F35 - superfighter or lame duck?

[Manonthestreet]

Funny how Japan will probably only put them on their helo carriers and alrdy are working on a true fighter.......Slow and low...still equals dead in todays fighter combat arena......

ICU before UCMe means you are dead no matter how low and slow or high and fast you are.

That's a nice fairytale...sold by corp mouthpieces like you..........but f35 nowhere close to F22 in that regard...ergo you will be seen.....why do you think there is such a rush for high end fighters by US, Japan and others lately.....methinks the truth is ugly in regard to the slowboat you try so hard to sell

 

[Manonthestreet]

Funny how Japan will probably only put them on their helo carriers and alrdy are working on a true fighter.......Slow and low...still equals dead in todays fighter combat arena......

It's incredible how you are still chanting this despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary during exercises and from pilots themselves. I mean, I get it that you were clueless a few years ago when this plane was still brand new, but to stubbornly stick to your same song and dance when it keeps on dominating other aircraft takes an impressive amount of self-delusion.

You live in a bizarro world of oppossing fighters taking no drag/range/speed penalty for the ordance, fuel tanks, and targeting pods they carry and being able to find stealth fighters that you have hilariously claimed aren't even stealthy.

Not chanting anything......all linked buddy......you believe in magic ,,,f35 always gets first shot and rides away into the sunset,,,,,,,no allowance for tactics or advances by our enemy....by the time this thing gets combat qualled its alrdy garbage......nice expensive targets

 

[DrainBamage]

I read the article and found too many mistakes in it. For instance, the F-35 doesn't have the capability of using the same Long Ranged Missiles that the F-22 can. Horse Feathers. It carries 4 of them internally. It carries the most recent Amraam. And can now carry the Aim-9X on short wing pylons. It probably won't carry the Aim-9X too often since it does take away some performance and stealth but it can do it. Your whole article is written by some moron that is using information from 2014 as a source. Or even earlier.

The inaccuracy of that article is almost funny, I'm curious if ManontheStreet even read it before posting it.

F-22s aren't even scheduled to start getting AIM-120Ds until an upgrade plan that starts in 2019, in what universe does an F-35 not have the same long ranged missiles?

You want an article that actually deals in fact instead of blatantly false statements and outright bullshit references to "leading analysts" try this one on:

Exclusive: Japan to buy at least 20 more F-35A stealth fighters -...
TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan plans to buy at least 20 additional F-35A stealth fighters over the next six years, some or all of which it may purchase directly from Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT.N) in the United States rather than assemble locally, three sources said.

The purchase will add to an earlier order for 42 of the fighters, most of which are being constructed at a “final assembly and check out” plant in Japan operated by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (7011.T), the country’s leading defense contractor.



Now put on your thinking caps here... Japan received their first F-35 in 2016, they know exactly what the plane can do. They then make the decision in 2018 to buy 20-25 more F-35s. If you're implying Japan knows what they are doing by wanting to design the F-3 (or whatever it is) then what does Japan's decision to double down on F-35 after getting their hands on it mean? Think man...

 

[DrainBamage]

Not chanting anything......all linked buddy......you believe in magic ,,,f35 always gets first shot and rides away into the sunset,,,,,,,no allowance for tactics or advances by our enemy....by the time this thing gets combat qualled its alrdy garbage......nice expensive targets

No you chant... you have a long history of doing fly-by posts to continue your weird anti-F-35 obsession yet NEVER sticking around to defend the flaws in your reasoning or the blogs you post. All you do is regurgitate and run, the most you ever manage to put together as a defense of your opinion is vague references to how you've answered that before years ago somewhere else in this thread, which we all know isn't true.

If not, then please explain to the forum how your "source" says F-35 can't fire the same long range missiles as F-22, which has AIM-120C? Are you going to stand behind that too?

Easy peasy right?

(crickets)

 

[DrainBamage]

no allowance for tactics or advances by our enemy

To believe this you must also believe that pilots from USAF, USMC, Norway, Japan, Israel, etc. are all lying, the thousands of people who participate in Red Flag are lying, and your blog authors who have never stepped foot in a modern fighter jet are gospel.

That sound about right?

Hell we're still waiting for you to show us where you got the "official RCS" stats of F-35, something that everyone knows isn't something officially published anywhere but you somehow claim to have some mysterious source. Bloggers linking to other bloggers who link to other bloggers in some big circle jerk is not an official source by the way.

(crickets)

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Funny how Japan will probably only put them on their helo carriers and alrdy are working on a true fighter.......Slow and low...still equals dead in todays fighter combat arena......

ICU before UCMe means you are dead no matter how low and slow or high and fast you are.

