You lost this revisionist argument years ago, mostly because you did not realize we had indeed invaded Italy and suffered huge casualties due to the mountainous and easily defended territory. If Ike thought your plan was viable when he had to make the decision he would have followed your idea. Thankfully he was wise enough to reject rhe concept of sending his forces over yet more heavily defended mountains and fighting a Russian style war of attrition.
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PoliticalChic
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"FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate"
FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate
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PoliticalChic
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"You lost this revisionist argument years ago, mostly because you did not realize we had indeed invaded Italy and suffered huge casualties due to the mountainous and easily defended territory. "
Both Eisenhower and General Mark Clark agree with me.....
. 'To withdraw from the European continent [Italy] to re-invade the European continent was simply crazy.'
Dunn, "Caught Between Roosevelt and Stalin," p.195-196
Yet, Roosevelt sided with Stalin over Churchill, and over General Mark Clark, commander of the 5th US Army, in Italy.
Why?
Still care to deny that Stalin was in charge of Roosevelt's war efforts?
...and Stalin would get his way down to the last American casualty?
In the effort to install world-wide communism, any loss to either America, or to Germany, was a gain for Stalin.
Thank you, Franklin Roosevelt
Eisenhower agreed with Churchill that Italy was the correct attack point.....until he was bought off by George Marshall with a fifth star?
"Italy was the correct place in which to deploy our main forces and the objective should be the Valle of the PO. In no other area could we so well threaten the whole German structure including France, the Balkans and the Reich itself. Here also our air would be closer to vital objectives in Germany."
FRUS: The conferences at Cairo and Tehran, 1943, p.359-361
That report was published in "Foreign Relations of the United States" in 1961
Eisenhower's statement was to an audience in November 26, 1943....
Everything I post is accurate, documented, linked and sourced.
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PoliticalChic
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1. …The President then added the curious statement that he did not understand the British viewpoint in this connection, for he, Roosevelt, did not believe that the Soviets wanted to take over the Balkan states but wished only to establish “kinship with other Slavic peoples.”
a. How could he have believed this? In 1937-1938, at the height of his pal, 'Uncle Joe' Stalin's terror, 40,000 were killed per month at Stalin's behest. Full text of "Solzhenitsyn: The Voice of Freedom"
b. In November-December, the two leaders met with Stalin....who refused the Churchill plan....and demanded the second front through the West.
2. General Mark Clark was, at the time, in command of Allied Armies in Italy. He strongly supported the Prime Minister’s viewpoint, as indicated in his book written after the war:
…A campaign that might have changed the whole history of relations between the Western world and Soviet Russia was permitted to fade away….Not alone in my opinion, but in the opinion of a number of experts who were close to the problem, the weakening of the campaign in Italy in order to invade southern France and instead of pushing on in the Balkans was one of the outstanding political mistakes of the war.…Had we been there before the Red Army, not only would the collapse of Germany have come sooner, but the influence of Soviet Russia would have been drastically reduced.
Speak up, you dunce.....
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PoliticalChic
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Know what George Kennan said about your hero????
a. George Kennan’s view of Roosevelt’s performance during the war is considerably harsher than Harriman’s After commenting bitterly on the “inexcusable body of ignorance about the Russian Communist movement, about the history of its diplomacy, about what had happened in the purges, and about what had been going on in Poland and the Baltic States,” Kennan turns more directly to FDR alone:
I also have in mind FDRs evident conviction that Stalin, while perhaps a somewhat
difficult customer, was only, after all, a person like any other person; that the reason
we hadn’t been able to get along with him in the past was that we had never really had
anyone with the proper personality and theproper qualities of sympathy and imagina-
tion to deal with him, that he had been snubbed all along by the arrogant conservatives of the Western capitals; and that if only he could be exposed to the persuasive charms of someone like FDR himself, ideological preconceptions would melt and Russia’s cooperation with the West could be easily arranged. For these assumptions there were no grounds whatsover; and they were of a puerility that was unworthy of a statesman of FDRs stature.
http://www.mmisi.org/ma/30_02/nisbet.pdf
Know what 'puerile' means??????
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PoliticalChic
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And, once again, we've proven that I am never wrong, and you simply dance on the hot-plate.
