"Far Right" can't win for GOP? ...BS!

[candycorn]

Okay,

so name the more conservative candidates who could have beaten Obama in either 2008 or 2012.

Be specific and make the case for anyone you name

So sorry. Boss can't do THAT. It's a secret and if Boss tell us the secret candidate who COULD have won, then they may not be able to win the next election. SO soeey.

It has nothing to do with a secret, it's a stupid line of questioning that has no basis in reality. It's like asking for someone to make a case for who could have won the Super Bowl last year, other than one of the two teams who played the game. Obviously, any team I come up with did not make it to the Super Bowl!

Again, Newt Gingrich wasn't a conservative? Wow. Would Edi Amin satisfy you?

 

[nodoginnafight]

Conservative - Outlaw abortion except when the health of the mother is in danger.
Far Right (The GOP Platform btw) - Outlaw all abortions regardless of health concerns.

 

[Edgetho]

Basically all the GOP needs is another Jimmy Carter (who actually was more fiscally conservative than Ronald Reagan ever dreamed of being) and you'll win big regardless of who you roll out. The last President to fit that mold was W who turned peace and prosperity into a series of unwinnable endless wars and a $700B bailout.
It takes about 12 years to get the White House back after such a disaster....good luck in 2020.

Carter was hardly fiscally conservative.

His term is hard to understand.... He created more jobs in one term than the Lying Cocksucker in Chief will in two terms -- AFTER the worst recession in History.

At the same time, he allowed inflation to take control of -- Everything.

What really lost him his 2nd term was his liberal (read; STOOPID) Foreign Policies, IMO.

We had just gotten corn-holed by dimocrap FILTH in Viet Nam and he lets Iran embarrass the FUCK out of us.

He de-nutted the Military, kissed the Soviets's asses and let our people lay in prison in Tehran for 444 days.

Who were released the VERY MINUTE President of the United States of America, Ronald Wilson Reagan took Office..

Then there was the 'malaise speech'

Carter was, overall, a horrible president. Not nearly as charming as the Lying Cocksucker in Chief, not nearly as good of a liar, and didn't have the DISGUSTING FILTH of the LSM completely in his pocket. There were still a few honest Journalists back then.

Not anymore.

the Lying Cocksucker in Chief has poisoned the well for Hitlery. She has no chance. None. Zero.

The only chance she has is if a bomb blows up and kills every Republican Candidate while they're all in one place.

Remember something -- Hitlery was a shoo-in for 2008. It was to be a coronation.

She lost.

She's never won a difficult race. Never. Giuliani had to bow out in 2000 when his married life blew up in his face (with a little help from dimocrap filth) and Jeanine Pirro was a terribel candidate. And she lost in 2008 to the Lying Cocksucker.

She was an absolutely TERRIBLE Sec State and there have been WAY too many scandals for all but the most stupid and ignorant of dimocrap scum voters.

It's going to be a massacre, corny.

A complete and utter massacre.

This time around, I hope we walk the battlefield and kill the wounded like dimocraps do every time they win something.

It's time we learned how to be brutal and cruel. Way past time.

dimocraps are the scum of the earth

period

 

[Boss]

Boss and Keys are exactly the far right they deny.

They are not conservative but much further to the right with the reactionaries. Neither one "Recognizes, Respects, Defends and Adheres to the Principles that define America."

They would not vote for a Reagan today if a Cruz were available.

How 'bout you give us some examples of how Boss is "far right" in your mind?

Then, gives us a few examples of how Cruz is more "reactionary far right" than Reagan in terms of legislation he has supported that Reagan would have opposed and such?

My guess is, you will fail at both requests. You have nothing constructive to offer and you can't back your big mouth up with facts. You and Laughy the Clown have been spewing this same rhetoric for the past 6 years and you've never backed a word of it up.

You made the claim, Hamish, so you get to support it. You are a failure as a poster, bud, because you simply bloviate and cannot support your point.

