fascism, does it exist in 21st Century America?

[Wry Catcher]

I will argue it does, and that fascism is the greatest threat to our republic in this, the first decade of the new century.
But first, before the debate begins, how do YOU define fascisim (small 'f')?

 

[VaYank5150]

I will argue it does, and that fascism is the greatest threat to our republic in this, the first decade of the new century.
But first, before the debate begins, how do YOU define fascisim (small 'f')?

Survival of the fittest/strongest/wealthiest?

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

If you argue that it is the greatest threat, the onus is on you to not only define what Fascism is, but also to define what you mean by greatest threat.

You have the process of debate backwards. Apparently, you want people to willingly fall into the hole, and then state what the definition of a hole is while they are in said hole. Then, you will start what you consider the debate aspect.

 

[VaYank5150]

If you argue that it is the greatest threat, the onus is on you to not only define what Fascism is, but also to define what you mean by greatest threat.

You have the process of debate backwards. Apparently, you want people to willingly fall into the hole, and then state what the definition of a hole is while they are in said hole. Then, you will start what you consider the debate aspect.

Don't be so quick to judge Wry. I know him from a previous MB and while I don't always agree with him, I have found him to be a fair and honest debater. Give him some latitude, please.

 

[Si modo]

If you argue that it is the greatest threat, the onus is on you to not only define what Fascism is, but also to define what you mean by greatest threat.

You have the process of debate backwards. ....

That's the way it works for honest brokers of discussion.

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

If you argue that it is the greatest threat, the onus is on you to not only define what Fascism is, but also to define what you mean by greatest threat.

You have the process of debate backwards. Apparently, you want people to willingly fall into the hole, and then state what the definition of a hole is while they are in said hole. Then, you will start what you consider the debate aspect.

Don't be so quick to judge Wry. I know him from a previous MB and while I don't always agree with him, I have found him to be a fair and honest debater. Give him some latitude, please.

What I stated is true. He started the thread and debate backwards. I know what he is up to. I read posts.

 

[VaYank5150]

If you argue that it is the greatest threat, the onus is on you to not only define what Fascism is, but also to define what you mean by greatest threat.

You have the process of debate backwards. Apparently, you want people to willingly fall into the hole, and then state what the definition of a hole is while they are in said hole. Then, you will start what you consider the debate aspect.

Don't be so quick to judge Wry. I know him from a previous MB and while I don't always agree with him, I have found him to be a fair and honest debater. Give him some latitude, please.

What I stated is true. He started the thread and debate backwards. I know what he is up to. I read posts.

My opinion and experience is different from yours. Fair enough.

 

[Old Rocks]

I will argue it does, and that fascism is the greatest threat to our republic in this, the first decade of the new century.
But first, before the debate begins, how do YOU define fascisim (small 'f')?

[edit] Fascist corporatism
Part of the Politics series on
Fascism


In Italy, corporatism became influential amongst Italian nationalists. The Charter of Carnaro gained much popularity as the prototype of a 'corporative state', having displayed much within its tenets as a guild system combining the concepts of autonomy & authority in a special synthesis. This appealed to Hegelian thinkers such as Mussolini who were looking for a new alternative to popular socialist & syndicalist stances which was also a progressive system of governing labor and still a new way of relating to political governance as a whole. Alfredo Rocco spoke of a corporative state and declared corporatist ideology in detail. Rocco would go on to become a member of the Italian Fascist regime.[29] Italian Fascism involved a corporatist political system in which economy was collectively managed by employers, workers and state officials by formal mechanisms at national level. [30] This non-elected form of state officializing of every interest into the state was professed to better circumvent the marginalization of singular interests (as would allegedly happen by the unilateral end condition inherent in the democratic voting process). Corporatism would instead better recognize or 'incorporate' every divergent interest as it stands alone into the state organically, according to its supporters, thus being the inspiration behind their use of the term totalitarian, perceivable to them as not meaning a coercive system but described distinctly as without coercion in the 1932 Doctrine of Fascism as thus:
Corporatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JakeStarkey]

If you argue that it is the greatest threat, the onus is on you to not only define what Fascism is, but also to define what you mean by greatest threat.

You have the process of debate backwards. ....

That's the way it works for honest brokers of discussion.