Debunked immediately as nonsense. Two partisan hacks and goofballs made a ridiculous claim. They were laughed at.
PoliticalChic
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Watch me smash a custard pie in your ugly kisser:
1. Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., liberal New Deal historian wrote in The National Experience, in 1963, “Though the policies of the Hundred Days had ended despair, they had not produce recovery…” He also wrote honestly about the devastating crash of 1937- in the midst of the “second New Deal” and Roosevelt’s second term. “The collapse in the months after September 1937 was actually more severe than it had been in the first nine months of the depression: national income fell 13 %, payrolls 35 %, durable goods production 50 %, profits 78% .
2. In 1935, the Brookings Institution (left-leaning) delivered a 900-page report on the New Deal and the National Recovery Administration, concluding that “ on the whole it retarded recovery.” article - AEI
The only thing 'debunked' is you.
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To Chic and Unacorte
A better suggestion might be for you and UNKOTARE to combine your evidence that FDR was an evil president and send it to the historians that rate the presidents. Once the historians go over that irrefutable evidence I'm sure they will see the errors of their history and pronounce FDR the worst president in our history, Wouldn't you like to see their faces when they see your irrefutable evidence, boy I sure would.
"Revisionist history #2 on PC's list.
"He made certain that Stalin's plans continued after his death; the creation of the United Nations."
UN sprang from the League of Nations which was formed in 1920. Actual UN was transitioned, founded and formed six months after the death of FDR."
1 January 1942 || The name "United Nations" is coined
The Charter was signed on 26 June 1945 by the representatives of the 50 countries.
24 October 1945 || The United Nations officially comes into existence
a. " [Alger Hiss was appointed acting secretary-general of the U.N. founding conference and was involved in staffing the U.N. by selecting people for employment in the world body. “About fifty showed up as permanent employees and a couple of hundred in part-time assignments,” Shelton says of Hiss’s efforts." “Alger Hiss Day” a Reminder of U.N.’s Anti-Americanism
2. And the reason for Stalin's ultimate victory?
Franklin Roosevelt, who played 'Robin' to Stalin's 'Batman.'
FDR knew of the Terror Famine, the genocide, the repression...designed and perpetrated by 'Uncle Joe,'...yet Roosevelt enveloped Joe Stalin in " the cloak of his popularity..." Time Magazine, December 17, 1934.
View attachment 224157
3. "A young American diplomat was the leading force in the designing of the United Nations. He was secretary of the Dumbarten Oaks Conversations from August to October of 1944 where most of the preliminary planning for the U.N. was done.
He was Roosevelt's right-hand man in February of 1945 at Yalta where the postwar boundaries of Europe were drawn (Roosevelt was a dying man at the time. His death came only ten weeks later).
At Yalta it was agreed that the Soviet Union would have three votes (one each for Russia, Ukraine, and Byelorussia) in the U.N. General Assembly, even though the United States had only one. At Yalta much of Europe was placed under the iron heel of communist rule. At Yalta, Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin appointed this young diplomatic shining star to be the first Secretary-general of the U.N. for the founding conference held in San Francisco,April/June of 1945.
All of this seemed well and good until three years later. Alger Hiss was exposed as a communist spy...."
What The U.N. Doesn't Want You To Know
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Sanity for Superheroes: What The U.N. Doesn't Want You To Know
Still waiting for you to 'debunk' anything, you dunce.
SobieskiSavedEurope
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Haha, that must be why FDR achieved the #1 GDP growth of any USA President.
SobieskiSavedEurope
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I am sure many Japanese, Poles, Italians & Germans could find reason to disagree.To Chic and Unacorte
A better suggestion might be for you and UNKOTARE to combine your evidence that FDR was an evil president and send it to the historians that rate the presidents. Once the historians go over that irrefutable evidence I'm sure they will see the errors of their history and pronounce FDR the worst president in our history, Wouldn't you like to see their faces when they see your irrefutable evidence, boy I sure would.
"Revisionist history #2 on PC's list.
"He made certain that Stalin's plans continued after his death; the creation of the United Nations."
UN sprang from the League of Nations which was formed in 1920. Actual UN was transitioned, founded and formed six months after the death of FDR."
