Fauci is not the solution, he's the problem.

[esalla]

If Fauci had been in charge from the beginning our response wouldn't have been delayed in order to protect the economy.

Oops!

Trump received warnings early enough (Jan./Feb.) to have changed the trajectory of the outbreak in the US. He made a conscience choice to ignore the warnings in favor of not disrupting the economy. Nothing Fauci said in the press briefing changes those facts.

The NY infections came from the EU, and the EU response was very slow. Trump imposed "xenophobic" his travel ban and that saved many lives. It gave the CDC and FDA time to get the testing capacity increased by using commercial labs.
When the infections happened, why are you putting all of the blame on Trump, governors have the power to shut down their states, even more-so than Trump.

Y'all just can't stop repeating TRUMPs created lie, can you? Your right wing media, brainwashed you.

The travel ban was not xenophobic, it was a good move, but about a month late... to truly help in a meaningful manner, because 430000 Chinese travelers came here in January before his ban and 40000 after the ban...

What was called xenophobic, was Trump calling the virus the Kung Flu, and Chinese virus and his mocking, vs calling the virus by its real name, COVID19, or novel corona virus.

Actually every democrat called Trump a racist xenophobe for enacting the travel ban when he did. You are living in a false world

Nope... all the right wing media repeated Trump' s lie, that he used to deflect from what he was doing, which was putting Chinese American lives in danger here, from his Xenophobic rhetoric on the Kung Flu....

And the right wing media, even created fake posts of democratic leadership, to promote Trump' s lie and deflection....

More hysterical jibberish.
Putting American Chinese peoples lives in danger?

How you say asinine shit like that with a straight face is beyond me.
Seriously makes me wonder if many of you have underly

If Fauci had been in charge from the beginning our response wouldn't have been delayed in order to protect the economy.

Oops!

Trump received warnings early enough (Jan./Feb.) to have changed the trajectory of the outbreak in the US. He made a conscience choice to ignore the warnings in favor of not disrupting the economy. Nothing Fauci said in the press briefing changes those facts.

The NY infections came from the EU, and the EU response was very slow. Trump imposed "xenophobic" his travel ban and that saved many lives. It gave the CDC and FDA time to get the testing capacity increased by using commercial labs.
When the infections happened, why are you putting all of the blame on Trump, governors have the power to shut down their states, even more-so than Trump.

Y'all just can't stop repeating TRUMPs created lie, can you? Your right wing media, brainwashed you.

The travel ban was not xenophobic, it was a good move, but about a month late... to truly help in a meaningful manner, because 430000 Chinese travelers came here in January before his ban and 40000 after the ban...

What was called xenophobic, was Trump calling the virus the Kung Flu, and Chinese virus and his mocking, vs calling the virus by its real name, COVID19, or novel corona virus.

Actually every democrat called Trump a racist xenophobe for enacting the travel ban when he did. You are living in a false world

Nope... all the right wing media repeated Trump' s lie, that he used to deflect from what he was doing, which was putting Chinese American lives in danger here, from his Xenophobic rhetoric on the Kung Flu....

And the right wing media, even created fake posts of democratic leadership, to promote Trump' s lie and deflection....

How can you post such ridiculous asinine shit with a straight face? He put Chinese Americans in danger???

Seriously unhinged and baseless BULLSHIT. Makes me wonder if many of you here actually have underlying mental health issues of if you're just straight partisan hack trolls and truth be damned...

Chinese Americans are being attacked. One Asian reporter was called a slang word she hadn't heard since grade school. He was not helping matters in labeling COVID "the China Virus" or whatever.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/20/coronavirus-trump-chinese-virus/

He could, at the very least, make a statement similar to the one Bush made regarding Muslim.Americans after 9/11.

Why are you defending people who either boil dogs alive or will not condemn the practice

I don't see anyone here doing or saying that. But I understand why you want to make the connection. Trump did say he could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue and get away with it. And you'd love him for it.
Oh yeah and by the way, you are a POS for posting this picture.

Are you aware that the first Amendment allows for the chinese to be called chinks, the japanese to be called nips and the koreans to be called gooks?

It also allows for mouth breathing inbred morons like you to be called racist pricks.

Use those terms in your workplace and see how far the 1st Amendment will get you, asshole.

Cool

Was my Father racist for calling the Japanese nips when he went up the beach on Okinawa in the last major battle of WW2?

He also favored rice burner for some reason, not sure if he used a flame thrower on the caves

Yes.

However you owe my father and the other men with him everything you treasure as an American

So thanks for the compliment

I am the one who lives in fear because whether I meet him again in heaven or hell he is gonna kick the living (now dead) shit out of me for buying a Nissan

Soldiers like your dad HAVE TO dehumanize the enemy; it's the only way they can cope with slaughtering other humans en masse. When they get home they often modify that and start seeing the previous enemy as human beings again. But no one can really blame them if they don't. Those people were trying to kill them, too.