That's a nice fairytale...sold by corp mouthpieces like you..........but f35 nowhere close to F22 in that regard...ergo you will be seen.....why do you think there is such a rush for high end fighters by US, Japan and others lately.....methinks the truth is ugly in regard to the slowboat you try so hard to sell

15 to 1 record. Not a bad record. Meanwhile, against the same ground installation, the A-10, F-16 and F-18 got slaughtered. Why? Because they are hard to see and hard to attack. Strealth is not invisible. It just makes it hard to see it. And the F-35 is hard to see. And it fires on the ground and air assets before it can be seen. Simple as that.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Amazing how quick you 2 appear after months of a latent thread to spread your HS

 

[Manonthestreet]

Funny how Japan will probably only put them on their helo carriers and alrdy are working on a true fighter.......Slow and low...still equals dead in todays fighter combat arena......

ICU before UCMe means you are dead no matter how low and slow or high and fast you are.

That's a nice fairytale...sold by corp mouthpieces like you..........but f35 nowhere close to F22 in that regard...ergo you will be seen.....why do you think there is such a rush for high end fighters by US, Japan and others lately.....methinks the truth is ugly in regard to the slowboat you try so hard to sell

15 to 1 record. Not a bad record. Meanwhile, against the same ground installation, the A-10, F-16 and F-18 got slaughtered. Why? Because they are hard to see and hard to attack. Strealth is not invisible. It just makes it hard to see it. And the F-35 is hard to see. And it fires on the ground and air assets before it can be seen. Simple as that.

So they say.....and we have no idea what the scenarios were

 

[DrainBamage]

Amazing how quick you 2 appear after months of a latent thread to spread your HS

Boy that was hard to call wasn't it?

When asked about an obvious error in your "source" you turn on that classic ManOnTheStreet blind/deaf routine. It went exactly as I said, and exactly like you've always done. Spouting bullshit but unable to explain glaring flaws in your argument.

So ManOnTheStreet, why do you think about your "source" (lol) saying the F-22, which currently mounts AIM-120C, uses a long range missile that F-35 doesn't use.

(crickets)

 

[DrainBamage]

So they say.....and we have no idea what the scenarios were

Yep all those pilots, support staff, and analysts running the exercise for years are either lying or don't know what they're doing when they set up exercises to challenge aircraft.

Meanwhile, Manonthestreet will instead double down on bloggers who haven't even seen an F-35 up close. Chanting indeed.

I think we should use the name crickets to refer to Manonthestreet.

 

[Manonthestreet]

I never read any of your posts.....tired of your you know more than anybody in the world routine.....all those linked stories,,,,,just all idiots......LLMMMAAOOO

 

[DrainBamage]

I never read any of your posts.....tired of your you know more than anybody in the world routine.....all those linked stories,,,,,just all idiots......LLMMMAAOOO

An interesting (and feeble) way to maintain your crickets personae. Manonthestreet, the poster who can spam links but lacks the intellectual depth to actually discuss or defend any points brought forward. He doesn't read the posts, yet he quotes them to respond. Clearly you read them, but know you cannot support your bullshit regurgitations so you ignore everything inconvenient to your child like view of the world.

Then the "LLMMMAAOOO" that one would expect from an 8th grader in 2006. Did you type that a lot in your Myspace comments?

So Manonthestreet, why are you posting articles that say F-35 doesn't have the long range missile that F-22 does?

(crickets = Manonthestreet)

We laugh at you.

 

[DrainBamage]

Why the F-35 Isn’t Good Enough for Japan
Tokyo looks to American and indigenous alternatives as a result of the joint strike fighter’s shortcomings.

That "article" is so funny in that every time you look another glaringly asinine mistake pops up.

" lacks the Raptor’s advanced long ranged air-to-air missiles"
F-22 has AIM-120C, what does this author think F-35 has?

"The F-35 has less than half the range of the larger F-22"
F-35 has a greater combat radius than F-22.

"the [Mitsubishi Shinshin X2] featured potent active electronically scanned array (AESA) radars, fly by wire fire control systems, and several other advanced features"
We're really calling fly by wire control advanced? F-16 had it in the 1970s.


No wonder ManOnTheStreet only posts and doesn't respond, and I think the sources like this he takes for gospel explain why he's come off as so fucking stupid on this topic.

 

[DrainBamage]

Official combat debut, only six months after Israel declared IOC.

The F-35 just made its combat debut

Lockheed Martin’s F-35 has seen combat for the first time. The Israel Defense Forces announced on its Twitter account that the Israeli version of the aircraft, using its “Adir” moniker was used in operational missions. “The Adir planes are already operational and flying in operational missions,” the tweet said, quoting Israel Air Force head Maj. Gen. Amikam Norkin. “We are the first in the world to use the F-35 in operational activity.” The Israeli Air Force used the F-35 in two recent strikes in Syria, Norkin said, according to the news outlet Haaretz.

The fifth-generation fighter jet has been lauded as a “game-changer” by the Israeli military, not only for its offensive and stealth capabilities, but for its ability to connect its systems with other aircraft and form an information-sharing network.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Official combat debut, only six months after Israel declared IOC.

