FDR Admiration Society

[Unkotare]

Illogical, unlawful, un-American. Your idol was the worst scumbag to ever sully the office, and your clumsy attempts at playing the apologist are shameful.

So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Those lists are no more than popularity contests driven by individual political ideology.

FDR advanced socialism in America. At that time most Americans didn't have the faintest idea what socialism was. His programs did nothing to drag America out of the Depression. The war did that.

He was a "great wartime president" because he let the generals conduct the war.

So it was the war that caused the immense spending that brought us out of the Great Depression, So Keynes was right and FDR should have followed Keyne's advice. Of course the Republican plan for the Great Depression was to balance the budget.

"FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate"
FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate




NEXT!!!!!

How many UCLA economists agreed with the two UCLA authors, and what was the UCLA plan to fight depressions? Why didn't FDR at least use parts of the UCLA plan to fight the depression?

Desperation has made you irrational.

 

[Camp]

So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Those lists are no more than popularity contests driven by individual political ideology.

FDR advanced socialism in America. At that time most Americans didn't have the faintest idea what socialism was. His programs did nothing to drag America out of the Depression. The war did that.

He was a "great wartime president" because he let the generals conduct the war.

So it was the war that caused the immense spending that brought us out of the Great Depression, So Keynes was right and FDR should have followed Keyne's advice. Of course the Republican plan for the Great Depression was to balance the budget.

"FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate"
FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate




NEXT!!!!!

Debunked immediately as nonsense. Two partisan hacks and goofballs made a ridiculous claim. They were laughed at.

Proof of the debunking?

They used a faulty system of calculating unemployment which ignored workers employed building American infrastructure and classified them as "welfare recipients" and designated their paychecks as government charity.

 

[danielpalos]

Those lists are no more than popularity contests driven by individual political ideology.

FDR advanced socialism in America. At that time most Americans didn't have the faintest idea what socialism was. His programs did nothing to drag America out of the Depression. The war did that.

He was a "great wartime president" because he let the generals conduct the war.

So it was the war that caused the immense spending that brought us out of the Great Depression, So Keynes was right and FDR should have followed Keyne's advice. Of course the Republican plan for the Great Depression was to balance the budget.

"FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate"
FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate




NEXT!!!!!

Debunked immediately as nonsense. Two partisan hacks and goofballs made a ridiculous claim. They were laughed at.

Proof of the debunking?

They used a faulty system of calculating unemployment which ignored workers employed building American infrastructure and classified them as "welfare recipients" and designated their paychecks as government charity.

everybody agrees the command economics of a warfare State led to full employment, not the private sector; nor would the private sector have invested in infrastructure.

 

[Unkotare]

Those lists are no more than popularity contests driven by individual political ideology.

FDR advanced socialism in America. At that time most Americans didn't have the faintest idea what socialism was. His programs did nothing to drag America out of the Depression. The war did that.

He was a "great wartime president" because he let the generals conduct the war.

So it was the war that caused the immense spending that brought us out of the Great Depression, So Keynes was right and FDR should have followed Keyne's advice. Of course the Republican plan for the Great Depression was to balance the budget.

"FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate"
FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate




NEXT!!!!!

Debunked immediately as nonsense. Two partisan hacks and goofballs made a ridiculous claim. They were laughed at.

Proof of the debunking?

They used a faulty system of calculating unemployment which ignored workers employed building American infrastructure and classified them as "welfare recipients" and designated their paychecks as government charity.

That’s not faulty.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

"He was a great wartime president because he let the generals conduct the war."

I'm gonna have to disagree with your last sentence, Billy.

Oops. Should read 'was considered a great wartime president ... '

 

[Camp]

FDR gave support to the birth of the early military-industrial complex during the mid and late 30's by financing the development of virtually all the modern weapons used to defeat Germany and Japan. Importance of developing modern weapons was something he learned as an assistant Sec. of rhe Navy in WWI. He guided the development of everything from the M1 Garrand to the B-17 and modern aircraft carriers. All the fighter aircraft that took out Japan and Germanies airforces were developed under the guidance of FDR.

 

[danielpalos]

Command Economics, when it really really matters.

 

[Camp]

So it was the war that caused the immense spending that brought us out of the Great Depression, So Keynes was right and FDR should have followed Keyne's advice. Of course the Republican plan for the Great Depression was to balance the budget.

"FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate"
FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate




NEXT!!!!!