What is worrisome is when that dehumanization carries into the peace-time world. We are ALL human. It's destructive when we forget that the "other" is as human as we are.

Men like my father got cheers as well

 

[OldLady]

Men like my father got cheers as well

Of course! They were brave men. My dad was on an aircraft carrier that was kamikazi'd. I meant no disrespect. But did my actual point fly over your head?

 

[esalla]

Men like my father got cheers as well

Of course! They were brave men. My dad was on an aircraft carrier that was kamikazi'd. I meant no disrespect. But did my actual point fly over your head?

You have no point as there is no way to dehumanize the American enemies in WW2 because they were never human

So you are seriously confused

image removed

 

[Care4all]

If Fauci had been in charge from the beginning our response wouldn't have been delayed in order to protect the economy.

Oops!

Trump received warnings early enough (Jan./Feb.) to have changed the trajectory of the outbreak in the US. He made a conscience choice to ignore the warnings in favor of not disrupting the economy. Nothing Fauci said in the press briefing changes those facts.

The NY infections came from the EU, and the EU response was very slow. Trump imposed "xenophobic" his travel ban and that saved many lives. It gave the CDC and FDA time to get the testing capacity increased by using commercial labs.
When the infections happened, why are you putting all of the blame on Trump, governors have the power to shut down their states, even more-so than Trump.

Y'all just can't stop repeating TRUMPs created lie, can you? Your right wing media, brainwashed you.

The travel ban was not xenophobic, it was a good move, but about a month late... to truly help in a meaningful manner, because 430000 Chinese travelers came here in January before his ban and 40000 after the ban...

What was called xenophobic, was Trump calling the virus the Kung Flu, and Chinese virus and his mocking, vs calling the virus by its real name, COVID19, or novel corona virus.

Actually every democrat called Trump a racist xenophobe for enacting the travel ban when he did. You are living in a false world

Nope... all the right wing media repeated Trump' s lie, that he used to deflect from what he was doing, which was putting Chinese American lives in danger here, from his Xenophobic rhetoric on the Kung Flu....

And the right wing media, even created fake posts of democratic leadership, to promote Trump' s lie and deflection....

FACT CHECK: DID CHUCK SCHUMER DELETE A TWEET SAYING TRUMP’S TRAVEL BAN IS ‘AN EXCUSE TO FURTHER HIS ONGOING WAR AGAINST IMMIGRANTS’?

An image shared on Facebook claims Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer deleted a tweet criticizing President Donald Trump’s temporary travel ban to and from China as “an excuse to further his ongoing war against immigrants.”

Verdict: False

There is no record of Schumer ever tweeting or deleting the statement. A spokesman from his office confirmed the tweet was fabricated.

Fact Check:

The Senate minority leader has taken to Twitter on several occasions to criticize the Trump administration’s response to the novel coronavirus outbreak. In late January, Trump signed an order temporarily barring most foreign nationals who had visited China recently from entering the U.S., according to The New York Times.

“The premature travel ban to and from China by the current administration is just an excuse to further his ongoing war against immigrants,” reads a Feb. 5 tweet Schumer purportedly deleted. “There must be a check and Balance on these restrictions.”

But the statement does not appear in ProPublica’s archive of the Senate minority leader’s deleted tweets on Feb. 5 or any other date. Vijaya Gadde, the global lead for legal, policy and trust and safety at Twitter, noted it appeared to be fake on Feb. 28

FACT CHECK: Did Chuck Schumer Delete A Tweet Saying Trump’s Travel Ban Is ‘An Excuse To Further His Ongoing War Against Immigrants’?

'There must be a check and Balance on these restrictions'

checkyourfact.com

Turn your brain on before posting please

Flashback: Joe Biden Calls Trumpâs China Travel Restrictions âHysterical Xenophobiaâ

‘The American people need the president who they can trust’

grabien.com

He was responding to a Trump tweet from earlier that day where Trump mentioned the CHINESE VIRUS rhetoric....

Trump lied and told you it was about his travel ban, all right wing media regurgitated the lie, and through brainwashing, which y'all are susceptible to, y'all believe the lie... No matter what you are shown...... sad, really..... but I suppose it is not those being brainwashed's fault.... it is the fault of the brainwasher.

 

[Fueri]

It's Fauci's job to give medical advice. That's what he does. He flat out stated that his recommendations are purely medical and without consideration to other effects. He went with the data he had, which sucked and was off by orders of magnitude and there was, and is, an over-reaction based on that incorrect data.

The problem is not with him, it is with the fact that this side, based on woefully incorrect data, is all we've been seeing. People are now programmed to think it's the only thing that matters and we should just act as if there will not be secondary consequences.

We need to see the economic consequences also laid out in neat little charts that people can understand as right now these consequences have been kicked down the road to buy time and cooperation, but those chickens will come home to roost.

We also need to see the fact that these measures, while slowing the virus, do not solve the problem. The longer we hide without an actual plan to control the virus so as to not overwhelm the hospital systems, which is how this was all sold, the longer this goes on. We also need to see more accurate data, as what we've been using to make these decisions is incomplete and inaccurate.

