minority ASAP.
Democrats are just straight-up racist.

They always protect the law breakers but not the American Citizen.

The Bill of Rights protects you equally to every other American citizen. Don't like it? Write a letter to founding father, James Madison. He wrote it.

They are not citizens.

Oh! I didn't know that you had the power to pronounce guilt or innocence. How long have you been a judge, Peach?

You don't know the law?
That's all I'm talking about.
I never implied that I was a judge.
Do you always project much like this?

 

[Vandalshandle]

The reason why the Corrupt Democratic Party does every thing that they can to prevent the enforcement of our immigration laws is because they want to make white voters the minority ASAP.
Democrats are just straight-up racist.

They always protect the law breakers but not the American Citizen.

The Bill of Rights protects you equally to every other American citizen. Don't like it? Write a letter to founding father, James Madison. He wrote it.

They are not citizens.

Oh! I didn't know that you had the power to pronounce guilt or innocence. How long have you been a judge, Peach?

You don't know the law?
That's all I'm talking about.
I never implied that I was a judge.
Do you always project much like this?

well, you are stating that people who are not citizens, so they have no constitutional rights. by what authority under the law do you proclaim who is a citizen, and who is not?

 

[charwin95]

Don't get me wrong. I think that there may be a case for repealing the Bill of Rights. Maybe we should start with the 2nd Amendment....

Typical regressive, run straight to the absurd. How about you rebut what I said instead of deflecting like an ignorant *****.


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Deflection? I don't think so. The federal judge blocked this idiotic TX law because, in his opinion, it violates the Bill of Rights, which courts have interpreted as prohibiting police interrogation without probable cause. I do believe, Okie, that you are the one that is deflecting.

Getting an ID is not an interrogation.


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If I stopped you without any reason but because you look Hispanic is racial profiling. Since when that is acceptable?

If I stopped you just because of your color then asked for your ID that is called interrogation.

First hispanic isn't a race, it an ethnicity. Second if a cop has a reasonable suspension you are violating the law, that he can articulate, he can stop you. See Terry Stop.


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Just by being brown or Mexican. What law they violated? Since when that is acceptable?

 

[peach174]

Okay, now that has likely been hashed out and settled a bunch of times, but what is unreasonable search and seizure? And really, the 4th should not apply to non citizens, especially after violating the laws I linked to above. That aside, how would asking for is to vote be unreasonable search and seizure? I mean, if it were why didn't the judge just say that?

I know that i have stated the obvious on this thread at least 10 times. There is no such thing as an illegal alien until a court of law pronounces them guilty of entering the US illegally. Therefore, the constitution applies to everyone on American soil who has not been convicted of entering illegally. Until that happens, they are "undocumented", not "illegal"

The two words mean the same thing.
If you can't show your documents you are breaking the law and you are here illegally.
Stop trying to make the two words as being different.
They aren't.

Not true. If Sergent Fascist cop arrests someone for not showing his documentation, he is nothing but an undocumented alien, suspected of being an illegal alien. Only a judge can change him from being "undocumented", to "illegal". In fact, once they get to the police station, if jose calls his wife and has her bring his documentation down to the precinct, he is neither undocumented, nor illegal.

You are correct, they have proved they are here legally and no harm other than an inconvenience, which is life in general.
The left protect the lawless.
Not the law

You are being unfair, Peach. I would even insist that YOU be given a fair trial before you are convicted of a crime and deported!

Everyone deserves a fair trial.
If you don't come in legally you are breaking our immigration laws.

 

[OKTexas]

The reason why the Corrupt Democratic Party does every thing that they can to prevent the enforcement of our immigration laws is because they want to make white voters the minority ASAP.
Democrats are just straight-up racist.

They always protect the law breakers but not the American Citizen.

The Bill of Rights protects you equally to every other American citizen. Don't like it? Write a letter to founding father, James Madison. He wrote it.

He also wrote this:

The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State. -James Madison Federalist 45


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[Vandalshandle]

The reason why the Corrupt Democratic Party does every thing that they can to prevent the enforcement of our immigration laws is because they want to make white voters the minority ASAP.
Democrats are just straight-up racist.

They always protect the law breakers but not the American Citizen.

The Bill of Rights protects you equally to every other American citizen. Don't like it? Write a letter to founding father, James Madison. He wrote it.

He also wrote this:

The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State. -James Madison Federalist 45


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Nicely written opinion, but not part of the Constitution, and not American law.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

People who are opposed to enforcing our immigration laws are racist.

People who refuse to accept that America is a sovereign country are racist

People who do not accept that America is an English speaking country are racist

People who oppose Voter ID are racist

The Aztlan Nationalist Democrats are racist.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Between 2012 and 2016 the Corrupt Obama administration gave over $290 million$ of taxpayer funds to racist non-profit groups that are dedicated to stopping the enforcement of our immigration laws. They need to check and see if these left wing judges are affiliated with any of those groups.

 

[OKTexas]

Apples and oranges. BP in not a State law enforcement officer.