1 January 1942 || The name "United Nations" is coined
The Charter was signed on 26 June 1945 by the representatives of the 50 countries.
24 October 1945 || The United Nations officially comes into existence
a. " [Alger Hiss was appointed acting secretary-general of the U.N. founding conference and was involved in staffing the U.N. by selecting people for employment in the world body. “About fifty showed up as permanent employees and a couple of hundred in part-time assignments,” Shelton says of Hiss’s efforts." “Alger Hiss Day” a Reminder of U.N.’s Anti-Americanism
2. And the reason for Stalin's ultimate victory?
Franklin Roosevelt, who played 'Robin' to Stalin's 'Batman.'
FDR knew of the Terror Famine, the genocide, the repression...designed and perpetrated by 'Uncle Joe,'...yet Roosevelt enveloped Joe Stalin in " the cloak of his popularity..." Time Magazine, December 17, 1934.
View attachment 224157
3. "A young American diplomat was the leading force in the designing of the United Nations. He was secretary of the Dumbarten Oaks Conversations from August to October of 1944 where most of the preliminary planning for the U.N. was done.
He was Roosevelt's right-hand man in February of 1945 at Yalta where the postwar boundaries of Europe were drawn (Roosevelt was a dying man at the time. His death came only ten weeks later).
At Yalta it was agreed that the Soviet Union would have three votes (one each for Russia, Ukraine, and Byelorussia) in the U.N. General Assembly, even though the United States had only one. At Yalta much of Europe was placed under the iron heel of communist rule. At Yalta, Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin appointed this young diplomatic shining star to be the first Secretary-general of the U.N. for the founding conference held in San Francisco,April/June of 1945.
All of this seemed well and good until three years later. Alger Hiss was exposed as a communist spy...."
What The U.N. Doesn't Want You To Know
theforbiddenknowledge.com - theforbiddenknowledge Resources and Information.
Sanity for Superheroes: What The U.N. Doesn't Want You To Know
Still waiting for you to 'debunk' anything, you dunce.
Unkotare
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danielpalos
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Thank Goodness our federal republic got a left winger in charge.
A worldwide global Depression was in its fourth year when FDR became President. The first thing he did was save the US banks, which were closing and going bankrupt. He then began policies of putting people to work building American infrastructure. He placed big business on the back burner. They still haven't gotten over it and whine about the depression lasting longer for them than it did for rhe common working people.
Unkotare
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To Chic and Unacorte
A better suggestion might be for you and UNKOTARE to combine your evidence that FDR was an evil president and send it to the historians that rate the presidents. Once the historians go over that irrefutable evidence I'm sure they will see the errors of their history and pronounce FDR the worst president in our history, Wouldn't you like to see their faces when they see your irrefutable evidence, boy I sure would.
"Revisionist history #2 on PC's list.
"He made certain that Stalin's plans continued after his death; the creation of the United Nations."
UN sprang from the League of Nations which was formed in 1920. Actual UN was transitioned, founded and formed six months after the death of FDR."
1 January 1942 || The name "United Nations" is coined
The Charter was signed on 26 June 1945 by the representatives of the 50 countries.
24 October 1945 || The United Nations officially comes into existence
a. " [Alger Hiss was appointed acting secretary-general of the U.N. founding conference and was involved in staffing the U.N. by selecting people for employment in the world body. “About fifty showed up as permanent employees and a couple of hundred in part-time assignments,” Shelton says of Hiss’s efforts." “Alger Hiss Day” a Reminder of U.N.’s Anti-Americanism
2. And the reason for Stalin's ultimate victory?
Franklin Roosevelt, who played 'Robin' to Stalin's 'Batman.'
FDR knew of the Terror Famine, the genocide, the repression...designed and perpetrated by 'Uncle Joe,'...yet Roosevelt enveloped Joe Stalin in " the cloak of his popularity..." Time Magazine, December 17, 1934.
View attachment 224157
3. "A young American diplomat was the leading force in the designing of the United Nations. He was secretary of the Dumbarten Oaks Conversations from August to October of 1944 where most of the preliminary planning for the U.N. was done.