We need to hear from economists. We need to see the numbers on foreclosures, bankruptcies, unemployment and how all of these continue to increase over time. People need to see both sides of the issue so they have some clue as to what they're actually agreeing to. Right now they don't. At all. Instead they've become useful idiots parroting the story they've been told, which is incomplete, and are tools of their own destruction in many cases.

They've been sold 'stay at home' 'do your part' 'we'll get through this' blah, blah, but those are empty words. There is no action to end load mortgage, rent or other debt payments, and forbearance is not that, it is nothing but a trap, with a balloon at the end that people will not be able to pay. There is no action to give property or business owners a tax holiday for the duration of however long they decide to lock people out of their incomes.

There is no real action that to this point has a meaningful actual effect on people's ability to stay afloat. Period. Not for businesses and not for private citizens. These tiny payments aren't going to do that for any period of time.

It's all nothing but kicking the can down the road to get compliance and promising people "it's all going to be fine" just march blindly along and "do your part" without any real plan as to how to fulfill those promises. Right now they're patting people on the head, cooing a bunch of empty words at them for compliance and marching them right off a cliff.

It is not going to be OK. Not the way things are being done now. The banks are lining up at the buffet, offering these forbearances, knowing full well that at the end of them people will not have the money to pay these balloon payments, as they are not working, and they will be foreclosed on. The banks know this. Foreclosure and eviction proceeding have been delayed, meaning they cannot be started, but, again, that is meaningless BS meant only to kick the can down the road to avoid some very bad press as families are thrown into the street and told to shelter in place under a bridge somewhere. Once that is lifted banks and landlords will act and millions will have their shit tossed onto their lawns and be in the street. It's not going to be OK if we continue on this path. Don't believe that nonsense for a second.

It was buying time, to get the testing and reagents to run the tests, and more swabs to run the test, and more ventilators, and more personal protection masks and robes for doctors and nurses, and PPE for all front line workers like grocery clerks, policemen, emts, Wal-Mart etc workers, and PPE for gosh darn Nursing home attendants and nurses.... And to get the drugs we need from China for patients in IFthey need the ventilators.

If we had started heavy testing in late January a d early February, isolating the positives, and contact tracing and isolation for them etc...

the protocol to contain an epidemic, in every epidemic scenario book written, which was not done by our pandemic team..... caused the mess we are in... And panic by the stock marketeers.

By getting the numbers lower, it will allow states a second chance at testing, isolating, and contact tracing....isolating them.... rince and repeat.

Which gives the rest of us, our freedom, and the economy going.

All true, but all of the "if we had's' in the world will not change any of this at this point.

People cannot simply not work, not pay their bills while being told 'it'll be fine' without any plan to make it so and without giving people the full picture of what exactly they are agreeing to, and that's exactly what they seem to me to be doing right now. They have to have the economic data. Where is it. Why haven't they presented it, either at the federal level or at the state level, at least in my state, opting instead to only focus people on the medical side of the equation, while very conspicuously not addressing the secondary considerations, while they run around fortifying food banks and repeating their mantras of "we'll get through this' "do your part". It's nonsense and people should be offended by it, as they are clearly intentionally not being given the full truth.

Mandate that these missed mortgage payments and other things are backloaded and people's homes and livelihoods will be protected and they won't be tossed out of their home and maybe I'll agree. Right now, the things that have been done do none of that. A forbearance is not a help. It is a trap. This doesn't buy anyone any time, as those bills are accruing and actually making it less possible by the day that people will be able to come up with the money for the balloon at the end. Same thing with these other bills. The longer this goes on, the deeper the hole gets. It's just math.

To this point lawmakers have done nothing of any substance to protect people in this way. At all. They've kicked the can down the road, with no real plan to keep people economically afloat and no actual plan to manage the development the herd immunity that we actually need while trying to protect the vulnerable- opting instead to try to stop this, which is a total snipe hunt. Always has been and always will be.

 

[esalla]

If Fauci had been in charge from the beginning our response wouldn't have been delayed in order to protect the economy.

Oops!

Trump received warnings early enough (Jan./Feb.) to have changed the trajectory of the outbreak in the US. He made a conscience choice to ignore the warnings in favor of not disrupting the economy. Nothing Fauci said in the press briefing changes those facts.

The NY infections came from the EU, and the EU response was very slow. Trump imposed "xenophobic" his travel ban and that saved many lives. It gave the CDC and FDA time to get the testing capacity increased by using commercial labs.
When the infections happened, why are you putting all of the blame on Trump, governors have the power to shut down their states, even more-so than Trump.

Y'all just can't stop repeating TRUMPs created lie, can you? Your right wing media, brainwashed you.

The travel ban was not xenophobic, it was a good move, but about a month late... to truly help in a meaningful manner, because 430000 Chinese travelers came here in January before his ban and 40000 after the ban...