Debunked immediately as nonsense. Two partisan hacks and goofballs made a ridiculous claim. They were laughed at.

Proof of the debunking?

They used a faulty system of calculating unemployment which ignored workers employed building American infrastructure and classified them as "welfare recipients" and designated their paychecks as government charity.

That’s not faulty.

They counted men who builtr thousands of schools, armories, post offices, bridges, airports, Naval Ports, highways, schools, hospitals, sewers systems, parks, Electric generating Dams, etc.and on and on as being unemployed and hence, making rhe GD last longer

 

[danielpalos]

Any exigency to promote the general welfare!

 

[regent]

How many of us know of the infrastructure that FDR built? Both the WPA and PWA were based on FDR's philosophy that not working was charity. So just the WPA built:
651,000 miles of highway
1000 miles of runways
124, 000 bridges
8,000 parks
erected 69,000 highway light poles
18000 playgrounds
125,000 public buildings
41,300 schools
TVA
and there was still the PWA, but I tire.

 

[rightwinger]

Had there been sabotage and other crimes committed against the defense industries. and FDR had not taken any defensible measures, you guys would now be pralsing FDR as a great president for his hands-off policy, right? Get real.

Illogical, unlawful, un-American. Your idol was the worst scumbag to ever sully the office, and your clumsy attempts at playing the apologist are shameful.

So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Those lists are no more than popularity contests driven by individual political ideology.

FDR advanced socialism in America. At that time most Americans didn't have the faintest idea what socialism was. His programs did nothing to drag America out of the Depression. The war did that.

He was a "great wartime president" because he let the generals conduct the war.

So it was the war that caused the immense spending that brought us out of the Great Depression, So Keynes was right and FDR should have followed Keyne's advice. Of course the Republican plan for the Great Depression was to balance the budget.

"FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate"
FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate




NEXT!!!!!

More faulty revisionist history

The Depression ended in 1939, ending it seven years earlier would have ended it in 1932, BEFORE FDR took over in March 1933

 

[rightwinger]

Same old logical fallacy again and again. You still haven’t learned how to think.

You're far too kind to reggie....

He's simply a lying low-life Liberal.

He is an old man who worked and lived in the Great Depression and fought in a Rifle Platoon in the Pacific during WWII. H

And I certainly hope you live to be far older....but that is beside the point.

Your post is testimony to the fact that you cannot deny or refute anything I posted here:


Franklin Roosevelt…..this god, the man who employed no efforts at saving the lives of American service men…..



1. Roosevelt offered up the lives of everyone in Eastern Europe to his lord and master, Joseph 'Koba' Stalin



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"Roosevelr offered up rhe live of everyone in Eastern Europe to his lord and master Joseph "Koba" Stalin." #1 on the PC revisionist history list.
PURE BULL CRAP

Russia lost over 20 million military and civilian lives in WWII fighting the Germans and their East European axis, including troops and assistance from Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, Bulgaria, and nations that provided volunteers to the German military like Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, and the Balkans, all East Europeans. The US did not send Armies into those regions. The US did not lose millions of men conquering and taking control of those nations.

US and western strategy called for the development of western Europe. Made sense and an important factor to remember and be aware of is FDR died before the war ended and no one knows how he would have handled situations that arose after the war ended. Makes speculative claims of FDR offering up lives of East Europeans Pure Bull Crap. He simply agreed on not risking or offering up hundreds of thousands of American lives and billions of dollars fighting a new war, this one with Russia for war-torn and ravaged Eastern Europe.

All of PC's goofy partisan revisionism can be refuted and debunked.

"The US did not send Armies into those regions. The US did not lose millions of men conquering and taking control of those nations."


FDR died April 12th..but, based on Marshall's order, the White House clearly knew of the following prior to that:

" By May 15, 1945, the Pentagon believed 25,000 American POWs "liberated" by the Red Army were still being held hostage to Soviet demands that all "Soviet citizens" be returned to Soviet control, "without exception" and by force if necessary, as agreed to at the Yalta Conference in February 1945. When the U.S. refused to return some military formations composed of Soviet citizens, such as the First Ukrainian SS Division, Stalin retaliated by returning only 4,116 of the hostage American POWs. On June 1, 1945, the United States Government issued documents, signed by General Dwight D. Eisenhower, explaining away the loss of approximately 20,000 POWs remaining under Stalin's control." http://www.nationalalliance.org/wwii/wwii.htm

http://www.nationalalliance.org/wwii/wwii.html


b. Despite the total victory in Europe by Allied forces, thousands and thousands of US soldiers -- perhaps as many as 20,000 -- were never repatriated from prisoner of war (POW) camps, prisons and forced labor and concentration camps.




