Exposing Another Conservative Lie

[turtledude]

I don't think so. I think Detroit is Michigan's embarrassment and Michigan's fault and let's not kid ourselves Michigan is run by white people. American ghettos are America's embarrassment around the world. we say we're great and other countries point to our ghettos and say your not so great. but the Conservatives love the cheap labor

are you saying blacks are not competent enough to be incompetent when it comes to running a city? the soft racism of low expectations? its the white "adults" who are to blame, not the black "children"?

 

[jillian]

This board is filled with threads from conservatives about guns. They claim that having more guns makes people more safe. That "gun free zones" or places with proper regulation of guns are more dangerous and have more people hurt by guns.

Here's a list of the 10 states with the most gun violence. While the conservatives lie the facts speak for themselves.

Notice all but one state is a red state. New Mexico is a purple state. I don't know what the gun laws are in New Mexico but we all know that red states have loosened their laws on guns which has put more guns in the hands of people who shouldn't have them.


10 States With the Most Gun Violence - 24/7 Wall St.

they get upset when you point out that most mass shootings are committed by white christian men with legal guns.

Like Lanza who killed his mother to get her registered guns
or Klebold and Harris who had someone engage in a felony straw purchase?
or the killer at VT-oh wait he was Asian
or the DC sniper-nope he was black

we don't get upset with you morons because know crime control has nothing to do with your rants

all legal guns idiot. but we understand that the rabid wacky rightwingnut NRA brainwashed freaks don't have a clue.

and as was pointed out, the most gun violence is in red states, along with poverty, low education and single white mothers on welfare.

 

[rightwinger]

And as tired as it gets...Switzerland has the most guns in Europe...and some of the lowest violence rates....guns are not the issue....the culture is....most of Europe is homogeneous...that is changing and the violence levels are changing as well....

Safest Place On Earth Is Country With Most Guns Per Person

Switzerland is Europe's gun capital. It has more firepower per person than any other country in the world yet it is said to be one of the safest places on Earth.

Despite the prevalence of lethal hardware, the country has virtually no violent crime, there are only minimal controls at public buildings, and politicians rarely have police protection, although yesterday's events are bound to bring about a review of that situation.

Year after year, Switzerland has one of the world's lowest murder rates while sending machine guns to every member of their citizen army.

All males between 20 and 42 are required to keep rifles and pistols at home for the purposes of national defence and they are not kept in safes or with trigger locks. They are kept at the ready.
It was the Swiss passion for guns matched by their determination to keep their liberty that kept the Nazi war machine at bay.

You still trying that Switzerland myth even though you have been repeatedly corrected
Switzerland has a whole lot of guns. But like Barney Fife, they need to go to the government for bullets and account for all of them

I guess you are that stupid....you really believe if a criminal wanted bullets for his select fire, fully automatic weapon or government issued pistol...they couldn't get them.....considering three terrorists in France, 2 on a government terrorist watch list and on a convicted criminal easily got not only bullets, but fully automatic rifles, grenades, pistols and a rocket propelled grenade...easily....crossing an international border into Belgium to do it...

And you think gettin bullets would be hard in a country full of military hardware....you really are dumb....

Again you are exchanging fantasy for reality. Switzerland has very strict gun rules .......are you willing to adopt the Swiss gun rules you admire so much.

That works for me! Make everyone do military service in order to have a firearm and hold them 100% accountable for their weapons at all times.

Go to the government for your bullets, shoot at ranges, get a license
Seems like a good plan

 

[rightwinger]

Top 30 Highest Murder Rate Cities in the U.S. 2015 - NeighborhoodScout

Rank City
30 Baton Rouge, LA
29 Youngstown, OH
28 San Bernardino, CA
27 Oakland, CA
26 Barberton, OH
25 Poughkeepsie, NY
24 Cincinnati, OH
23 Petersburg, VA
22 Wilmington, DE
21 York, PA
20 East Palo Alto, CA
19 Jackson, MS
18 Wilkes-Barre, PA
17 Birmingham, AL
16 East Point, GA
15 East Chicago, IN
14 Compton, CA
13 Baltimore, MD
12 St. Louis, MO
11 Harvey, IL
10 Newark, NJ
9 New Orleans, LA
8 Trenton, NJ
7 Detroit, MI
6 Flint, MI
5 Saginaw, MI
4 Chester, PA
3 Gary, IN
2 Camden, NJ
1 East St. Louis, IL