He was Roosevelt's right-hand man in February of 1945 at Yalta where the postwar boundaries of Europe were drawn (Roosevelt was a dying man at the time. His death came only ten weeks later).
At Yalta it was agreed that the Soviet Union would have three votes (one each for Russia, Ukraine, and Byelorussia) in the U.N. General Assembly, even though the United States had only one. At Yalta much of Europe was placed under the iron heel of communist rule. At Yalta, Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin appointed this young diplomatic shining star to be the first Secretary-general of the U.N. for the founding conference held in San Francisco,April/June of 1945.
All of this seemed well and good until three years later. Alger Hiss was exposed as a communist spy...."
What The U.N. Doesn't Want You To Know
theforbiddenknowledge.com - theforbiddenknowledge Resources and Information.
Sanity for Superheroes: What The U.N. Doesn't Want You To Know
Still waiting for you to 'debunk' anything, you dunce.
An even better idea would be for you to let go of the security blanket of logical fallacy you keep clinging to and try for once to think for yourself. Try, if you can, to address even one of the many charges against the scumbag FDR.
regent
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How many UCLA economists agreed with the two UCLA authors, and what was the UCLA plan to fight depressions? Why didn't FDR at least use parts of the UCLA plan to fight the depression?
danielpalos
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FDR is the reason we have a First World economy.To Chic and Unacorte
A better suggestion might be for you and UNKOTARE to combine your evidence that FDR was an evil president and send it to the historians that rate the presidents. Once the historians go over that irrefutable evidence I'm sure they will see the errors of their history and pronounce FDR the worst president in our history, Wouldn't you like to see their faces when they see your irrefutable evidence, boy I sure would.
"Revisionist history #2 on PC's list.
"He made certain that Stalin's plans continued after his death; the creation of the United Nations."
UN sprang from the League of Nations which was formed in 1920. Actual UN was transitioned, founded and formed six months after the death of FDR."
1 January 1942 || The name "United Nations" is coined
The Charter was signed on 26 June 1945 by the representatives of the 50 countries.
24 October 1945 || The United Nations officially comes into existence
a. " [Alger Hiss was appointed acting secretary-general of the U.N. founding conference and was involved in staffing the U.N. by selecting people for employment in the world body. “About fifty showed up as permanent employees and a couple of hundred in part-time assignments,” Shelton says of Hiss’s efforts." “Alger Hiss Day” a Reminder of U.N.’s Anti-Americanism
2. And the reason for Stalin's ultimate victory?
Franklin Roosevelt, who played 'Robin' to Stalin's 'Batman.'
FDR knew of the Terror Famine, the genocide, the repression...designed and perpetrated by 'Uncle Joe,'...yet Roosevelt enveloped Joe Stalin in " the cloak of his popularity..." Time Magazine, December 17, 1934.
View attachment 224157
3. "A young American diplomat was the leading force in the designing of the United Nations. He was secretary of the Dumbarten Oaks Conversations from August to October of 1944 where most of the preliminary planning for the U.N. was done.
He was Roosevelt's right-hand man in February of 1945 at Yalta where the postwar boundaries of Europe were drawn (Roosevelt was a dying man at the time. His death came only ten weeks later).
At Yalta it was agreed that the Soviet Union would have three votes (one each for Russia, Ukraine, and Byelorussia) in the U.N. General Assembly, even though the United States had only one. At Yalta much of Europe was placed under the iron heel of communist rule. At Yalta, Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin appointed this young diplomatic shining star to be the first Secretary-general of the U.N. for the founding conference held in San Francisco,April/June of 1945.
All of this seemed well and good until three years later. Alger Hiss was exposed as a communist spy...."
What The U.N. Doesn't Want You To Know
theforbiddenknowledge.com - theforbiddenknowledge Resources and Information.
Sanity for Superheroes: What The U.N. Doesn't Want You To Know
Still waiting for you to 'debunk' anything, you dunce.
An even better idea would be for you to let go of the security blanket of logical fallacy you keep clinging to and try for once to think for yourself. Try, if you can, to address even one of the many charges against the scumbag FDR.
Unkotare
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danielpalos
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We also may not have gone to the Moon or a Cold War with the former Soviet Union.
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