Exposing Another Conservative Lie

[2aguy]

I stated....gun murder for 2013 was 8,454...those were on purpose and breaking the law to do it....it was a criminal act.....

You want to add in suicide because if you don't your number is really, really low.....the problem you have is that suicide is an action by an individual not caused by a gun...that is why in countries without guns, they can still commit suicide at twice our rate and even with our gun ownership we aren't even in the top 10 for suicide.....so adding suicide into the count is lying.....which you gun grabbers have to do since the truth and reality make you wrong on gun issues......

8454 murders is "really, really low"?

Most nations would be in shock if they had that many murders

We don't have the highest murder rate either....other countries with strict gun control do.....

We aren't even in the top 10......with all of our guns....

These 10 Countries Have The World s Highest Murder Rates

Why do you compare the USA to the 3rd world nations when it comes to murder rates?

Why not compare it to the EU since that is about the same size as the USA in population?

I am simply pointing out that those countries mentioned...all have strict gun control laws....and according to you guys....merely having gun control laws and keeping civilians from having guns lowers the gun murder rate...and that isn't true......culture...not guns...are the issue....

Comparing apples to oranges is meaningless.

I notice you aren't even trying to compare the USA to the EU. Why not given that they are so similar in so many aspects?

they aren't similar in important ways...particularly crime.....we have a higher crime rate overall...due to the gangs in our inner cities.....and our gangs are far more violent...

 

[2aguy]

And this is how easy it is to get fully automatic weapons in an EU country when you want one....it isn't that hard...and even with their extreme gun control.....it only took this police rookie 2 hours to get a fully automatic AK-47......

As Europe struggles to crack down on illegal weapons, some police recruits face a new training exercise: Go buy a Kalashnikov rifle. Donald says that in “a city in Europe,” which he would not name, “very young officers with no training or experience” were recently told to go find an assault weapon on the streets from an illegal arms dealer. “One came back two hours later with an AK-47,” Donald says. “He bought it for €1,000.”

So again....European criminals can get guns easily when they want or need them and none of the extreme gun laws in France, Belgium, Denmark or Sweden can stop them......like any gun control...the best way to control guns is to arrest and lock up the criminals who use them to hurt people.....since nothing else stops them....

They can get them? but for some reason they don't

Their gun crimes are infantessimal when compared to ours

The main point being they can get all the guns they want or need, when they want or need them....their culture keeps them from using them.....as I noted the cultural pacifism helps keep that down....they came through fuedalism, World War 1 and World War 2.....traumatic events for their cultures....

 

[2aguy]

And this is how easy it is to get fully automatic weapons in an EU country when you want one....it isn't that hard...and even with their extreme gun control.....it only took this police rookie 2 hours to get a fully automatic AK-47......

As Europe struggles to crack down on illegal weapons, some police recruits face a new training exercise: Go buy a Kalashnikov rifle. Donald says that in “a city in Europe,” which he would not name, “very young officers with no training or experience” were recently told to go find an assault weapon on the streets from an illegal arms dealer. “One came back two hours later with an AK-47,” Donald says. “He bought it for €1,000.”

So again....European criminals can get guns easily when they want or need them and none of the extreme gun laws in France, Belgium, Denmark or Sweden can stop them......like any gun control...the best way to control guns is to arrest and lock up the criminals who use them to hurt people.....since nothing else stops them....

And yet criminals in the EU nation don't need AK47's to commit crimes. Why is that?

Culture differences.....for example when the gun was introduced in Japan, the warrior class rejected them in favor of the sword....they were even more violent then than we were, since they were still in their fuedal period...but they clung to their shintoism and their swords...over guns.....

 

[2aguy]

And this is how easy it is to get fully automatic weapons in an EU country when you want one....it isn't that hard...and even with their extreme gun control.....it only took this police rookie 2 hours to get a fully automatic AK-47......

As Europe struggles to crack down on illegal weapons, some police recruits face a new training exercise: Go buy a Kalashnikov rifle. Donald says that in “a city in Europe,” which he would not name, “very young officers with no training or experience” were recently told to go find an assault weapon on the streets from an illegal arms dealer. “One came back two hours later with an AK-47,” Donald says. “He bought it for €1,000.”

So again....European criminals can get guns easily when they want or need them and none of the extreme gun laws in France, Belgium, Denmark or Sweden can stop them......like any gun control...the best way to control guns is to arrest and lock up the criminals who use them to hurt people.....since nothing else stops them....