Lot of guns.....lot of dead people

Lots of democrat run areas-lots of criminals. democrats pander to criminals and criminals vote for Democrats. want safer cities-get rid of Democrat leadership

Stop the unrestricted influx of guns into cities

 

[2aguy]

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are you kidding? Rick Snyder government governor of Michigan Republican has cut police funding in Detroit and so crime has gone up because of it. maybe we should arm all of the black people in Detroit?

Detroit is the epitome of a Democrat run cesspool with all sorts of violent crimes

I don't think so. I think Detroit is Michigan's embarrassment and Michigan's fault and let's not kid ourselves Michigan is run by white people. American ghettos are America's embarrassment around the world. we say we're great and other countries point to our ghettos and say your not so great. but the Conservatives love the cheap labor

No....the world points out to our poor and say..."Your poor have T.V.s....and cars....and air conditioning...our poor live in mud huts and use dung for heat....."

 

[2aguy]

in tru free market unregulated capitalism you need lots and lots of poor people. it keeps wages down

Moron.....that isn't a part of capitialism...that is marxist propaganda as they congratulate themselves as they fill the mass graves with class enemies.......

 

[sealybobo]

[
are you kidding? Rick Snyder government governor of Michigan Republican has cut police funding in Detroit and so crime has gone up because of it. maybe we should arm all of the black people in Detroit?

Detroit is the epitome of a Democrat run cesspool with all sorts of violent crimes

I don't think so. I think Detroit is Michigan's embarrassment and Michigan's fault and let's not kid ourselves Michigan is run by white people. American ghettos are America's embarrassment around the world. we say we're great and other countries point to our ghettos and say your not so great. but the Conservatives love the cheap labor

No....the world points out to our poor and say..."Your poor have T.V.s....and cars....and air conditioning...our poor live in mud huts and use dung for heat....."

you like to compare us to the world's worst countries how about Germany France Australia Switzerland? Those countries look at us and laugh

 

[2aguy]

And as tired as it gets...Switzerland has the most guns in Europe...and some of the lowest violence rates....guns are not the issue....the culture is....most of Europe is homogeneous...that is changing and the violence levels are changing as well....

Safest Place On Earth Is Country With Most Guns Per Person

Switzerland is Europe's gun capital. It has more firepower per person than any other country in the world yet it is said to be one of the safest places on Earth.

Despite the prevalence of lethal hardware, the country has virtually no violent crime, there are only minimal controls at public buildings, and politicians rarely have police protection, although yesterday's events are bound to bring about a review of that situation.

Year after year, Switzerland has one of the world's lowest murder rates while sending machine guns to every member of their citizen army.

All males between 20 and 42 are required to keep rifles and pistols at home for the purposes of national defence and they are not kept in safes or with trigger locks. They are kept at the ready.
It was the Swiss passion for guns matched by their determination to keep their liberty that kept the Nazi war machine at bay.

You still trying that Switzerland myth even though you have been repeatedly corrected
Switzerland has a whole lot of guns. But like Barney Fife, they need to go to the government for bullets and account for all of them

I guess you are that stupid....you really believe if a criminal wanted bullets for his select fire, fully automatic weapon or government issued pistol...they couldn't get them.....considering three terrorists in France, 2 on a government terrorist watch list and on a convicted criminal easily got not only bullets, but fully automatic rifles, grenades, pistols and a rocket propelled grenade...easily....crossing an international border into Belgium to do it...

And you think gettin bullets would be hard in a country full of military hardware....you really are dumb....

Again you are exchanging fantasy for reality. Switzerland has very strict gun rules .......are you willing to adopt the Swiss gun rules you admire so much.

