Federal Judge Allows Trump to Deploy National Guard to Chicago After Agents Attacked

[Lisa558]

I wouldn't call the protest in the name of St. Floyd peaceful when 200 cities were burning.

….with $2 billion in property damage and almost 30 murders.

 

[Lisa558]

It is Title 10 orders. Obviously Federal Activation with Federal Title 10 orders.
No Democratic Mayors are actively tying to harm them, no organized rebellion taking place, certainly not at a Mayor's office level. No cities burning, no mass armed resistance. Try watching local news outlets from those cities, instead of the FOX cherry picked government news feeds.

No, but violent leftists ARE attacking ICE officers who are trying to enforce the law and do what’s best for America.

They need protection from that, and the Dem mayors hav made it clear they are on the illegals’ side and opposed to American law enforcement.

The NG is justified.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Dude, a thousand times yes and a thousand agreements.

I was literally the victim of entrapment by my country's feds, or as they euphemistically call it, a sting operation, so as to quiet their conscience. I have never ever committed any crimes, all I did was make really outrageous political statements online. The intelligence communities of all Western countries, they all do it. They learn from the same Masters. They also exchange notes with one another to hone and refine their entrapping craft.

I'm sorry that you went through it personally. What a nightmare for an individual to have the weight of government turned against them!

Even some local case in a relatively small city, you would have an office of prosecutors, nearly always a prosecution friendly judge, investigators who will literally lie to get a conviction, and all you have is one attorney if you can afford that.

Imagine a highly politicized bloated federal government coming at you and stonewalling all attempts by congress or the courts to look into what they are doing. In the last nine years, many people did not have to imagine it.

 

[White 6]

I wouldn't call the protest in the name of St. Floyd peaceful when 200 cities were burning.

200 cities burning? BS. Protests were widespread, it was true, mostly marches. There was even some picking march here and many cities in our state. But, nothing burned or significant property damage anywhere in the state. Where there was, I always thought the governors were remiss in not seeing and reacting to the danger, failing to activate their National Guard for crowd/riot control. Even then, there was no need for Federal Troops in those cities, and there certainly is no need for it now, as there are no cities burning, no looting, etc.

 

[Seymour Flops]

A viable third party is exactly what this country needs. It can’t be mandated. It has to evolve and gain strength on its own. I think most people who vote Republican would welcome a third Party while Democrats across the board would hate to see a third party.

My ideal third party would be largely Centrist. It would be socially liberal while fiscally conservative and small government on both social and economic issues. This Party would be diverse and void of identity politics.

Democrat leaders would hate to see a third party. They have become so afraid of their most radical New York woke communist wing that they cater to them, amazing the working class Democratic voters that they have already lost to Trump, as well as the professional class snobs who hate the working class who have traditionally voted (D) because all their professors did.

Absent Trump, who for better or worse, rightly or wrongly, is a voter loyalty magnet, the Republicans may struggle against a truly moderate Democrat. But it would be difficult for any current prominent Dem to claim that label.

A moderate third party candidate, with his own money or some monied backers could have a huge effect in 2028.

 

[MayorQuimby]

It is Title 10 orders. Obviously Federal Activation with Federal Title 10 orders.

What is a Title 10 Order? I am not an American.

No Democratic Mayors are actively tying to harm them, no organized rebellion taking place, certainly not at a Mayor's office level. No cities burning, no mass armed resistance.

Ok, maybe I misspoke when I said Dem mayors actively tried to harm them. I read the original story again, they didn't do something as bad as that, however, they did abandon federal agents who needed their help. This is desertion, is it not? It's bad if it is. And they also failed to prosecute criminals (that woman who rammed into the Border patrol convoy is a literal criminal), which though isn't technically them actively attacking federal officials, it's still incredibly bad. It's them coddling criminals and essentially sending out the message that it's OK to harm federal officials and the mayor won't do anything to punish you. But of course, since this isn't outright organized rebellion, so in your book, it's no big deal and we should totally just let it slide. Hey, no armed resistance, so everything is A-OK, right?