They can get them? but for some reason they don't

Their gun crimes are infantessimal when compared to ours

But British violent crime is twice ours......I haven't looked up the violent crime levels in other countries...but most of those countries were peaceful and less violent long before our country had so many guns.....guns are not the factor...culture is....

 

[2aguy]

And with waves of muslim immigrants, with an entirely different culture from the EU natives....they're bringing violence to formerly peaceful countries in Europe.....

 

[2aguy]

For example...this look at crime in France...does anyone in the U.S. think our criminals would narrow their predation to just pickpocketing like they do in France......

France 2014 Crime and Safety Report Paris

Crime in Paris is similar to that in most large cities. Pickpockets are by far the most significant problem. In addition to purses and wallets, smart phones, and small electronic devices are particular targets. In Paris, pickpockets can be any gender, race, or age but are commonly children under the age of 16 because they are difficult to prosecute.

Pickpockets are very active on the rail link (RER B) from Charles de Gaulle Airport to the city center. In addition, passengers on the Metro line 1, which traverses the city center from east to west and services many major tourist sites, are often targeted. Thieves often time their pickpocket attempts to coincide with the closing of the automatic doors on the Metro, leaving the victim on the departing train. Many thefts also occur at major department stores (e.g., Galeries Lafayette, Printemps, and Le Bon Marché), where tourists may leave wallets, passports, and credit cards on cashier counters during transactions. Popular tourist sites are also popular with thieves, who favor congested areas to mask their activities.

The crowded elevators at the Eiffel Tower, escalators at museums, and the area surrounding the Sacre Coeur Basilica in Montmartre are all favored by pickpockets and snatch-and-run thieves. There have also been some instances of tourists being robbed and assaulted near less populated Metro stations. Other areas in Paris where extra security precautions are warranted after dark are Les Halles and the Pigalle area.

Violent crime is relatively uncommon in the city center.

It is their criminal culture that is non violent...but when they decide to be violent...they get guns easily.......

 

[Derideo_Te]

8454 murders is "really, really low"?

Most nations would be in shock if they had that many murders

We don't have the highest murder rate either....other countries with strict gun control do.....

We aren't even in the top 10......with all of our guns....

These 10 Countries Have The World s Highest Murder Rates

Why do you compare the USA to the 3rd world nations when it comes to murder rates?

Why not compare it to the EU since that is about the same size as the USA in population?

I am simply pointing out that those countries mentioned...all have strict gun control laws....and according to you guys....merely having gun control laws and keeping civilians from having guns lowers the gun murder rate...and that isn't true......culture...not guns...are the issue....

Comparing apples to oranges is meaningless.

I notice you aren't even trying to compare the USA to the EU. Why not given that they are so similar in so many aspects?

they aren't similar in important ways...particularly crime.....we have a higher crime rate overall...due to the gangs in our inner cities.....and our gangs are far more violent...

Because they more guns, duh!

If it wasn't for gun fetishists obstructing all forms of reasonable controls there would be fewer guns.

So it is you gun fetishists who have to assume your share of the blame for making America into a violent society with a high crime rate.

But none of you have the honesty and integrity to admit as much.

In essence you lack the manhood which is why you have to purchase such large substitutes and walk around the streets carrying them.

 

[2aguy]

We don't have the highest murder rate either....other countries with strict gun control do.....

We aren't even in the top 10......with all of our guns....

These 10 Countries Have The World s Highest Murder Rates

Why do you compare the USA to the 3rd world nations when it comes to murder rates?

Why not compare it to the EU since that is about the same size as the USA in population?

I am simply pointing out that those countries mentioned...all have strict gun control laws....and according to you guys....merely having gun control laws and keeping civilians from having guns lowers the gun murder rate...and that isn't true......culture...not guns...are the issue....

Comparing apples to oranges is meaningless.

I notice you aren't even trying to compare the USA to the EU. Why not given that they are so similar in so many aspects?

they aren't similar in important ways...particularly crime.....we have a higher crime rate overall...due to the gangs in our inner cities.....and our gangs are far more violent...

Because they more guns, duh!

If it wasn't for gun fetishists obstructing all forms of reasonable controls there would be fewer guns.

So it is you gun fetishists who have to assume your share of the blame for making America into a violent society with a high crime rate.

But none of you have the honesty and integrity to admit as much.

In essence you lack the manhood which is why you have to purchase such large substitutes and walk around the streets carrying them.

Moron....there are countries in Europe with more guns than France that have lower crime rates than France...guns aren't the problem.....