That works for me! Make everyone do military service in order to have a firearm and hold them 100% accountable for their weapons at all times.

Go to the government for your bullets, shoot at ranges, get a license
Seems like a good plan

Yeah...the criminals in Europe don't bother with that crap....they just by their guns more quickly in Belgian train stations......and shoot up cartoonists or the neighborhoods in Marseilles.......with illegal fully automatic weapons.....

 

[M14 Shooter]

all legal guns idiot....

One was stolen.
One was obtained via straw purchase
Thus illegal.

You're probably too high from sniffing your most popular shoeshine polish to understand that not only are you wrong, but also your supremely ironic use of the term "idiot"

and as was pointed out, the most gun violence is in red states, along with poverty, low education and single white mothers on welfare.

Says the angry white girl that dropped out of a backwater Mississippi middle school because she was pregnant.

 

[2aguy]

[
are you kidding? Rick Snyder government governor of Michigan Republican has cut police funding in Detroit and so crime has gone up because of it. maybe we should arm all of the black people in Detroit?

Detroit is the epitome of a Democrat run cesspool with all sorts of violent crimes

I don't think so. I think Detroit is Michigan's embarrassment and Michigan's fault and let's not kid ourselves Michigan is run by white people. American ghettos are America's embarrassment around the world. we say we're great and other countries point to our ghettos and say your not so great. but the Conservatives love the cheap labor

No....the world points out to our poor and say..."Your poor have T.V.s....and cars....and air conditioning...our poor live in mud huts and use dung for heat....."

you like to compare us to the world's worst countries how about Germany France Australia Switzerland? Those countries look at us and laugh

Yeah...they laugh at us as we provide their security with our Military as they spend as much as they want on their social programs....now that obama is wrecking the U.S. and we will no longer be able to afford to protect the pampered socialist nations of Europe...they will actually have to build their own militaries....or learn to speak Russian.....

Let's see how wonderful these European countries are when they actually have to support a viable military, and once all the muslim immigrants start declaring entire countries "no go' zones.....

 

[Auld Phart]

Do that once or twice a year.

This board is filled with threads from conservatives about guns. They claim that having more guns makes people more safe. That "gun free zones" or places with proper regulation of guns are more dangerous and have more people hurt by guns.

Here's a list of the 10 states with the most gun violence. While the conservatives lie the facts speak for themselves.

Notice all but one state is a red state. New Mexico is a purple state. I don't know what the gun laws are in New Mexico but we all know that red states have loosened their laws on guns which has put more guns in the hands of people who shouldn't have them.


10 States With the Most Gun Violence - 24/7 Wall St.

they get upset when you point out that most mass shootings are committed by white christian men with legal guns.

Like Lanza who killed his mother to get her registered guns
or Klebold and Harris who had someone engage in a felony straw purchase?
or the killer at VT-oh wait he was Asian
or the DC sniper-nope he was black

we don't get upset with you morons because know crime control has nothing to do with your rants

all legal guns idiot. but we understand that the rabid wacky rightwingnut NRA brainwashed freaks don't have a clue.

and as was pointed out, the most gun violence is in red states, along with poverty, low education and single white mothers on welfare.

Blue cities in red states, as was also shown.

 

[sealybobo]

You still trying that Switzerland myth even though you have been repeatedly corrected
Switzerland has a whole lot of guns. But like Barney Fife, they need to go to the government for bullets and account for all of them

I guess you are that stupid....you really believe if a criminal wanted bullets for his select fire, fully automatic weapon or government issued pistol...they couldn't get them.....considering three terrorists in France, 2 on a government terrorist watch list and on a convicted criminal easily got not only bullets, but fully automatic rifles, grenades, pistols and a rocket propelled grenade...easily....crossing an international border into Belgium to do it...

And you think gettin bullets would be hard in a country full of military hardware....you really are dumb....

Again you are exchanging fantasy for reality. Switzerland has very strict gun rules .......are you willing to adopt the Swiss gun rules you admire so much.

That works for me! Make everyone do military service in order to have a firearm and hold them 100% accountable for their weapons at all times.