 

[MayorQuimby]

I'm sorry that you went through it personally. What a nightmare for an individual to have the weight of government turned against them!

Even some local case in a relatively small city, you would have an office of prosecutors, nearly always a prosecution friendly judge, investigators who will literally lie to get a conviction, and all you have is one attorney if you can afford that.

Imagine a highly politicized bloated federal government coming at you and stonewalling all attempts by congress or the courts to look into what they are doing. In the last nine years, many people did not have to imagine it.

Thank you sir.

 

[WEATHER53]

Wrong. The vast majority of the time, they are, in fact, peaceful, and protest has always been part and parcel to government policy or activity. Peaceful protest is protected speech, guaranteed in the Bill of Rights.

Vast majority of time peaceful is an incorrect statement

 

[LeftofLeft]

I totally agree that a properly drawn up third party that brings real change, would take votes away from the Republicans. And yes, I am absolutely working on this myself. Bonus if others also wish to join and help me.

Although my party would be socially conservative. I am sick of all this "socially liberal" talk. I am sick of anything Left-related. There is nothing wrong with being "xenophobic", "close-minded", "insular"..etc etc. I believe that a proper nation should have a common language, a common culture that unifies her people, a shared lineage (aka blood). A healthy country should have all of these things.

Understood. At the same time, I’m sick of pushing a socially radical agenda (eg drag queen reading to children, books highlighting adult-child romantic relationships). Maybe the term I am looking for is “socially neutral.

 

[MayorQuimby]

Understood. At the same time, I’m sick of pushing a socially radical agenda (eg drag queen reading to children, books highlighting adult-child romantic relationships). Maybe the term I am looking for is “socially neutral.

I totally agree, those deviancies would be banned under my party's rule.

I would use the word "traditional" to describe my would-be party's approach to social matters. I want to bring back the solid, tried and true, traditional values that helped our ancestors thrive for thousands of years.

 

[White 6]

What is a Title 10 Order? I am not an American.



Ok, maybe I misspoke when I said Dem mayors actively tried to harm them. I read the original story again, they didn't do something as bad as that, however, they did abandon federal agents who needed their help. This is desertion, is it not? It's bad if it is. And they also failed to prosecute criminals (that woman who rammed into the Border patrol convoy is a literal criminal), which though isn't technically them actively attacking federal officials, it's still incredibly bad. It's them coddling criminals and essentially sending out the message that it's OK to harm federal officials and the mayor won't do anything to punish you. But of course, since this isn't outright organized rebellion, so in your book, it's no big deal and we should totally just let it slide. Hey, no armed resistance, so everything is A-OK, right?

There are different types of National Guard activation. Title 10 applies to Federal Activation. Troops are on Federal orders, not state. Often, when on Federal orders there is Active Duty Army coordination or control. Members activated under title 10 are federal troops, with US Army, right on their uniform, as always, subject to Federal control, with regular army benefits, retirement points per day, as any other regular army soldier or Officer, all Officer's having Federal recognition, training qualification, authority, and responsibilities, and subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Most activations of National Guard within a state are for state emergencies, under order of the state Governor, handed down through state Adjutant General (who serve in that position, due to designation to that position by the state Governor), who is usually a Two Star, or Major General, most often (but not necessarily) having Federal as well as state recognition at that same rank, having achieved and passed all requirements of any other active duty Major General. The AG with his state HQ, select units necessary to handle the emergency, based on circumstance, equipment and personnel needs, setting up the chain of command and coordinating with local authorities, but still under state Department of the Military orders, command and control. This is seen more often after natural disaster, but sometimes due to civil unrest, in order to augment manpower for crowd control, possibly curfew enforcement to avoid looting, as well has providing coordinated communications and equipment necessary to aid and protect the public. More often than not, this kind of activation for state duty is under funding of the state government, not federal government, no federal military retirement points accrued, etc., and state law, not UCMJ being the controlling legal authority. Although, after a federal disaster designation is achieve,(often days or weeks into or after the emergency), a state may receive Federal reimbursement to an extent.