Extreme weather, 2011

[bripat9643]

God almighty, are you really that stupid, Pattycake? The data is sent down by satellite and made into pictures by a computer. Then the pictures are assemble and ran like a movie film. Yes, it is computer generated, just as the words in this post are computer generated.

The "made into pictures by a computer" is where the potential for bullshit enters the picture. Anything can be done with computer algorithms. We already know how the Hadley CRU used computer algorithms to manipulate their data.

See, I can use a computer to generate the truth or lies they way you do.

So what you are stating is that the scientists that interpret the data from the satellites, US, Chinese, EU, Russian, and Japanese, are all in a conspiracy to lie to us.

There are multiple satellites from multiple nations observing the shrinking ice. Either you posit an international conspiracy among scientists, or you admit that you are an idiot. Of course the former equals the latter, and we know what you are from your unsupported posts.

Watch what happens this year. Two La Nina winters in a row, the cap should grow this year. But it will not.

Turds like you like to paint criticism of the warmist cult as accusing them of a "conspiracy." oooooh! It's no more a conspiracy than UFO sightings are a conspiracy. It's a cult. Scientists see what they want to see when their self interest is at stake, and all the warmist cult members sucking on the government tit have a stake in AGW being true.

That being said, only one team of scientists used a computer to create the images you posted. They can make the computer say whatever they want it to say, just as Michael man can take data from numerous sources, run it through a computer program, and produce a hockey stick. The fact that random noise fed through the same program also produces a hockey stick shouldn't bother anyone, should it?

 

[Old Rocks]

OK. The image did not copy, however, the real graph is far differant than the bullshit put up by Watt.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.area.arctic.png

 

[Old Rocks]

The "made into pictures by a computer" is where the potential for bullshit enters the picture. Anything can be done with computer algorithms. We already know how the Hadley CRU used computer algorithms to manipulate their data.

See, I can use a computer to generate the truth or lies they way you do.

So what you are stating is that the scientists that interpret the data from the satellites, US, Chinese, EU, Russian, and Japanese, are all in a conspiracy to lie to us.

There are multiple satellites from multiple nations observing the shrinking ice. Either you posit an international conspiracy among scientists, or you admit that you are an idiot. Of course the former equals the latter, and we know what you are from your unsupported posts.

Watch what happens this year. Two La Nina winters in a row, the cap should grow this year. But it will not.

Turds like you like to paint criticism of the warmist cult as accusing them of a "conspiracy." oooooh! It's no more a conspiracy than UFO sightings are a conspiracy. It's a cult. Scientists see what they want to see when their self interest is at stake, and all the warmist cult members sucking on the government tit have a stake in AGW being true.

That being said, only one team of scientists used a computer to create the images you posted. They can make the computer say whatever they want it to say, just as Michael man can take data from numerous sources, run it through a computer program, and produce a hockey stick. The fact that random noise fed through the same program also produces a hockey stick shouldn't bother anyone, should it?

So, dumb fuck, the only thing you have going for you is yap-yap lying with nothing to back it up at all. Another dumb tin foil hat boob.

 

[Old Rocks]

And we were discussing the lows, dumb fuck.

 

[del]

So what you are stating is that the scientists that interpret the data from the satellites, US, Chinese, EU, Russian, and Japanese, are all in a conspiracy to lie to us.

There are multiple satellites from multiple nations observing the shrinking ice. Either you posit an international conspiracy among scientists, or you admit that you are an idiot. Of course the former equals the latter, and we know what you are from your unsupported posts.

Watch what happens this year. Two La Nina winters in a row, the cap should grow this year. But it will not.

Turds like you like to paint criticism of the warmist cult as accusing them of a "conspiracy." oooooh! It's no more a conspiracy than UFO sightings are a conspiracy. It's a cult. Scientists see what they want to see when their self interest is at stake, and all the warmist cult members sucking on the government tit have a stake in AGW being true.

That being said, only one team of scientists used a computer to create the images you posted. They can make the computer say whatever they want it to say, just as Michael man can take data from numerous sources, run it through a computer program, and produce a hockey stick. The fact that random noise fed through the same program also produces a hockey stick shouldn't bother anyone, should it?