Go to the government for your bullets, shoot at ranges, get a license
Seems like a good plan

Yeah...the criminals in Europe don't bother with that crap....they just by their guns more quickly in Belgian train stations......and shoot up cartoonists or the neighborhoods in Marseilles.......with illegal fully automatic weapons.....

shipped to them from some gun shows in the United States lol

 

[sealybobo]

[
are you kidding? Rick Snyder government governor of Michigan Republican has cut police funding in Detroit and so crime has gone up because of it. maybe we should arm all of the black people in Detroit?

Detroit is the epitome of a Democrat run cesspool with all sorts of violent crimes

I don't think so. I think Detroit is Michigan's embarrassment and Michigan's fault and let's not kid ourselves Michigan is run by white people. American ghettos are America's embarrassment around the world. we say we're great and other countries point to our ghettos and say your not so great. but the Conservatives love the cheap labor

No....the world points out to our poor and say..."Your poor have T.V.s....and cars....and air conditioning...our poor live in mud huts and use dung for heat....."

you like to compare us to the world's worst countries how about Germany France Australia Switzerland? Those countries look at us and laugh

Yeah...they laugh at us as we provide their security with our Military as they spend as much as they want on their social programs....now that obama is wrecking the U.S. and we will no longer be able to afford to protect the pampered socialist nations of Europe...they will actually have to build their own militaries....or learn to speak Russian.....

Let's see how wonderful these European countries are when they actually have to support a viable military, and once all the muslim immigrants start declaring entire countries "no go' zones.....

boy I really can't argue with you there

 

[2aguy]

I guess you are that stupid....you really believe if a criminal wanted bullets for his select fire, fully automatic weapon or government issued pistol...they couldn't get them.....considering three terrorists in France, 2 on a government terrorist watch list and on a convicted criminal easily got not only bullets, but fully automatic rifles, grenades, pistols and a rocket propelled grenade...easily....crossing an international border into Belgium to do it...

And you think gettin bullets would be hard in a country full of military hardware....you really are dumb....

Again you are exchanging fantasy for reality. Switzerland has very strict gun rules .......are you willing to adopt the Swiss gun rules you admire so much.

That works for me! Make everyone do military service in order to have a firearm and hold them 100% accountable for their weapons at all times.

Go to the government for your bullets, shoot at ranges, get a license
Seems like a good plan

Yeah...the criminals in Europe don't bother with that crap....they just by their guns more quickly in Belgian train stations......and shoot up cartoonists or the neighborhoods in Marseilles.......with illegal fully automatic weapons.....

shipped to them from some gun shows in the United States lol

No....the fully automatic weapons come from Europe and are now coming from Africa............they don't need our guns...they can get fully automatic weapons easily in their own countries...........

 

[Auld Phart]

I guess you are that stupid....you really believe if a criminal wanted bullets for his select fire, fully automatic weapon or government issued pistol...they couldn't get them.....considering three terrorists in France, 2 on a government terrorist watch list and on a convicted criminal easily got not only bullets, but fully automatic rifles, grenades, pistols and a rocket propelled grenade...easily....crossing an international border into Belgium to do it...

And you think gettin bullets would be hard in a country full of military hardware....you really are dumb....

Again you are exchanging fantasy for reality. Switzerland has very strict gun rules .......are you willing to adopt the Swiss gun rules you admire so much.

That works for me! Make everyone do military service in order to have a firearm and hold them 100% accountable for their weapons at all times.

Go to the government for your bullets, shoot at ranges, get a license
Seems like a good plan

Yeah...the criminals in Europe don't bother with that crap....they just by their guns more quickly in Belgian train stations......and shoot up cartoonists or the neighborhoods in Marseilles.......with illegal fully automatic weapons.....

shipped to them from some gun shows in the United States lol

fully automatics at a gun show?

You really are uninformed, aren't you?