What was called xenophobic, was Trump calling the virus the Kung Flu, and Chinese virus and his mocking, vs calling the virus by its real name, COVID19, or novel corona virus.

Actually every democrat called Trump a racist xenophobe for enacting the travel ban when he did. You are living in a false world

Nope... all the right wing media repeated Trump' s lie, that he used to deflect from what he was doing, which was putting Chinese American lives in danger here, from his Xenophobic rhetoric on the Kung Flu....

And the right wing media, even created fake posts of democratic leadership, to promote Trump' s lie and deflection....

FACT CHECK: DID CHUCK SCHUMER DELETE A TWEET SAYING TRUMP’S TRAVEL BAN IS ‘AN EXCUSE TO FURTHER HIS ONGOING WAR AGAINST IMMIGRANTS’?

An image shared on Facebook claims Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer deleted a tweet criticizing President Donald Trump’s temporary travel ban to and from China as “an excuse to further his ongoing war against immigrants.”

Verdict: False

There is no record of Schumer ever tweeting or deleting the statement. A spokesman from his office confirmed the tweet was fabricated.

Fact Check:

The Senate minority leader has taken to Twitter on several occasions to criticize the Trump administration’s response to the novel coronavirus outbreak. In late January, Trump signed an order temporarily barring most foreign nationals who had visited China recently from entering the U.S., according to The New York Times.

“The premature travel ban to and from China by the current administration is just an excuse to further his ongoing war against immigrants,” reads a Feb. 5 tweet Schumer purportedly deleted. “There must be a check and Balance on these restrictions.”

But the statement does not appear in ProPublica’s archive of the Senate minority leader’s deleted tweets on Feb. 5 or any other date. Vijaya Gadde, the global lead for legal, policy and trust and safety at Twitter, noted it appeared to be fake on Feb. 28

FACT CHECK: Did Chuck Schumer Delete A Tweet Saying Trump’s Travel Ban Is ‘An Excuse To Further His Ongoing War Against Immigrants’?

'There must be a check and Balance on these restrictions'

checkyourfact.com

Turn your brain on before posting please

Flashback: Joe Biden Calls Trumpâs China Travel Restrictions âHysterical Xenophobiaâ

‘The American people need the president who they can trust’

grabien.com

He was responding to a Trump tweet from earlier that day where Trump mentioned the CHINESE VIRUS rhetoric....

Trump lied and told you it was about his travel ban, all right wing media regurgitated the lie, and through brainwashing, which y'all are susceptible to, y'all believe the lie... No matter what you are shown...... sad, really..... but I suppose it is not those being brainwashed's fault.... it is the fault of the brainwasher.

LOL so you read all of Trumps tweets

That makes you a tweety reader

Cool

 

[Care4all]

If Fauci had been in charge from the beginning our response wouldn't have been delayed in order to protect the economy.

Oops!

Trump received warnings early enough (Jan./Feb.) to have changed the trajectory of the outbreak in the US. He made a conscience choice to ignore the warnings in favor of not disrupting the economy. Nothing Fauci said in the press briefing changes those facts.

The NY infections came from the EU, and the EU response was very slow. Trump imposed "xenophobic" his travel ban and that saved many lives. It gave the CDC and FDA time to get the testing capacity increased by using commercial labs.
When the infections happened, why are you putting all of the blame on Trump, governors have the power to shut down their states, even more-so than Trump.

Y'all just can't stop repeating TRUMPs created lie, can you? Your right wing media, brainwashed you.

The travel ban was not xenophobic, it was a good move, but about a month late... to truly help in a meaningful manner, because 430000 Chinese travelers came here in January before his ban and 40000 after the ban...

What was called xenophobic, was Trump calling the virus the Kung Flu, and Chinese virus and his mocking, vs calling the virus by its real name, COVID19, or novel corona virus.

Actually every democrat called Trump a racist xenophobe for enacting the travel ban when he did. You are living in a false world

Nope... all the right wing media repeated Trump' s lie, that he used to deflect from what he was doing, which was putting Chinese American lives in danger here, from his Xenophobic rhetoric on the Kung Flu....

And the right wing media, even created fake posts of democratic leadership, to promote Trump' s lie and deflection....

More hysterical jibberish.
Putting American Chinese peoples lives in danger?

How you say asinine shit like that with a straight face is beyond me.
Seriously makes me wonder if many of you have underly

If Fauci had been in charge from the beginning our response wouldn't have been delayed in order to protect the economy.

Oops!

Trump received warnings early enough (Jan./Feb.) to have changed the trajectory of the outbreak in the US. He made a conscience choice to ignore the warnings in favor of not disrupting the economy. Nothing Fauci said in the press briefing changes those facts.

The NY infections came from the EU, and the EU response was very slow. Trump imposed "xenophobic" his travel ban and that saved many lives. It gave the CDC and FDA time to get the testing capacity increased by using commercial labs.
When the infections happened, why are you putting all of the blame on Trump, governors have the power to shut down their states, even more-so than Trump.