So, dumb fuck, the only thing you have going for you is yap-yap lying with nothing to back it up at all. Another dumb tin foil hat boob.

try not to get irony all over the other posts, old man

thanks

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Never too late to move to North Korea OR

 

[bripat9643]

So, dumb fuck, the only thing you have going for you is yap-yap lying with nothing to back it up at all. Another dumb tin foil hat boob.

You posted computer generated cartoons. Then you accuse me of having nothing.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So now Manmade Global Warming is known as "Extreme Weather"? What happened to Climate Disruption? or Climate Change?

 

[bripat9643]

And we were discussing the lows, dumb fuck.

You are. I'm not.

Why should the lows be more important than the highs?

 

[Old Rocks]

Know what the differance is between surface cover and volume? When the low occurs, 90% of the sunlight is reflected by remaining ice. The open ocean absorbs 90% of the sunlight. So it is a feedback where more open water means warmer water. Which means more ice melted, and a warmer ocean warming the clathrates to the point they start emitting to the atmosphere.

 

[asterism]

Some Of The Disasters Of 2011 - YouTube

Earthquakes are now extreme weather?

OR do you think these earthquakes are caused by man?

 

[bripat9643]

Know what the differance is between surface cover and volume? When the low occurs, 90% of the sunlight is reflected by remaining ice. The open ocean absorbs 90% of the sunlight. So it is a feedback where more open water means warmer water. Which means more ice melted, and a warmer ocean warming the clathrates to the point they start emitting to the atmosphere.

The ocean at the bottom is 32 degrees. The same temperature it always is. First you blamed lower pressure for the dissolution of the clathrates. Now you're trying to blame warmer water. Both claims are implausible.

 

[Old Rocks]

Some Of The Disasters Of 2011 - YouTube

Earthquakes are now extreme weather?

OR do you think these earthquakes are caused by man?

That was a compodium of disasters for 2011. That would not be complete without including earthquakes. No, that is not caused by weather, although weather can certainly render the cleanup afterwards miserable.

The number and intensity of the weather events is unmatched in our written history. And it is a worldwide phenomonem.

 

[Old Rocks]

Know what the differance is between surface cover and volume? When the low occurs, 90% of the sunlight is reflected by remaining ice. The open ocean absorbs 90% of the sunlight. So it is a feedback where more open water means warmer water. Which means more ice melted, and a warmer ocean warming the clathrates to the point they start emitting to the atmosphere.

The ocean at the bottom is 32 degrees. The same temperature it always is. First you blamed lower pressure for the dissolution of the clathrates. Now you're trying to blame warmer water. Both claims are implausible.

Dumb Fuck, show me a scientific paper that states that? You cannot because there is none. In fact, there are quite a number expressing alarm at the increase in temperatures in the Arctic Ocean on all the continental shelves, at all depths on those shelves.

 

[bripat9643]

Know what the differance is between surface cover and volume? When the low occurs, 90% of the sunlight is reflected by remaining ice. The open ocean absorbs 90% of the sunlight. So it is a feedback where more open water means warmer water. Which means more ice melted, and a warmer ocean warming the clathrates to the point they start emitting to the atmosphere.

The ocean at the bottom is 32 degrees. The same temperature it always is. First you blamed lower pressure for the dissolution of the clathrates. Now you're trying to blame warmer water. Both claims are implausible.

Dumb Fuck, show me a scientific paper that states that? You cannot because there is none. In fact, there are quite a number expressing alarm at the increase in temperatures in the Arctic Ocean on all the continental shelves, at all depths on those shelves.

Yep, there is no limit to the number of papers by warmist cult members expressing alarm about one thing or another. Expressing alarm is how "scientists" get their research funded. Publishing alarming papers is a growth industry.

Here's some info about water temperature in the ocean:

There are clathrates at the bottom of every ocean in the world, including the Caribbean. Are you trying to tell us the bottom of the arctic ocean is warmer than the bottom of the Caribbean?

http://www.windows2universe.org/earth/Water/temp.html

90 % of the total volume of ocean is found below the thermocline in the deep ocean. The deep ocean is not well mixed. The deep ocean is made up of horizontal layers of equal density. Much of this deep ocean water is between 0-3 degrees Celsius (32-37.5 degrees Fahrenheit)! It's really, really cold down there!

 

[Old Rocks]

Dumb Fuck, yes, in some cases. After all, the depth of the area where the clathrates are outgassing, the continental shelves, is seldom much more than 150 meters deep.