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My constitutional civil rights trump state law. If you don't believe me, go dig up George Wallace, and ask him. I could be arrested illegally for failure to cooperate with a state cop, but if I choose to spend the money, I would win in court, unless he had probable cause. If you don't believe that, ask Sheriff Joe.

Sheriff Joe did nothing wrong except piss off a regressive activist judge. His department was operating under an agreement with ICE during the period he was held in contempt for. They had every right to check immigration status. But hey, let's not let little things like facts get in the way of good commie propaganda, right?


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Nope. He willfully, and knowingly ignored a federal judges order to stop profiling. For that, he was convicted. In the process, the taxpayers of Maricopa County have to fork over millions of dollars in fines to the feds.

Really, he didn't do anything without consulting with legal counsel, who told him he was operating within the judges order.


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The guy has been sheriff for what, 60 years, and he does not understand what "cease and desist" means?

Evidently his attorneys didn't, if you hired an attorney would you take his advice? Don't you think it's kind of strange, he asked for a jury trial and was denied. What was the judge hiding?


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[OKTexas]

Typical regressive, run straight to the absurd. How about you rebut what I said instead of deflecting like an ignorant *****.


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Deflection? I don't think so. The federal judge blocked this idiotic TX law because, in his opinion, it violates the Bill of Rights, which courts have interpreted as prohibiting police interrogation without probable cause. I do believe, Okie, that you are the one that is deflecting.

Getting an ID is not an interrogation.


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If I stopped you without any reason but because you look Hispanic is racial profiling. Since when that is acceptable?

If I stopped you just because of your color then asked for your ID that is called interrogation.

First hispanic isn't a race, it an ethnicity. Second if a cop has a reasonable suspension you are violating the law, that he can articulate, he can stop you. See Terry Stop.


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Just by being brown or Mexican. What law they violated? Since when that is acceptable?

Feel free to point where I said it was.


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[OKTexas]

The reason why the Corrupt Democratic Party does every thing that they can to prevent the enforcement of our immigration laws is because they want to make white voters the minority ASAP.
Democrats are just straight-up racist.

They always protect the law breakers but not the American Citizen.

The Bill of Rights protects you equally to every other American citizen. Don't like it? Write a letter to founding father, James Madison. He wrote it.

He also wrote this:

The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State. -James Madison Federalist 45


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Nicely written opinion, but not part of the Constitution, and not American law.

Wrong again skippy, he's saying that exactly what the Constitution says. It's called original intent.


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[bodecea]

Millions of Democrat Voters are those horrible Racist Atzlan Nationalist who brag about taking over America.

My condolences on the closing down of your website.

 

[bodecea]

Federal judge blocks Texas' tough 'sanctuary cities' law

I feel sorry for the Texas legislature, having had a setback in their efforts to dismantle the Bill of Rights of the US constitution....

Go to hell, these activist judges have got to go. This is a clear interference with States police powers. The State certifies every law enforcement agency and they can set any rule they wish in regards to cooperating with immigration. They don't like it, the State can decertify them and take over the police department and sheriffs offices that don't want to abide by the law. I haven't been able to find the written decision yet, I want to see what this asshole actually said.


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The state is interfering with local police. They can not force local police forces to enforce immigration law. Also removing democratically elected local governments is a police state mentality. Yet Greg Abbott claims to be a conservative.

Here is the thing, the jails let setbacks loose and they are typically multiple offenders. DUI, rape, child molestation, assault, burgelery and so on. The state makes no effort to remove them. So if state and county won't enforce the law, then take away all federal money to that department. Don't shut them down. When then illegals rape a child or kill people drunk driving then shame the department out of existence. Better yet, if they want all the cool old army stuff, then tell them to enforce the law.

So, the focus here is on Illegal immigrants who rape. Oddly enough, I don't know anybody who has ever been raped by an illegal immigrant. Are you mostly concerned with illegal immigrants who are latino, or are you just as concerned about illegal immigrants who are Canadian? (BTW, there are more Canadians overstaying their visas than there are Latinos).

Homeland Security produces first estimate of foreign visitors to U.S. who overstay deadline to leave

It's an easy fix to get them all out, the government just has to have the will to implement it.


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Did I miss your explanation as to what that easy fix is?

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Millions of Democrat Voters are those horrible Racist Atzlan Nationalist who brag about taking over America.

My condolences on the closing down of your website.

aaand what website would that be?

 

[Vandalshandle]

The reason why the Corrupt Democratic Party does every thing that they can to prevent the enforcement of our immigration laws is because they want to make white voters the minority ASAP.
Democrats are just straight-up racist.

They always protect the law breakers but not the American Citizen.

The Bill of Rights protects you equally to every other American citizen. Don't like it? Write a letter to founding father, James Madison. He wrote it.

He also wrote this:

The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State. -James Madison Federalist 45


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Nicely written opinion, but not part of the Constitution, and not American law.

Wrong again skippy, he's saying that exactly what the Constitution says. It's call original intent.


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Original intent is no precedent in law. It is only used in an attempt to persuade a judge. It carries no weight on which an appeal can be based.