Y'all just can't stop repeating TRUMPs created lie, can you? Your right wing media, brainwashed you.

The travel ban was not xenophobic, it was a good move, but about a month late... to truly help in a meaningful manner, because 430000 Chinese travelers came here in January before his ban and 40000 after the ban...

What was called xenophobic, was Trump calling the virus the Kung Flu, and Chinese virus and his mocking, vs calling the virus by its real name, COVID19, or novel corona virus.

Actually every democrat called Trump a racist xenophobe for enacting the travel ban when he did. You are living in a false world

Nope... all the right wing media repeated Trump' s lie, that he used to deflect from what he was doing, which was putting Chinese American lives in danger here, from his Xenophobic rhetoric on the Kung Flu....

And the right wing media, even created fake posts of democratic leadership, to promote Trump' s lie and deflection....

How can you post such ridiculous asinine shit with a straight face? He put Chinese Americans in danger???

Seriously unhinged and baseless BULLSHIT. Makes me wonder if many of you here actually have underlying mental health issues of if you're just straight partisan hack trolls and truth be damned...

the left wing media did not make a huge deal out of the travel ban itself...What they hung on to was Trump's rhetoric about the Chinese Virus, Kung Flue...

ONLY IN THE RIGHT WING PROPAGANDA MEDIA, was a big deal made out of what they claimed the left wing was doing...And saying about the China ban.

There was a Chinese American representative whose name I can't remember, who also runs an Asian American group, who called TRUMPs Chinese virus rhetoric etc xenophobic and made the claims violence against Asian Americans had risen since Trump gave you your marching orders via his rhetoric, to hate, the Chinese....

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

One Asian reporter was called a slang word

Hahahahaha

Someone called her a bad name???

Oh the humanity!

 

[Care4all]

It's Fauci's job to give medical advice. That's what he does. He flat out stated that his recommendations are purely medical and without consideration to other effects. He went with the data he had, which sucked and was off by orders of magnitude and there was, and is, an over-reaction based on that incorrect data.

The problem is not with him, it is with the fact that this side, based on woefully incorrect data, is all we've been seeing. People are now programmed to think it's the only thing that matters and we should just act as if there will not be secondary consequences.

We need to see the economic consequences also laid out in neat little charts that people can understand as right now these consequences have been kicked down the road to buy time and cooperation, but those chickens will come home to roost.

We also need to see the fact that these measures, while slowing the virus, do not solve the problem. The longer we hide without an actual plan to control the virus so as to not overwhelm the hospital systems, which is how this was all sold, the longer this goes on. We also need to see more accurate data, as what we've been using to make these decisions is incomplete and inaccurate.

We need to hear from economists. We need to see the numbers on foreclosures, bankruptcies, unemployment and how all of these continue to increase over time. People need to see both sides of the issue so they have some clue as to what they're actually agreeing to. Right now they don't. At all. Instead they've become useful idiots parroting the story they've been told, which is incomplete, and are tools of their own destruction in many cases.

They've been sold 'stay at home' 'do your part' 'we'll get through this' blah, blah, but those are empty words. There is no action to end load mortgage, rent or other debt payments, and forbearance is not that, it is nothing but a trap, with a balloon at the end that people will not be able to pay. There is no action to give property or business owners a tax holiday for the duration of however long they decide to lock people out of their incomes.

There is no real action that to this point has a meaningful actual effect on people's ability to stay afloat. Period. Not for businesses and not for private citizens. These tiny payments aren't going to do that for any period of time.

It's all nothing but kicking the can down the road to get compliance and promising people "it's all going to be fine" just march blindly along and "do your part" without any real plan as to how to fulfill those promises. Right now they're patting people on the head, cooing a bunch of empty words at them for compliance and marching them right off a cliff.

It is not going to be OK. Not the way things are being done now. The banks are lining up at the buffet, offering these forbearances, knowing full well that at the end of them people will not have the money to pay these balloon payments, as they are not working, and they will be foreclosed on. The banks know this. Foreclosure and eviction proceeding have been delayed, meaning they cannot be started, but, again, that is meaningless BS meant only to kick the can down the road to avoid some very bad press as families are thrown into the street and told to shelter in place under a bridge somewhere. Once that is lifted banks and landlords will act and millions will have their shit tossed onto their lawns and be in the street. It's not going to be OK if we continue on this path. Don't believe that nonsense for a second.

It was buying time, to get the testing and reagents to run the tests, and more swabs to run the test, and more ventilators, and more personal protection masks and robes for doctors and nurses, and PPE for all front line workers like grocery clerks, policemen, emts, Wal-Mart etc workers, and PPE for gosh darn Nursing home attendants and nurses.... And to get the drugs we need from China for patients in IFthey need the ventilators.

If we had started heavy testing in late January a d early February, isolating the positives, and contact tracing and isolation for them etc...

the protocol to contain an epidemic, in every epidemic scenario book written, which was not done by our pandemic team..... caused the mess we are in... And panic by the stock marketeers.