These American soldiers were being held in Nazi prison camps, along with other Allied POWs and some Nazi captives, when they were overrun by the Red Army. Thus, hundreds of thousands of Allied POWs who had been held by the Nazis, as well as millions of Western European citizens, or Displaced Persons, came under Red Army control. Indeed, this number increased because General Dwight D. Eisenhower, the Supreme Allied Commander in Europe, decided to stop the US and British drive eastward into Germany, in order to wait for Soviet forces driving West, so that US and Soviet forces could meet in Berlin.

The Soviet rationale for not repatriating Allied soldiers and citizens, however, was motivated by more complex and more repugnant reasons than credits along. In the memoirs of former Secretary of State under President Truman, James F. Byrnes, there appears an illuminating conversation the Secretary had with Molotov, the Soviet Commissar of Foreign Affairs. In September, 1945, several weeks after Japan's surrender, Byrnes recounted that while in London:


Mr. Molotov came to see me, on instructions from Moscow... [Molotov] wanted to complain of the way in which the surrender terms [with Japan] were being carried out. He complained particularly about the way the Japanese Army was being demobilized. It was dangerous, he said, merely to disarm the Japanese and send them home; they should be held as prisoners of war. We should do what the Red Army was doing with the Japanese it had taken in Manchuria--make them work...No one can say accurately how many Japanese prisoners have been taken to the Soviet Union.


In mid-1947, the best guess was that approximately 500,000 were still there.

Our 20,000 Missing POW's of WWII




Nothing I post can be 'refuted nor debunked'....simply lied about by low-life lying Liberals.

More fake history from PC

Passing off garbage research and urban legends as fact

 

[Unkotare]

"FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate"
FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate




NEXT!!!!!

Debunked immediately as nonsense. Two partisan hacks and goofballs made a ridiculous claim. They were laughed at.

Proof of the debunking?

They used a faulty system of calculating unemployment which ignored workers employed building American infrastructure and classified them as "welfare recipients" and designated their paychecks as government charity.

That’s not faulty.

They counted men who builtr thousands of schools, armories, post offices, bridges, airports, Naval Ports, highways, schools, hospitals, sewers systems, parks, Electric generating Dams, etc.....

On government make-work programs designed to occupy the time of the unemployed, not production spurred by market forces. They were receiving assistance from the government rather than working jobs created by demand. There is a reason why make-work programs never work in the long term. In the end, they ARE a form of welfare and not sustainable.

Might as well have been Pharaoh building a new pyramid.

 

[Unkotare]

The Great Depression Was Ended by the End of World War II, Not the Start of It

 

[rightwinger]

The Great Depression Was Ended by the End of World War II, Not the Start of It

How ridiculous

There was near full employment in WWII.
There was a recession AFTER WWII

 

[PoliticalChic]

To Chic and Unacorte

You're far too kind to reggie....

He's simply a lying low-life Liberal.

So what is your best argument that I'm wrong: "low life liberal" or "scumbag"? Both are tremendous pieces of evidence, and I quake when I hear them.

I've never used that second term.....you must have heard it from lots of others.


FDR?

Franklin Roosevelt…..this god, the man who employed no efforts at saving the lives of American service men…..


2. He made certain that Stalin's plans continued after his death: the creation of the United Nations

Revisionist history #2 on PC's list.
"He made certain that Stalin's plans continued after his death; the creation of the United Nations."

UN sprang from the League of Nations which was formed in 1920. Actual UN was transitioned, founded and formed six months after the death of FDR.

"Revisionist history #2 on PC's list.
"He made certain that Stalin's plans continued after his death; the creation of the United Nations."

UN sprang from the League of Nations which was formed in 1920. Actual UN was transitioned, founded and formed six months after the death of FDR."



1 January 1942 || The name "United Nations" is coined
The Charter was signed on 26 June 1945 by the representatives of the 50 countries.
24 October 1945 || The United Nations officially comes into existence

a. " [Alger Hiss was appointed acting secretary-general of the U.N. founding conference and was involved in staffing the U.N. by selecting people for employment in the world body. “About fifty showed up as permanent employees and a couple of hundred in part-time assignments,” Shelton says of Hiss’s efforts." “Alger Hiss Day” a Reminder of U.N.’s Anti-Americanism

2. And the reason for Stalin's ultimate victory?

Franklin Roosevelt, who played 'Robin' to Stalin's 'Batman.'
FDR knew of the Terror Famine, the genocide, the repression...designed and perpetrated by 'Uncle Joe,'...yet Roosevelt enveloped Joe Stalin in " the cloak of his popularity..." Time Magazine, December 17, 1934.

