Zone1 Faith is "Science"

[Cougarbear]

You have a very high bar for someone who believes in things neither they nor anyone they know have ever observed. If we had fossils of every creature that ever lived "could be" might become "was" but for those of us in the real world...

Those fossils and humans today are evidence of God. The only explanation of how any of this came into existence.

 

[Coyote]

“could be” are fuzzy words.

I stated a fact.

 

[Coyote]

Those fossils and humans today are evidence of God. The only explanation of how any of this came into existence.

How is that evidence do you have that it is God and not a natural process?

 

[alang1216]

Those fossils and humans today are evidence of God. The only explanation of how any of this came into existence.

Your willful ignoring of any evidence contrary to your theology is noted.

 

[Cougarbear]

I stated a fact.

Fuzzy information is not fact. Opinions are not fact. Personal opinions are not facts.

 

[Cougarbear]

How is that evidence do you have that it is God and not a natural process?

There can’t be a natural process to nothingness. An intelligent is the only logical way. God exists.

 

[Coyote]

There can’t be a natural process to nothingness. An intelligent is the only logical way. God exists.

Again, what evidence do you have to support your claim of the existence of such a being?

 

[Cougarbear]

Your willful ignoring of any evidence contrary to your theology is noted.

There is no evidence that natural processes can evolve from nothing. Thus, God or pure intelligence

Again, what evidence do you have to support your claim of the existence of such a being?

i just gave you the answer. Only God could start something from nothing. What do you have to explain how something could come from nothing. Because nothing ever could. Demands God outside of nothing.

 

[Coyote]

There is no evidence that natural processes can evolve from nothing. Thus, God or pure intelligence

That isn’t evidence in favor of a deity or intelligence.

i just gave you the answer. Only God could start something from nothing.

Or a natural process. If your theory is God, you need to first prove God exists. What experient could you design to prove it?

What do you have to explain how something could come from nothing. Because nothing ever could. Demands God outside of nothing.

Absence of evidence for one theory is not of another.

At this point all you have are logical fallacies.

 

[Cougarbear]

That isn’t evidence in favor of a deity or intelligence.


Or a natural process. If your theory is God, you need to first prove God exists. What experient could you design to prove it?




Absence of evidence for one theory is not of another.

At this point all you have are logical fallacies.

How do you have a natural process starting with nothing? Make some sense here.

 

[alang1216]

How do you have a natural process starting with nothing? Make some sense here.

Happens all the time:

Are virtual particles really constantly popping in and out of existence?​

Virtual particles are indeed real particles. Quantum theory predicts that every particle spends some time as a combination of other particles in all possible ways. These predictions are very well understood and tested.​

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Quantum mechanics allows, and indeed requires, temporary violations of conservation of energy, so one particle can become a pair of heavier particles (the so-called virtual particles), which quickly rejoin into the original particle as if they had never been there. If that were all that occurred we would still be confident that it was a real effect because it is an intrinsic part of quantum mechanics, which is extremely well tested, and is a complete and tightly woven theory--if any part of it were wrong the whole structure would collapse.​

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But while the virtual particles are briefly part of our world they can interact with other particles, and that leads to a number of tests of the quantum-mechanical predictions about virtual particles.​

Of course you are claiming there was a time when there was nothing when, in fact you don't believe that yourself. Or do you think God popped into existence from nothing?

 

[Coyote]

How do you have a natural process starting with nothing? Make some sense here.

It didn’t start with “nothing”…that bit was in the God story.

 

[Ringo]

Religion is not moral and ethical norms per se. Religion is merely a parasite on the moral and ethical norms developed and formulated by society, tucking itself in with them, a complex of delusions that man is a "slave of God" and needs shepherds and overseers.

 

[Cougarbear]

Happens all the time:

Are virtual particles really constantly popping in and out of existence?​

Virtual particles are indeed real particles. Quantum theory predicts that every particle spends some time as a combination of other particles in all possible ways. These predictions are very well understood and tested.​

​

Quantum mechanics allows, and indeed requires, temporary violations of conservation of energy, so one particle can become a pair of heavier particles (the so-called virtual particles), which quickly rejoin into the original particle as if they had never been there. If that were all that occurred we would still be confident that it was a real effect because it is an intrinsic part of quantum mechanics, which is extremely well tested, and is a complete and tightly woven theory--if any part of it were wrong the whole structure would collapse.​

​

But while the virtual particles are briefly part of our world they can interact with other particles, and that leads to a number of tests of the quantum-mechanical predictions about virtual particles.​

Of course you are claiming there was a time when there was nothing when, in fact you don't believe that yourself. Or do you think God popped into existence from nothing?

Well, does this mean God can exist out of existence? Perhaps why he can remain unseen unless he wants to be. But at last, the vacuum or nothingness is full of quantum energy. Thus, the particle isn’t in our existence. So, you either prove the existence of God or that God moved over the nothingness.

 

[Cougarbear]

It didn’t start with “nothing”…that bit was in the God story.

So, where did the matter or energy come from?

 

[alang1216]

Well, does this mean God can exist out of existence? Perhaps why he can remain unseen unless he wants to be. But at last, the vacuum or nothingness is full of quantum energy. Thus, the particle isn’t in our existence. So, you either prove the existence of God or that God moved over the nothingness.

Some impressive semantic hoops you have there. So the universe came from nothing but God is eternal. Maybe it is the other way round? How would we know?

 

[Coyote]

So, where did the matter or energy come from?

I am not a physicist, that is not something I know. But we are talking about life are we not?

 

[Cougarbear]

Some impressive semantic hoops you have there. So the universe came from nothing but God is eternal. Maybe it is the other way round? How would we know?

Can’t be the other way being there would have been nothing enclosing energy. The chicken has to come first.

 

[Cougarbear]

I am not a physicist, that is not something I know. But we are talking about life are we not?

Sort of. For evolution of life to exist, where did the life come from?

 

[Coyote]

Sort of. For evolution of life to exist, where did the life come from?

It comes from a mixing of the right molecules (to put it simplistic).

If an intelligence is responsible…where did it come from?