No, I did not claim I was "far right" or "far" anything. That was YOUR claim which you've failed to support.

I will ask you AGAIN... List some examples of how I am "far right" or "extreme" in any of my political views as a Conservative?

 

[JakeStarkey]

If those like Boss and Edgetho are the voice of the GOP, the Dems will beat us by 10% at least.

Boss made the claim he is not far right, but refuses to tell us why.

The affirmation is his; all I have to do is say "nope, you are not."

Get to it, Boss.

 

[Edgetho]

Conservative - Outlaw abortion except when the health of the mother is in danger.
Far Right (The GOP Platform btw) - Outlaw all abortions regardless of health concerns.

You're a lying sack of fucking shit but -- You're a dimocrap, so that's a given.

Conservatives such as I object to the SCOTUS making up law out of whole cloth when none exists.

Before Roe, there were States that allowed abortion and States that didn't.

Abortion was moving through State Legislatures slowly but surely.

We object to the SCOTUS Making Law. It's not their job.

 

[JakeStarkey]

What you object to, Edge, does not matter to sane people.

You DO NOT represent modern Republicanism.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Yeah, that's why Hillary is leading every proposed GOP challenger by at least 7.4.

I remember the same bold predictions about massacre in 2008 and 2012. How did those work out for ya?

 

[Kondor3]

What you object to, Edge, does not matter to sane people.

You DO NOT represent modern Republicanism.

That's odd...

A lot of your fellow posters say the same thing about you.

Pot... meet kettle.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Conservative - Outlaw abortion except when the health of the mother is in danger.
Far Right (The GOP Platform btw) - Outlaw all abortions regardless of health concerns.

You're a lying sack of fucking shit but -- You're a dimocrap, so that's a given.

Conservatives such as I object to the SCOTUS making up law out of whole cloth when none exists.

Before Roe, there were States that allowed abortion and States that didn't.

Abortion was moving through State Legislatures slowly but surely.

We object to the SCOTUS Making Law. It's not their job.

I'm not a democrat - that makes YOU the liar. Ew is this where I act surprised?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Conservative - Outlaw abortion except when the health of the mother is in danger.
Far Right (The GOP Platform btw) - Outlaw all abortions regardless of health concerns.

You're a lying sack of fucking shit but -- You're a dimocrap, so that's a given.

Conservatives such as I object to the SCOTUS making up law out of whole cloth when none exists.

Before Roe, there were States that allowed abortion and States that didn't.

Abortion was moving through State Legislatures slowly but surely.

We object to the SCOTUS Making Law. It's not their job.

They didn't make law in Roe. They protected a woman's rights vs. the non-existent constitutional rights of a fetus.

 

[Boss]

Let's just look at history to prove how wrong the OP is

1992 - George Bush Sr.'s closest, more conservative, opponent? Pat Buchanan. Buchanan vs. Bill Clinton?

1996 - Bob Dole's closest, more conservative, opponent? Again, Pat Buchanan. Other conservative-er competitors, Steve Forbes and Alan Keyes.

2008 - McCain's more conservative competition? Romney, Huckabee, Alan Keyes, Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo, Sam Brownback. Which of those guys beats Obama in 2008?

2012 - Romney's more conservative competition? Rick Santorum, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann,

see any winners in that crowd?

See any winners in any of the aforementioned conservatives?

Again... You are asking me to give you examples of people who could have beaten Obama when no one beat Obama! I've already said, Conservatives lacked a voice! That means, they did not have a candidate who could win... and they didn't win. I don't get the point of this exercise...I am supposed to give you a name of someone who could have won but we already know who won and who could have potentially won by the results.

 

[Edgetho]

What you object to, Edge, does not matter to sane people.

You DO NOT represent modern Republicanism.

That's odd...

A lot of your fellow posters say the same thing about you.

Pot... meet kettle.

I am not a Republican. Never claimed to be.

I am not a liberturdian, a socialist, a communist or anything else.