By getting the numbers lower, it will allow states a second chance at testing, isolating, and contact tracing....isolating them.... rince and repeat.

Which gives the rest of us, our freedom, and the economy going.

All true, but all of the "if we had's' in the world will not change any of this at this point.

People cannot simply not work, not pay their bills while being told 'it'll be fine' without any plan to make it so and without giving people the full picture of what exactly they are agreeing to, and that's exactly what they seem to me to be doing right now. They have to have the economic data. Where is it. Why haven't they presented it, either at the federal level or at the state level, at least in my state, opting instead to only focus people on the medical side of the equation, while very conspicuously not addressing the secondary considerations, while they run around fortifying food banks and repeating their mantras of "we'll get through this' "do your part". It's nonsense and people should be offended by it, as they are clearly intentionally not being given the full truth.

Mandate that these missed mortgage payments and other things are backloaded and people's homes and livelihoods will be protected and they won't be tossed out of their home and maybe I'll agree. Right now, the things that have been done do none of that. A forbearance is not a help. It is a trap. This doesn't buy anyone any time, as those bills are accruing and actually making it less possible by the day that people will be able to come up with the money for the balloon at the end. Same thing with these other bills. The longer this goes on, the deeper the hole gets. It's just math.

To this point lawmakers have done nothing of any substance to protect people in this way. At all. They've kicked the can down the road, with no real plan to keep people economically afloat and no actual plan to manage the development the herd immunity that we actually need while trying to protect the vulnerable- opting instead to try to stop this, which is a total snipe hunt. Always has been and always will be.

I know, I know I know, and agree!

They should just order mortgage companies, auto loans etc as being given 3 or 4 month's grace, and adding the months to the end of the loans!

The states need the federal govts help, it's a big task to test the numbers needed to contain it With contact tracing, and supplies out the ying yang, to make it work.... but we are gosh darn America, I know we can do it, together.... United we stand, divided we fall.

 

[Ray9]

It's incredible that Trump haters broadsided by a virus created to protect globalization just hate Trump more. This is proof that propaganda has not lost its punch. It's sad, so sad.

 

[Fueri]

It's Fauci's job to give medical advice. That's what he does. He flat out stated that his recommendations are purely medical and without consideration to other effects. He went with the data he had, which sucked and was off by orders of magnitude and there was, and is, an over-reaction based on that incorrect data.

The problem is not with him, it is with the fact that this side, based on woefully incorrect data, is all we've been seeing. People are now programmed to think it's the only thing that matters and we should just act as if there will not be secondary consequences.

We need to see the economic consequences also laid out in neat little charts that people can understand as right now these consequences have been kicked down the road to buy time and cooperation, but those chickens will come home to roost.

We also need to see the fact that these measures, while slowing the virus, do not solve the problem. The longer we hide without an actual plan to control the virus so as to not overwhelm the hospital systems, which is how this was all sold, the longer this goes on. We also need to see more accurate data, as what we've been using to make these decisions is incomplete and inaccurate.

We need to hear from economists. We need to see the numbers on foreclosures, bankruptcies, unemployment and how all of these continue to increase over time. People need to see both sides of the issue so they have some clue as to what they're actually agreeing to. Right now they don't. At all. Instead they've become useful idiots parroting the story they've been told, which is incomplete, and are tools of their own destruction in many cases.

They've been sold 'stay at home' 'do your part' 'we'll get through this' blah, blah, but those are empty words. There is no action to end load mortgage, rent or other debt payments, and forbearance is not that, it is nothing but a trap, with a balloon at the end that people will not be able to pay. There is no action to give property or business owners a tax holiday for the duration of however long they decide to lock people out of their incomes.

There is no real action that to this point has a meaningful actual effect on people's ability to stay afloat. Period. Not for businesses and not for private citizens. These tiny payments aren't going to do that for any period of time.

It's all nothing but kicking the can down the road to get compliance and promising people "it's all going to be fine" just march blindly along and "do your part" without any real plan as to how to fulfill those promises. Right now they're patting people on the head, cooing a bunch of empty words at them for compliance and marching them right off a cliff.

It is not going to be OK. Not the way things are being done now. The banks are lining up at the buffet, offering these forbearances, knowing full well that at the end of them people will not have the money to pay these balloon payments, as they are not working, and they will be foreclosed on. The banks know this. Foreclosure and eviction proceeding have been delayed, meaning they cannot be started, but, again, that is meaningless BS meant only to kick the can down the road to avoid some very bad press as families are thrown into the street and told to shelter in place under a bridge somewhere. Once that is lifted banks and landlords will act and millions will have their shit tossed onto their lawns and be in the street. It's not going to be OK if we continue on this path. Don't believe that nonsense for a second.

It was buying time, to get the testing and reagents to run the tests, and more swabs to run the test, and more ventilators, and more personal protection masks and robes for doctors and nurses, and PPE for all front line workers like grocery clerks, policemen, emts, Wal-Mart etc workers, and PPE for gosh darn Nursing home attendants and nurses.... And to get the drugs we need from China for patients in IFthey need the ventilators.