 

[gipper]

Top 30 Highest Murder Rate Cities in the U.S. 2015 - NeighborhoodScout

Rank City
30 Baton Rouge, LA
29 Youngstown, OH
28 San Bernardino, CA
27 Oakland, CA
26 Barberton, OH
25 Poughkeepsie, NY
24 Cincinnati, OH
23 Petersburg, VA
22 Wilmington, DE
21 York, PA
20 East Palo Alto, CA
19 Jackson, MS
18 Wilkes-Barre, PA
17 Birmingham, AL
16 East Point, GA
15 East Chicago, IN
14 Compton, CA
13 Baltimore, MD
12 St. Louis, MO
11 Harvey, IL
10 Newark, NJ
9 New Orleans, LA
8 Trenton, NJ
7 Detroit, MI
6 Flint, MI
5 Saginaw, MI
4 Chester, PA
3 Gary, IN
2 Camden, NJ
1 East St. Louis, IL

Lot of guns.....lot of dead people

Lots of democrat run areas-lots of criminals. democrats pander to criminals and criminals vote for Democrats. want safer cities-get rid of Democrat leadership

are you kidding? Rick Snyder government governor of Michigan Republican has cut police funding in Detroit and Theso crime has gone up because of it. maybe we should arm all of the black people in Detroit?

No need to arm them, they already are armed. They have to be armed, to survive in a city overwhelmed by crime.

Detroit has been politically controlled by the D party for over 50 years and most of the that time, by black Ds. They bear much of the responsibility for the cesspool it is today.

 

[gipper]

[
are you kidding? Rick Snyder government governor of Michigan Republican has cut police funding in Detroit and so crime has gone up because of it. maybe we should arm all of the black people in Detroit?

Detroit is the epitome of a Democrat run cesspool with all sorts of violent crimes

I don't think so. I think Detroit is Michigan's embarrassment and Michigan's fault and let's not kid ourselves Michigan is run by white people. American ghettos are America's embarrassment around the world. we say we're great and other countries point to our ghettos and say your not so great. but the Conservatives love the cheap labor

Detroit is an embarrassment to the entire nation, but neither political party has done much to fix it. This applies to nearly all our big cities with high black populations.

And cheap labor is not just a con thing. It is something both corrupt party's desire.

 

[Derideo_Te]

You still trying that Switzerland myth even though you have been repeatedly corrected
Switzerland has a whole lot of guns. But like Barney Fife, they need to go to the government for bullets and account for all of them

I guess you are that stupid....you really believe if a criminal wanted bullets for his select fire, fully automatic weapon or government issued pistol...they couldn't get them.....considering three terrorists in France, 2 on a government terrorist watch list and on a convicted criminal easily got not only bullets, but fully automatic rifles, grenades, pistols and a rocket propelled grenade...easily....crossing an international border into Belgium to do it...

And you think gettin bullets would be hard in a country full of military hardware....you really are dumb....

Again you are exchanging fantasy for reality. Switzerland has very strict gun rules .......are you willing to adopt the Swiss gun rules you admire so much.

That works for me! Make everyone do military service in order to have a firearm and hold them 100% accountable for their weapons at all times.

Go to the government for your bullets, shoot at ranges, get a license
Seems like a good plan

Yeah...the criminals in Europe don't bother with that crap....they just by their guns more quickly in Belgian train stations......and shoot up cartoonists or the neighborhoods in Marseilles.......with illegal fully automatic weapons.....

You know your position is pathetically weak when all you have are anecdotes.

 

[2aguy]

I guess you are that stupid....you really believe if a criminal wanted bullets for his select fire, fully automatic weapon or government issued pistol...they couldn't get them.....considering three terrorists in France, 2 on a government terrorist watch list and on a convicted criminal easily got not only bullets, but fully automatic rifles, grenades, pistols and a rocket propelled grenade...easily....crossing an international border into Belgium to do it...

And you think gettin bullets would be hard in a country full of military hardware....you really are dumb....

Again you are exchanging fantasy for reality. Switzerland has very strict gun rules .......are you willing to adopt the Swiss gun rules you admire so much.

That works for me! Make everyone do military service in order to have a firearm and hold them 100% accountable for their weapons at all times.