What I am is a Patriot. A Patriot that HATES AND DESPISES, with all his heart and soul, with every fiber of his being -- the scum of the earth dimocrap party.

Sans two horns and a tail, I would vote for anybody that could keep the scum of the earth dimocrap FILTH from the reins of power in this Country.

It just so happens that the Republicans are, at this point in time, the only ones capable of doing that

 

[candycorn]

Let's just look at history to prove how wrong the OP is

1992 - George Bush Sr.'s closest, more conservative, opponent? Pat Buchanan. Buchanan vs. Bill Clinton?

1996 - Bob Dole's closest, more conservative, opponent? Again, Pat Buchanan. Other conservative-er competitors, Steve Forbes and Alan Keyes.

2008 - McCain's more conservative competition? Romney, Huckabee, Alan Keyes, Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo, Sam Brownback. Which of those guys beats Obama in 2008?

2012 - Romney's more conservative competition? Rick Santorum, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann,

see any winners in that crowd?

See any winners in any of the aforementioned conservatives?

Again... You are asking me to give you examples of people who could have beaten Obama when no one beat Obama! I've already said, Conservatives lacked a voice! That means, they did not have a candidate who could win... and they didn't win. I don't get the point of this exercise...I am supposed to give you a name of someone who could have won but we already know who won and who could have potentially won by the results.

No.
You're supposed to support your thesis.
You brought it up....

There were at least 4 conservatives in the field, Gingrich, Perry, Paul, and Bachman. They didn't get a single delegate as I recall. They didn't win a single primary either if I recall.

Rick Santorum was about as conservative as the four I mentioned (I put him aside because he did win some states) and he was drubbed.

But your thesis seems to be that if any of those 5 elevated to the General Election, this groundswell of discontented voters would have risen up out of nowhere and elected them when the guy who beat them was taken to the woodshed by Obama?

 

[Boss]

I've heard this fantasy several times. The problem is, the data just doesn't back it up. The far right was a bigger percentage of the electorate in 2008 and 2012 than ever before. A higher percentage of those on the far right voted for the Republican candidates than ever before.

The GOP lost those elections because they lost the middle by a huge margin.

So if the GOP tacks even farther right, they have nothing to gain and even more to lose.

Sorry, but that's just what the data shows.

AGAIN... NO EXAMPLES OF WHAT "FAR RIGHT" EVEN MEANS!

This is simply left wing rhetoric they will repeat over and over without any basis.

What the data shows is that Conservatives stayed home and didn't cast a vote in 2008 and 2012.

There is a major misconception here. You and others are thinking that :"independent voter" means someone who is a "moderate" or "in the middle" and that's not what it means at all. And that's why the GOP continues to fail at this "run to the middle" strategy they keep trying. There is no one there to appeal to! The overwhelming majority of "independent voters" are Conservatives who are not going to vote for a Republican because he has an (R) beside his name. You're never going to win these voters over by being more moderate.

 

[g5000]

What has been missing for Conservatives is a voice.

What has been missing for Conservatives is an intelligent voice.

There are hundreds of retards on the air speaking for Conservatives. That's the problem.

 

[candycorn]

What has been missing for Conservatives is a voice.

What has been missing for Conservatives is an intelligent voice. There are hundreds of retards speaking for Conservatives.

Hope Boss doesn't think he's that voice.

 

[nodoginnafight]

I've heard this fantasy several times. The problem is, the data just doesn't back it up. The far right was a bigger percentage of the electorate in 2008 and 2012 than ever before. A higher percentage of those on the far right voted for the Republican candidates than ever before.

The GOP lost those elections because they lost the middle by a huge margin.

So if the GOP tacks even farther right, they have nothing to gain and even more to lose.

Sorry, but that's just what the data shows.

AGAIN... NO EXAMPLES OF WHAT "FAR RIGHT" EVEN MEANS!

This is simply left wing rhetoric they will repeat over and over without any basis.