If we had started heavy testing in late January a d early February, isolating the positives, and contact tracing and isolation for them etc...

the protocol to contain an epidemic, in every epidemic scenario book written, which was not done by our pandemic team..... caused the mess we are in... And panic by the stock marketeers.

By getting the numbers lower, it will allow states a second chance at testing, isolating, and contact tracing....isolating them.... rince and repeat.

Which gives the rest of us, our freedom, and the economy going.

All true, but all of the "if we had's' in the world will not change any of this at this point.

People cannot simply not work, not pay their bills while being told 'it'll be fine' without any plan to make it so and without giving people the full picture of what exactly they are agreeing to, and that's exactly what they seem to me to be doing right now. They have to have the economic data. Where is it. Why haven't they presented it, either at the federal level or at the state level, at least in my state, opting instead to only focus people on the medical side of the equation, while very conspicuously not addressing the secondary considerations, while they run around fortifying food banks and repeating their mantras of "we'll get through this' "do your part". It's nonsense and people should be offended by it, as they are clearly intentionally not being given the full truth.

Mandate that these missed mortgage payments and other things are backloaded and people's homes and livelihoods will be protected and they won't be tossed out of their home and maybe I'll agree. Right now, the things that have been done do none of that. A forbearance is not a help. It is a trap. This doesn't buy anyone any time, as those bills are accruing and actually making it less possible by the day that people will be able to come up with the money for the balloon at the end. Same thing with these other bills. The longer this goes on, the deeper the hole gets. It's just math.

To this point lawmakers have done nothing of any substance to protect people in this way. At all. They've kicked the can down the road, with no real plan to keep people economically afloat and no actual plan to manage the development the herd immunity that we actually need while trying to protect the vulnerable- opting instead to try to stop this, which is a total snipe hunt. Always has been and always will be.

I know, I know I know, and agree!

They should just order mortgage companies, auto loans etc as being given 3 or 4 month's grace, and adding the months to the end of the loans!

The states need the federal govts help, it's a big task to test the numbers needed to contain it With contact tracing, and supplies out the ying yang, to make it work.... but we are gosh darn America, I know we can do it, together.... United we stand, divided we fall.

yep. We do need to get the testing up and the infrastructure for tracing. I'm all for it and see the need.

I'll agree we can do this. I'll grab my pom-poms too, if they show us a plan that addresses all of the variables. I hope I can, really.

Right now I'm skeptical that they will meaningfully protect Joe Average. They didn't do it in '08 and the banks contributed to that mess. Hope I'm wrong, but the financial sector has a lot of lobby money and I'm sure they're burning through it furiously right now to protect their interests and avoid having to forego earnings.

If the government is not willing to meaningfully protect people they should not be asking some of them to simply take one for the team and sacrifice their financial futures and everything they've worked for literally their entire lives while others sail merrily along and ultimately profit from it by grabbing up undervalued assets and sucking up people's equity after they've been shoved into insolvency due to no fault of their own.

 

[Ray9]

The timeline of the insurance policy to take Trump down, played itself out and failed. Trump got elected on a platform of America first which threatened the globalist elites that have been selling out Americans for fifty years.

The corruption of security agencies, illegal wiretapping of Trump supporters, Mueller Investigations, impeachment proceedings, the aid and comfort of the liberal press, professional malfeasance on the part of FBI head Comey, and intelligence operatives Clapper and Brennan were not enough to topple Trump and Trump’s economy was humming.

Then, a coincidence of massive proportions originating in China, the largest beneficiary of globalization, dropped onto the American economy like an asteroid strike. The economy deflated like a flat tire overnight. What an amazing coincidence!

Do you believe in coincidences like this? You do if you hate Trump!

 

[esalla]

If Fauci had been in charge from the beginning our response wouldn't have been delayed in order to protect the economy.

Oops!

Trump received warnings early enough (Jan./Feb.) to have changed the trajectory of the outbreak in the US. He made a conscience choice to ignore the warnings in favor of not disrupting the economy. Nothing Fauci said in the press briefing changes those facts.

The NY infections came from the EU, and the EU response was very slow. Trump imposed "xenophobic" his travel ban and that saved many lives. It gave the CDC and FDA time to get the testing capacity increased by using commercial labs.
When the infections happened, why are you putting all of the blame on Trump, governors have the power to shut down their states, even more-so than Trump.

Y'all just can't stop repeating TRUMPs created lie, can you? Your right wing media, brainwashed you.

The travel ban was not xenophobic, it was a good move, but about a month late... to truly help in a meaningful manner, because 430000 Chinese travelers came here in January before his ban and 40000 after the ban...

What was called xenophobic, was Trump calling the virus the Kung Flu, and Chinese virus and his mocking, vs calling the virus by its real name, COVID19, or novel corona virus.