The F-35 just made its combat debut

Lockheed Martin’s F-35 has seen combat for the first time. The Israel Defense Forces announced on its Twitter account that the Israeli version of the aircraft, using its “Adir” moniker was used in operational missions. “The Adir planes are already operational and flying in operational missions,” the tweet said, quoting Israel Air Force head Maj. Gen. Amikam Norkin. “We are the first in the world to use the F-35 in operational activity.” The Israeli Air Force used the F-35 in two recent strikes in Syria, Norkin said, according to the news outlet Haaretz.

The fifth-generation fighter jet has been lauded as a “game-changer” by the Israeli military, not only for its offensive and stealth capabilities, but for its ability to connect its systems with other aircraft and form an information-sharing network.

After Putin and the Leader of Israel met, the Russians decided not to sell the Syrians nor the Iranians the S-300 or the S-400 system. The S-200 and older systems don't have a clue that the F-35 is in the area. And it's doubtful if the S-300 would have either at a long range. Truth be told, had Russia sold the newer systems to Syria and Iran and Israel knocked them out wholesale, it would have hurt Russian Arms Sales dramatically. It may not have been by the kindness of Putins heart at all.

 

[Manonthestreet]

WASHINGTON (Tribune News Service) — The Navy’s newest fighter jet, the stealthy F-35C, may not have the range it needs to strike enemy targets, the House Armed Services Committee said in a new report, raising troubling questions about whether the multibillion-dollar program is already outpaced by threats.

And critics say the Navy fighter — part of the Joint Strike Fighter initiative, the most expensive weapons program in history — may actually have been out of date years ago.
Navy’s top-dollar stealth fighter may not go the distance

 

[Daryl Hunt]

WASHINGTON (Tribune News Service) — The Navy’s newest fighter jet, the stealthy F-35C, may not have the range it needs to strike enemy targets, the House Armed Services Committee said in a new report, raising troubling questions about whether the multibillion-dollar program is already outpaced by threats.

And critics say the Navy fighter — part of the Joint Strike Fighter initiative, the most expensive weapons program in history — may actually have been out of date years ago.
Navy’s top-dollar stealth fighter may not go the distance

You never fail to amaze me. it's not the F-35C that is the problem. It's the fact that the Navy stripped all it's Attack birds from it's inventory like the A-6 and A-7 along with the A-5 that had the range. And by giving up the F-14D that also had the range. The introduction of the new anti-ship weapons of Russia and China means that the Navy needs to reintroduce long range fighters or attack back into their inventory fast. Or they need to develop conformal fuel tanks for the F-35Cs and the F-18Es to do the job. The F-35C is a replacement for the F-18 and was never intended to replace the birds that the navy got rid of decades ago. Now, it's time to replace the birds that left the hole in the defenses. I suspect something like an A-12 light might be in order at this point.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Attack craft are never coming back.....Navy chose poorly. F14 Super could have been used as every bit as effective attack as F18....with much longer legs.....

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Attack craft are never coming back.....Navy chose poorly. F14 Super could have been used as every bit as effective attack as F18....with much longer legs.....

Agreed. But they cut the procurement funds. You could buy 3 F-18s for what one F-14D cost. There just wansn't enough money to have both or enough F-14Ds to do the job. And the F-14 is a really big bird. Where you could park one F-14, you can park 2 F-18s. On a carrier, space is a premium. While I disagree with their decision, I can understand their logic at the time. Today, that logic is biting us in the ass. The A-12 was supposed to fill that role. But even the A-12 only had an 800 mile range which would not have been enough. Any fighter would have to have an excess of 1000 mile radius to counter the antiship weapons of the Russian and Chinese today. Pretty much, the Navy is going to have to be dependent on the Air Force in stopping these threats.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Attack craft are never coming back.....Navy chose poorly. F14 Super could have been used as every bit as effective attack as F18....with much longer legs.....

Agreed. But they cut the procurement funds. You could buy 3 F-18s for what one F-14D cost. There just wansn't enough money to have both or enough F-14Ds to do the job. And the F-14 is a really big bird. Where you could park one F-14, you can park 2 F-18s. On a carrier, space is a premium. While I disagree with their decision, I can understand their logic at the time. Today, that logic is biting us in the ass. The A-12 was supposed to fill that role. But even the A-12 only had an 800 mile range which would not have been enough. Any fighter would have to have an excess of 1000 mile radius to counter the antiship weapons of the Russian and Chinese today. Pretty much, the Navy is going to have to be dependent on the Air Force in stopping these threats.

No you couldn't,,,,dont lie......Navy cant count on Airforce......even if they brought attack craft back they have to be escorted and again your range limitation ends your F35 mission short.......how does it feel to have been a useful idiot