What the data shows is that Conservatives stayed home and didn't cast a vote in 2008 and 2012.

There is a major misconception here. You and others are thinking that :"independent voter" means someone who is a "moderate" or "in the middle" and that's not what it means at all. And that's why the GOP continues to fail at this "run to the middle" strategy they keep trying. There is no one there to appeal to! The overwhelming majority of "independent voters" are Conservatives who are not going to vote for a Republican because he has an (R) beside his name. You're never going to win these voters over by being more moderate.

Examples already provided.

 

[Boss]

Let's just look at history to prove how wrong the OP is

1992 - George Bush Sr.'s closest, more conservative, opponent? Pat Buchanan. Buchanan vs. Bill Clinton?

1996 - Bob Dole's closest, more conservative, opponent? Again, Pat Buchanan. Other conservative-er competitors, Steve Forbes and Alan Keyes.

2008 - McCain's more conservative competition? Romney, Huckabee, Alan Keyes, Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo, Sam Brownback. Which of those guys beats Obama in 2008?

2012 - Romney's more conservative competition? Rick Santorum, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann,

see any winners in that crowd?

See any winners in any of the aforementioned conservatives?

Again... You are asking me to give you examples of people who could have beaten Obama when no one beat Obama! I've already said, Conservatives lacked a voice! That means, they did not have a candidate who could win... and they didn't win. I don't get the point of this exercise...I am supposed to give you a name of someone who could have won but we already know who won and who could have potentially won by the results.

No.
You're supposed to support your thesis.
You brought it up....

There were at least 4 conservatives in the field, Gingrich, Perry, Paul, and Bachman. They didn't get a single delegate as I recall. They didn't win a single primary either if I recall.

Rick Santorum was about as conservative as the four I mentioned (I put him aside because he did win some states) and he was drubbed.

But your thesis seems to be that if any of those 5 elevated to the General Election, this groundswell of discontented voters would have risen up out of nowhere and elected them when the guy who beat them was taken to the woodshed by Obama?

You seem to be very confused. Maybe it's all that extra splooge going to your bimbo brain? You seem to be making my "thesis" into some idiotic argument that I never made. I clearly stated that the GOP did not have a strong conservative voice, that Conservatives lacked a strong voice.... Are you not registering my words here? The Conservative candidate who could have beaten Obama did not exist, did not run, wasn't an option for voters. I can't make a case for someone who didn't exist, didn't run or wasn't an option.

Yes, Rick Santorum was more conservative than Mitt Romney! He didn't win the primary so we don't know how well he might have done against Obama. We can't re-live the past so there is no way for us to confirm speculations on this, it's just a futile gesture that means absolutely nothing at this point. In both 2008 and 2012, the GOP nominated a moderate instead of a Conservative and they lost. If they do it again in 2016, they will lose again.

 

[Boss]

I've heard this fantasy several times. The problem is, the data just doesn't back it up. The far right was a bigger percentage of the electorate in 2008 and 2012 than ever before. A higher percentage of those on the far right voted for the Republican candidates than ever before.

The GOP lost those elections because they lost the middle by a huge margin.

So if the GOP tacks even farther right, they have nothing to gain and even more to lose.

Sorry, but that's just what the data shows.

AGAIN... NO EXAMPLES OF WHAT "FAR RIGHT" EVEN MEANS!

This is simply left wing rhetoric they will repeat over and over without any basis.

What the data shows is that Conservatives stayed home and didn't cast a vote in 2008 and 2012.

There is a major misconception here. You and others are thinking that :"independent voter" means someone who is a "moderate" or "in the middle" and that's not what it means at all. And that's why the GOP continues to fail at this "run to the middle" strategy they keep trying. There is no one there to appeal to! The overwhelming majority of "independent voters" are Conservatives who are not going to vote for a Republican because he has an (R) beside his name. You're never going to win these voters over by being more moderate.

Examples already provided.

WHERE???