Go to the government for your bullets, shoot at ranges, get a license
Seems like a good plan

Yeah...the criminals in Europe don't bother with that crap....they just by their guns more quickly in Belgian train stations......and shoot up cartoonists or the neighborhoods in Marseilles.......with illegal fully automatic weapons.....

You know your position is pathetically weak when all you have are anecdotes.

Not anectdotes...from actual European police sources...

This story tracks gun smuggling in Europe.....lots of it....

European Police Face Being Outgunned by Jihadists WIth Assault Rifles

Despite the Paris attacks, it seems the weapons are still flowing freely through Europe. Brian Donald, chief of staff for Europol, which coordinates cross-border actions among police forces in the E.U.’s 28 countries, says there have been two “large seizures” of assault weapons in Europe during the past two weeks, but would not give details about where they were, since the investigations were still ongoing. In all, he says police had seized “several vanloads of 30 or 40 weapons at a time,” during the past few weeks, including “AK-47s, Scorpions, handguns and semiautomatic rifles.”

another story on ease terrorists get guns....

Getting a gun legally in Europe may be hard but terrorists have little trouble - The Washington Post

Here in Denmark, handguns and semiautomatic rifles are all but banned. Hunting rifles are legally available only to those with squeaky-clean backgrounds who have passed a rigorous exam covering everything from gun safety to the mating habits of Denmark’s wildlife.

“There’s a book about 1,000 pages thick,” said Tonni Rigby, one of only two licensed firearms dealers in Copenhagen. “You have to know all of it.”


But if you want an illicit assault rifle, such as the one used by a 22-year-old to rake a Copenhagen cafe with 28 bullets on Saturday, all it takes are a few connections and some cash.


“It’s very easy to get such a weapon,” said Hans Jorgen Bonnichsen, a former operations director for the Danish security service PET. “It’s not only a problem for Denmark. It’s a problem for all of Europe.”

 

[Derideo_Te]

Again you are exchanging fantasy for reality. Switzerland has very strict gun rules .......are you willing to adopt the Swiss gun rules you admire so much.

That works for me! Make everyone do military service in order to have a firearm and hold them 100% accountable for their weapons at all times.

Go to the government for your bullets, shoot at ranges, get a license
Seems like a good plan

Yeah...the criminals in Europe don't bother with that crap....they just by their guns more quickly in Belgian train stations......and shoot up cartoonists or the neighborhoods in Marseilles.......with illegal fully automatic weapons.....

You know your position is pathetically weak when all you have are anecdotes.

Not anectdotes...from actual European police sources...

This story tracks gun smuggling in Europe.....lots of it....

European Police Face Being Outgunned by Jihadists WIth Assault Rifles

Despite the Paris attacks, it seems the weapons are still flowing freely through Europe. Brian Donald, chief of staff for Europol, which coordinates cross-border actions among police forces in the E.U.’s 28 countries, says there have been two “large seizures” of assault weapons in Europe during the past two weeks, but would not give details about where they were, since the investigations were still ongoing. In all, he says police had seized “several vanloads of 30 or 40 weapons at a time,” during the past few weeks, including “AK-47s, Scorpions, handguns and semiautomatic rifles.”

another story on ease terrorists get guns....

Getting a gun legally in Europe may be hard but terrorists have little trouble - The Washington Post

Here in Denmark, handguns and semiautomatic rifles are all but banned. Hunting rifles are legally available only to those with squeaky-clean backgrounds who have passed a rigorous exam covering everything from gun safety to the mating habits of Denmark’s wildlife.

“There’s a book about 1,000 pages thick,” said Tonni Rigby, one of only two licensed firearms dealers in Copenhagen. “You have to know all of it.”


But if you want an illicit assault rifle, such as the one used by a 22-year-old to rake a Copenhagen cafe with 28 bullets on Saturday, all it takes are a few connections and some cash.


“It’s very easy to get such a weapon,” said Hans Jorgen Bonnichsen, a former operations director for the Danish security service PET. “It’s not only a problem for Denmark. It’s a problem for all of Europe.”

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