 

[2aguy]

And as tired as it gets...Switzerland has the most guns in Europe...and some of the lowest violence rates....guns are not the issue....the culture is....most of Europe is homogeneous...that is changing and the violence levels are changing as well....

Safest Place On Earth Is Country With Most Guns Per Person

Switzerland is Europe's gun capital. It has more firepower per person than any other country in the world yet it is said to be one of the safest places on Earth.

Despite the prevalence of lethal hardware, the country has virtually no violent crime, there are only minimal controls at public buildings, and politicians rarely have police protection, although yesterday's events are bound to bring about a review of that situation.

Year after year, Switzerland has one of the world's lowest murder rates while sending machine guns to every member of their citizen army.

All males between 20 and 42 are required to keep rifles and pistols at home for the purposes of national defence and they are not kept in safes or with trigger locks. They are kept at the ready.
It was the Swiss passion for guns matched by their determination to keep their liberty that kept the Nazi war machine at bay.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Why do you compare the USA to the 3rd world nations when it comes to murder rates?

Why not compare it to the EU since that is about the same size as the USA in population?

I am simply pointing out that those countries mentioned...all have strict gun control laws....and according to you guys....merely having gun control laws and keeping civilians from having guns lowers the gun murder rate...and that isn't true......culture...not guns...are the issue....

Comparing apples to oranges is meaningless.

I notice you aren't even trying to compare the USA to the EU. Why not given that they are so similar in so many aspects?

they aren't similar in important ways...particularly crime.....we have a higher crime rate overall...due to the gangs in our inner cities.....and our gangs are far more violent...

Because they more guns, duh!

If it wasn't for gun fetishists obstructing all forms of reasonable controls there would be fewer guns.

So it is you gun fetishists who have to assume your share of the blame for making America into a violent society with a high crime rate.

But none of you have the honesty and integrity to admit as much.

In essence you lack the manhood which is why you have to purchase such large substitutes and walk around the streets carrying them.

Moron....there are countries in Europe with more guns than France that have lower crime rates than France...guns aren't the problem.....

That is right!

Gun fetishists like you are the problem.

 

[rightwinger]

And this is how easy it is to get fully automatic weapons in an EU country when you want one....it isn't that hard...and even with their extreme gun control.....it only took this police rookie 2 hours to get a fully automatic AK-47......

As Europe struggles to crack down on illegal weapons, some police recruits face a new training exercise: Go buy a Kalashnikov rifle. Donald says that in “a city in Europe,” which he would not name, “very young officers with no training or experience” were recently told to go find an assault weapon on the streets from an illegal arms dealer. “One came back two hours later with an AK-47,” Donald says. “He bought it for €1,000.”

So again....European criminals can get guns easily when they want or need them and none of the extreme gun laws in France, Belgium, Denmark or Sweden can stop them......like any gun control...the best way to control guns is to arrest and lock up the criminals who use them to hurt people.....since nothing else stops them....

They can get them? but for some reason they don't

Their gun crimes are infantessimal when compared to ours

The main point being they can get all the guns they want or need, when they want or need them....their culture keeps them from using them.....as I noted the cultural pacifism helps keep that down....they came through fuedalism, World War 1 and World War 2.....traumatic events for their cultures....

Sounds like bullshit doesn't it?

Here their criminals have free access to all the high powered weaponry, yet don't use it
Meanwhile, our criminals only have access to 300 million measly guns

 

[2aguy]

And this is how easy it is to get fully automatic weapons in an EU country when you want one....it isn't that hard...and even with their extreme gun control.....it only took this police rookie 2 hours to get a fully automatic AK-47......

As Europe struggles to crack down on illegal weapons, some police recruits face a new training exercise: Go buy a Kalashnikov rifle. Donald says that in “a city in Europe,” which he would not name, “very young officers with no training or experience” were recently told to go find an assault weapon on the streets from an illegal arms dealer. “One came back two hours later with an AK-47,” Donald says. “He bought it for €1,000.”

So again....European criminals can get guns easily when they want or need them and none of the extreme gun laws in France, Belgium, Denmark or Sweden can stop them......like any gun control...the best way to control guns is to arrest and lock up the criminals who use them to hurt people.....since nothing else stops them....

They can get them? but for some reason they don't

Their gun crimes are infantessimal when compared to ours

The main point being they can get all the guns they want or need, when they want or need them....their culture keeps them from using them.....as I noted the cultural pacifism helps keep that down....they came through fuedalism, World War 1 and World War 2.....traumatic events for their cultures....