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3. "A young American diplomat was the leading force in the designing of the United Nations. He was secretary of the Dumbarten Oaks Conversations from August to October of 1944 where most of the preliminary planning for the U.N. was done.

He was Roosevelt's right-hand man in February of 1945 at Yalta where the postwar boundaries of Europe were drawn (Roosevelt was a dying man at the time. His death came only ten weeks later).

At Yalta it was agreed that the Soviet Union would have three votes (one each for Russia, Ukraine, and Byelorussia) in the U.N. General Assembly, even though the United States had only one. At Yalta much of Europe was placed under the iron heel of communist rule. At Yalta, Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin appointed this young diplomatic shining star to be the first Secretary-general of the U.N. for the founding conference held in San Francisco,April/June of 1945.

All of this seemed well and good until three years later. Alger Hiss was exposed as a communist spy...."
What The U.N. Doesn't Want You To Know

theforbiddenknowledge.com -&nbsptheforbiddenknowledge Resources and Information.

Sanity for Superheroes: What The U.N. Doesn't Want You To Know






Still waiting for you to 'debunk' anything, you dunce.

A better suggestion might be for you and UNKOTARE to combine your evidence that FDR was an evil president and send it to the historians that rate the presidents. Once the historians go over that irrefutable evidence I'm sure they will see the errors of their history and pronounce FDR the worst president in our history, Wouldn't you like to see their faces when they see your irrefutable evidence, boy I sure would.

"A better suggestion might be for you and UNKOTARE to combine your evidence that FDR was an evil president and send it to the historians that rate the presidents. "


The 'white flag.'


Accepted.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Illogical, unlawful, un-American. Your idol was the worst scumbag to ever sully the office, and your clumsy attempts at playing the apologist are shameful.

So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Those lists are no more than popularity contests driven by individual political ideology.

FDR advanced socialism in America. At that time most Americans didn't have the faintest idea what socialism was. His programs did nothing to drag America out of the Depression. The war did that.

He was a "great wartime president" because he let the generals conduct the war.

So it was the war that caused the immense spending that brought us out of the Great Depression, So Keynes was right and FDR should have followed Keyne's advice. Of course the Republican plan for the Great Depression was to balance the budget.

"FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate"
FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate




NEXT!!!!!

Haha, that must be why FDR achieved the #1 GDP growth of any USA President.

Although your reputation couldn't be lower....here's your chance to embarrass yourself.


Any errors here?


Franklin Roosevelt…..this god, the man who employed no efforts at saving the lives of American service men…..



1. Roosevelt offered up the lives of everyone in Eastern Europe to his lord and master, Joseph 'Koba' Stalin


2. He made certain that Stalin's plans continued after his death: the creation of the United Nations


3. He extended the Depression by years.


4. He disposed of the Constitution


5. He imposed Mussolini's Fascist policies and called it 'the New Deal


6. He turned over command of our military actions in WWII to Stalin, and cost multiple thousands of US soldiers' deaths.


7. He made certain that communism survived the war, and thrived afterwards.


8. Without his efforts, there would be no Red China, no Korean War, and no Vietnamese War


9. ...and he is the proximate explanation for the cultural Marxism prevalent in society today.


And, he inspired lying Leftists like you.






If only Roosevelt had a mind of his own, and had, as his priority, what was good for America and Americans.

1. He would have recognized how evil Stalin and communism is/was.

2. He would have done what the experts advised, and made certain that Hitler and Stalin destroyed each other.

3. He would have given the anti-Nazi Germans the same support he gave the resistance in every other nation.

4. The war would have ended some 3-5 years earlier, with a half million fewer American casualties.

5.Both Nazi and Marxist butchers would have received their due justice.

6. No 'Cold War.'

7. The Constitution would be our 'law of the land.'

 

[PoliticalChic]

So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Those lists are no more than popularity contests driven by individual political ideology.

FDR advanced socialism in America. At that time most Americans didn't have the faintest idea what socialism was. His programs did nothing to drag America out of the Depression. The war did that.

He was a "great wartime president" because he let the generals conduct the war.