You need to play by your own rules, si modo.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Fair enough. IMO fascism in twenty-first century America is characterised by jingoism, chauvinism, unilateralism, zero sum game politics and hypocrisy; militarism, disdain for human rights and academic freedom, obsession with national security, scapegoating, and propaganda infused with hate and fear of some group (by race, religion, sex, sexual orientation, ethnicity or region). For a start.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What do you call it when the government takes over and then tells key industries, like say car companies and banks what they will do, right down to setting executive pay?

Oh yeah, that's right, Fascism!

 

[Wry Catcher]

I will argue it does, and that fascism is the greatest threat to our republic in this, the first decade of the new century.
But first, before the debate begins, how do YOU define fascisim (small 'f')?

[edit] Fascist corporatism
Part of the Politics series on
Fascism


In Italy, corporatism became influential amongst Italian nationalists. The Charter of Carnaro gained much popularity as the prototype of a 'corporative state', having displayed much within its tenets as a guild system combining the concepts of autonomy & authority in a special synthesis. This appealed to Hegelian thinkers such as Mussolini who were looking for a new alternative to popular socialist & syndicalist stances which was also a progressive system of governing labor and still a new way of relating to political governance as a whole. Alfredo Rocco spoke of a corporative state and declared corporatist ideology in detail. Rocco would go on to become a member of the Italian Fascist regime.[29] Italian Fascism involved a corporatist political system in which economy was collectively managed by employers, workers and state officials by formal mechanisms at national level. [30] This non-elected form of state officializing of every interest into the state was professed to better circumvent the marginalization of singular interests (as would allegedly happen by the unilateral end condition inherent in the democratic voting process). Corporatism would instead better recognize or 'incorporate' every divergent interest as it stands alone into the state organically, according to its supporters, thus being the inspiration behind their use of the term totalitarian, perceivable to them as not meaning a coercive system but described distinctly as without coercion in the 1932 Doctrine of Fascism as thus:
Corporatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Note please the small 'f'.

 

[VaYank5150]

What do you call it when the government takes over and then tells key industries, like say car companies and banks what they will do, right down to setting executive pay?

Oh yeah, that's right, Fascism!

Now was this action by the government before or after said car companies voluntarily begged said government to bail them out and keep them from going out of business?

 

[Wry Catcher]

What do you call it when the government takes over and then tells key industries, like say car companies and banks what they will do, right down to setting executive pay?

Oh yeah, that's right, Fascism!

No CF, it is not.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What do you call it when the government takes over and then tells key industries, like say car companies and banks what they will do, right down to setting executive pay?

Oh yeah, that's right, Fascism!

Now was this action by the government before or after said car companies voluntarily begged said government to bail them out and keep them from going out of business?

They had it coming because they dressed so provocatively, gotcha.

 

[Si modo]

If you argue that it is the greatest threat, the onus is on you to not only define what Fascism is, but also to define what you mean by greatest threat.

You have the process of debate backwards. ....

That's the way it works for honest brokers of discussion.

You need to play by your own rules, si modo.

 

[VaYank5150]

What do you call it when the government takes over and then tells key industries, like say car companies and banks what they will do, right down to setting executive pay?

Oh yeah, that's right, Fascism!

Now was this action by the government before or after said car companies voluntarily begged said government to bail them out and keep them from going out of business?

They had it coming because they dressed so provocatively, gotcha.

Why? Did they beg for money, too??

 

[Wry Catcher]

What do you call it when the government takes over and then tells key industries, like say car companies and banks what they will do, right down to setting executive pay?

Oh yeah, that's right, Fascism!

Now was this action by the government before or after said car companies voluntarily begged said government to bail them out and keep them from going out of business?

They had it coming because they dressed so provocatively, gotcha.

CF, this is an attempt to have real debate on a substantive issue; I suspect you're out of your league.

...fascism is also a political system wherein the individual is subordinate to the state.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Now was this action by the government before or after said car companies voluntarily begged said government to bail them out and keep them from going out of business?

They had it coming because they dressed so provocatively, gotcha.

Why? Did they beg for money, too??

They could have and should have went through a real Chapter 11 so they they could finally put salt on the Leach-like UAW.

 

[VaYank5150]

They had it coming because they dressed so provocatively, gotcha.

Why? Did they beg for money, too??

They could have and should have went through a real Chapter 11 so they they could finally put salt on the Leach-like UAW.

On this, we completely agree. However, this sidebar really has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Agreed?