Actually every democrat called Trump a racist xenophobe for enacting the travel ban when he did. You are living in a false world

Nope... all the right wing media repeated Trump' s lie, that he used to deflect from what he was doing, which was putting Chinese American lives in danger here, from his Xenophobic rhetoric on the Kung Flu....

And the right wing media, even created fake posts of democratic leadership, to promote Trump' s lie and deflection....

More hysterical jibberish.
Putting American Chinese peoples lives in danger?

How you say asinine shit like that with a straight face is beyond me.
Seriously makes me wonder if many of you have underly

If Fauci had been in charge from the beginning our response wouldn't have been delayed in order to protect the economy.

Oops!

Trump received warnings early enough (Jan./Feb.) to have changed the trajectory of the outbreak in the US. He made a conscience choice to ignore the warnings in favor of not disrupting the economy. Nothing Fauci said in the press briefing changes those facts.

The NY infections came from the EU, and the EU response was very slow. Trump imposed "xenophobic" his travel ban and that saved many lives. It gave the CDC and FDA time to get the testing capacity increased by using commercial labs.
When the infections happened, why are you putting all of the blame on Trump, governors have the power to shut down their states, even more-so than Trump.

Y'all just can't stop repeating TRUMPs created lie, can you? Your right wing media, brainwashed you.

The travel ban was not xenophobic, it was a good move, but about a month late... to truly help in a meaningful manner, because 430000 Chinese travelers came here in January before his ban and 40000 after the ban...

What was called xenophobic, was Trump calling the virus the Kung Flu, and Chinese virus and his mocking, vs calling the virus by its real name, COVID19, or novel corona virus.

Actually every democrat called Trump a racist xenophobe for enacting the travel ban when he did. You are living in a false world

Nope... all the right wing media repeated Trump' s lie, that he used to deflect from what he was doing, which was putting Chinese American lives in danger here, from his Xenophobic rhetoric on the Kung Flu....

And the right wing media, even created fake posts of democratic leadership, to promote Trump' s lie and deflection....

How can you post such ridiculous asinine shit with a straight face? He put Chinese Americans in danger???

Seriously unhinged and baseless BULLSHIT. Makes me wonder if many of you here actually have underlying mental health issues of if you're just straight partisan hack trolls and truth be damned...

the left wing media did not make a huge deal out of the travel ban itself...What they hung on to was Trump's rhetoric about the Chinese Virus, Kung Flue...

ONLY IN THE RIGHT WING PROPAGANDA MEDIA, was a big deal made out of what they claimed the left wing was doing...And saying about the China ban.

There was a Chinese American representative whose name I can't remember, who also runs an Asian American group, who called TRUMPs Chinese virus rhetoric etc xenophobic and made the claims violence against Asian Americans had risen since Trump gave you your marching orders via his rhetoric, to hate, the Chinese....

Yea kid they did make a big deal about the travel ban, they mocked trump for it in fact. As usual Trump won

 

[lennypartiv]

It's incredible that Trump haters broadsided by a virus created to protect globalization just hate Trump more. This is proof that propaganda has not lost its punch. It's sad, so sad.

Trump's miracle drug is saving lives. And if we finish the border wall, it can be used to keep future viruses out.

 

[JoeB131]

Yea kid they did make a big deal about the travel ban, they mocked trump for it in fact. As usual Trump won

We now have more Covid Cases and deaths than any other country despite the travel ban. It would have been nice if Trump had another plan other than "more racism!"

 

[esalla]

Yea kid they did make a big deal about the travel ban, they mocked trump for it in fact. As usual Trump won

We now have more Covid Cases and deaths than any other country despite the travel ban. It would have been nice if Trump had another plan other than "more racism!"

Does Joe Biden have a plan to stop pooping in his diaper

 

[Diver Diva]

Fauci is nothing more than a typical bureaucrat. He is only interested in keeping his .gov paycheck and couldn't care less about your paycheck.

 

[JoeB131]

Fauci is nothing more than a typical bureaucrat. He is only interested in keeping his .gov paycheck and couldn't care less about your paycheck.

It's not his job to worry about your paycheck.

It's his job to make sure we don't have hundreds of thousands of deaths instead of tens of thousands.

 

[lennypartiv]

Fauci is nothing more than a typical bureaucrat. He is only interested in keeping his .gov paycheck and couldn't care less about your paycheck.

Trump needs to find some professor to teach economics to Fauci.

 

[kyzr]

Fauci is nothing more than a typical bureaucrat. He is only interested in keeping his .gov paycheck and couldn't care less about your paycheck.

It's not his job to worry about your paycheck.

It's his job to make sure we don't have hundreds of thousands of deaths instead of tens of thousands.

OMG, we agree on something!!
But we also need to factor in the deaths that would happen if the economy tanks if not re-started soon enough.
The governors have a balancing act, to restart the economy so that we don't lose businesses, but not too soon or the virus erupts.
IMHO the "fly-over" states can restart soon, and the big urban areas a week or two later.
We want to keep too many restaurants, and stores from failing.