So it was the war that caused the immense spending that brought us out of the Great Depression, So Keynes was right and FDR should have followed Keyne's advice. Of course the Republican plan for the Great Depression was to balance the budget.

"FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate"
FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate




NEXT!!!!!

Debunked immediately as nonsense. Two partisan hacks and goofballs made a ridiculous claim. They were laughed at.

Proof of the debunking?

Nah....just more proof the's lying.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Those lists are no more than popularity contests driven by individual political ideology.

FDR advanced socialism in America. At that time most Americans didn't have the faintest idea what socialism was. His programs did nothing to drag America out of the Depression. The war did that.

He was a "great wartime president" because he let the generals conduct the war.

So it was the war that caused the immense spending that brought us out of the Great Depression, So Keynes was right and FDR should have followed Keyne's advice. Of course the Republican plan for the Great Depression was to balance the budget.

"FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate"
FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate




NEXT!!!!!

Haha, that must be why FDR achieved the #1 GDP growth of any USA President.

A worldwide global Depression was in its fourth year when FDR became President. The first thing he did was save the US banks, which were closing and going bankrupt. He then began policies of putting people to work building American infrastructure. He placed big business on the back burner. They still haven't gotten over it and whine about the depression lasting longer for them than it did for rhe common working people.

1. Republican Harding faced as serious a recession as Roosevelt did, and solved it in a year and a half.

2. Roosevelt took a recession and expanded it into a decade long Depression.


3. For comparison:

a. While "The Depression" is probably the only economic downturn ever studied in government schools, few ever speak of any depressions or recessions prior to the "Great Depression."

Know how many there were?

Over thirty. And the average length was a year or so.

List of recessions in the United States - List of recessions in the United States - Wikipedia


b. "The Great Depression (1929-39) was the deepest and longest-lasting economic downturn in the history of the Western industrialized world. In the United States, ..."The Great Depression - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

Know why? 'Cause Roosevelt wanted it to be.

OK....so maybe Franklin Roosevelt was actually trying to end the depression.....never mind that he made it last longer, by a multiple of five, from most previous depressions/recessions.....

It sure was a good excuse for overturning the Constitution.



4. Mull this over: FDR was good friends with Mussolini, Hitler, and Stalin.
His New Deal was copied from Mussolini's economic plans.
He wanted the same power that other dictators had.
And he knew how to get it: keep the recession going.


And he did.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Illogical, unlawful, un-American. Your idol was the worst scumbag to ever sully the office, and your clumsy attempts at playing the apologist are shameful.

So why do America's most noted historians keep voting for FDR as one of America's top three presidents? Do you not believe the historians or you simply write your own history-as many conservatives on these boards do?

Those lists are no more than popularity contests driven by individual political ideology.

FDR advanced socialism in America. At that time most Americans didn't have the faintest idea what socialism was. His programs did nothing to drag America out of the Depression. The war did that.

He was a "great wartime president" because he let the generals conduct the war.

So it was the war that caused the immense spending that brought us out of the Great Depression, So Keynes was right and FDR should have followed Keyne's advice. Of course the Republican plan for the Great Depression was to balance the budget.

"FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate"
FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate




NEXT!!!!!

How many UCLA economists agreed with the two UCLA authors, and what was the UCLA plan to fight depressions? Why didn't FDR at least use parts of the UCLA plan to fight the depression?

1. Republican Harding faced as serious a recession as Roosevelt did, and solved it in a year and a half.

2. Roosevelt took a recession and expanded it into a decade long Depression.


3. For comparison:

a. While "The Depression" is probably the only economic downturn ever studied in government schools, few ever speak of any depressions or recessions prior to the "Great Depression."

Know how many there were?

Over thirty. And the average length was a year or so.

List of recessions in the United States - List of recessions in the United States - Wikipedia


b. "The Great Depression (1929-39) was the deepest and longest-lasting economic downturn in the history of the Western industrialized world. In the United States, ..."The Great Depression - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

Know why? 'Cause Roosevelt wanted it to be.

OK....so maybe Franklin Roosevelt was actually trying to end the depression.....never mind that he made it last longer, by a multiple of five, from most previous depressions/recessions.....

It sure was a good excuse for overturning the Constitution.



4. Mull this over: FDR was good friends with Mussolini, Hitler, and Stalin.
His New Deal was copied from Mussolini's economic plans.
He wanted the same power that other dictators had.
And he knew how to get it: keep the recession going.


And he did.