Unstable Siberian Arctic Shelf Leaking Greenhouse Gas Methane

The East Siberian Arctic Shelf is a methane-rich area that encompasses more than two million square kilometers of seafloor in the Arctic Ocean. The shelf is shallow, 50 meters (164 feet) or less in depth, which means it has been alternately submerged or terrestrial, depending on sea levels.
During the Earth's coldest periods, it is a frozen arctic coastal plain, and does not release methane. As the Earth warms and sea level rises, it is inundated with seawater, which is 12-15 degrees warmer than the average air temperature.

"Our concern is that the subsea permafrost has been showing signs of destabilization already," she said. "If it further destabilizes, the methane emissions may not be teragrams, it would be significantly larger

 

[IanC]

the weather now is not more extreme than in the past. it is probably more stable than most times but that is just a fluke. it is only because TV shows us what is happening everywhere in the world, over and over again, that we think weather and disasters are more common.

 

[Old Rocks]

Both Swiss Re and Munich Re state that we are getting more storms, and more violent storms.

On the road from Copenhagen to Cancun | Swiss Re - Leading Global Reinsurer

On the road from Copenhagen to CancunOur head of Sustainability & Emerging Risk Management, David Bresch, explains how we came to be part of the Swiss delegation in Copenhagen and why the insurance industry is focusing on the issue of climate adaptation.
.Are you comfortable with the deal made?We have known for some time that the Copenhagen process would not leave us with a legally binding deal and that negotiations would more than likely flow over well into 2010. Still, the final deal was disappointing. However, it is easy to forget that this is the first time the global community, including 193 countries, have sat down and discussed a common solution to this challenge. The majority confirmed that the discussion is no longer about whether climate change is occurring and more about what can be done about. This gives me confidence we are on the right path. The question just remains how quickly we can travel along it.
Why did the Swiss government invite Swiss Re to be part of their delegation?It was a combination of our deep experience in working with natural catastrophes and our particular focus on climate adaptation and the challenge of how societies can respond to climate change. Of course, the focus at Copenhagen has been on reducing global emissions, but increasingly there is also an awareness that societies must learn to respond over the coming decades to global warming and its effects on weather patterns. As a reinsurer, Swiss Re brings specific skills such as catastrophe risk modelling and experience of using holistic risk management in highly uncertain situations.
Why is Swiss Re focusing on climate adaptation?This is where we can bring our modelling, risk pricing and structuring skills to best use. Our recent publication Shaping climate resilient development showed how an integrated risk management approach can support local decision makers in assessing the vulnerability of their societies to extreme weather events and to deciding what measures can prevent, reduce or transfer the risks faced. In the case of the most severe and less frequent events, it can make sense for a community to insure itself rather than invest heavily in infrastructure, such as a dam or sea wall. This is something we understand very well from our core business.
What have you personally taken from your time at Copenhagen?The experience has been unique. It is easy to underestimate the level of passion and commitment that was on show everywhere in Copenhagen. So many people really want this deal to work. At the same time the scale and complexity of the negotiations makes the process very long and laborious and you start to long for the efficiency of a business meeting with a straightforward agenda and decision-making powers. On behalf of Swiss Re, I think it has been important to see how relevant our risk expertise is, emphasising that we will have a role to play in both tacking climate adaptation and shifting to a low carbon economy.

Note that they are no longer speaking of prevention, but now of adaptation. We are already seeing the consequences of a warming world, the last two years have clearly shown that, a five fold increase in storm damage from only 40 years ago, that is in real money terms.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

the weather now is not more extreme than in the past. it is probably more stable than most times but that is just a fluke. it is only because TV shows us what is happening everywhere in the world, over and over again, that we think weather and disasters are more common.

Then there's this:

"But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy" -- IPCC

Read more: UN IPCC Official Admits 'We Redistribute World's Wealth By Climate Policy' | NewsBusters.org

"BBC: Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming?

Phil Jones: Yes..."

 

[Samson]

the weather now is not more extreme than in the past. it is probably more stable than most times but that is just a fluke. it is only because TV shows us what is happening everywhere in the world, over and over again, that we think weather and disasters are more common.

Then there's this:

"But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy" -- IPCC

Interesting coincidence: Global Warming became an issue after the fall of the Soviet Union.