Sounds like bullshit doesn't it?

Here their criminals have free access to all the high powered weaponry, yet don't use it
Meanwhile, our criminals only have access to 300 million measly guns

That shows culture, not guns are the problem...our gangs are extremely violent...as are the drug gangs in Mexico.....and Mexico has stricter gun laws than we do....

 

[rightwinger]

And as tired as it gets...Switzerland has the most guns in Europe...and some of the lowest violence rates....guns are not the issue....the culture is....most of Europe is homogeneous...that is changing and the violence levels are changing as well....

Safest Place On Earth Is Country With Most Guns Per Person

Switzerland is Europe's gun capital. It has more firepower per person than any other country in the world yet it is said to be one of the safest places on Earth.

Despite the prevalence of lethal hardware, the country has virtually no violent crime, there are only minimal controls at public buildings, and politicians rarely have police protection, although yesterday's events are bound to bring about a review of that situation.

Year after year, Switzerland has one of the world's lowest murder rates while sending machine guns to every member of their citizen army.

All males between 20 and 42 are required to keep rifles and pistols at home for the purposes of national defence and they are not kept in safes or with trigger locks. They are kept at the ready.
It was the Swiss passion for guns matched by their determination to keep their liberty that kept the Nazi war machine at bay.

You still trying that Switzerland myth even though you have been repeatedly corrected
Switzerland has a whole lot of guns. But like Barney Fife, they need to go to the government for bullets and account for all of them

 

[2aguy]

And as tired as it gets...Switzerland has the most guns in Europe...and some of the lowest violence rates....guns are not the issue....the culture is....most of Europe is homogeneous...that is changing and the violence levels are changing as well....

Safest Place On Earth Is Country With Most Guns Per Person

Switzerland is Europe's gun capital. It has more firepower per person than any other country in the world yet it is said to be one of the safest places on Earth.

Despite the prevalence of lethal hardware, the country has virtually no violent crime, there are only minimal controls at public buildings, and politicians rarely have police protection, although yesterday's events are bound to bring about a review of that situation.

Year after year, Switzerland has one of the world's lowest murder rates while sending machine guns to every member of their citizen army.

All males between 20 and 42 are required to keep rifles and pistols at home for the purposes of national defence and they are not kept in safes or with trigger locks. They are kept at the ready.
It was the Swiss passion for guns matched by their determination to keep their liberty that kept the Nazi war machine at bay.

You still trying that Switzerland myth even though you have been repeatedly corrected
Switzerland has a whole lot of guns. But like Barney Fife, they need to go to the government for bullets and account for all of them

I guess you are that stupid....you really believe if a criminal wanted bullets for his select fire, fully automatic weapon or government issued pistol...they couldn't get them.....considering three terrorists in France, 2 on a government terrorist watch list and on a convicted criminal easily got not only bullets, but fully automatic rifles, grenades, pistols and a rocket propelled grenade...easily....crossing an international border into Belgium to do it...

And you think gettin bullets would be hard in a country full of military hardware....you really are dumb....

 

[2aguy]

And of course....gun crime is going up in Europe.....from Britain...

1 400 shots fired and 29 dead Shocking scale of London gun crime revealed - Crime - News - London Evening Standard

They are taking their time...but their criminals are starting to use guns more and more.....and they get them easily.....

 

[rightwinger]

And as tired as it gets...Switzerland has the most guns in Europe...and some of the lowest violence rates....guns are not the issue....the culture is....most of Europe is homogeneous...that is changing and the violence levels are changing as well....

Safest Place On Earth Is Country With Most Guns Per Person

Switzerland is Europe's gun capital. It has more firepower per person than any other country in the world yet it is said to be one of the safest places on Earth.

Despite the prevalence of lethal hardware, the country has virtually no violent crime, there are only minimal controls at public buildings, and politicians rarely have police protection, although yesterday's events are bound to bring about a review of that situation.

Year after year, Switzerland has one of the world's lowest murder rates while sending machine guns to every member of their citizen army.

All males between 20 and 42 are required to keep rifles and pistols at home for the purposes of national defence and they are not kept in safes or with trigger locks. They are kept at the ready.
It was the Swiss passion for guns matched by their determination to keep their liberty that kept the Nazi war machine at bay.

You still trying that Switzerland myth even though you have been repeatedly corrected
Switzerland has a whole lot of guns. But like Barney Fife, they need to go to the government for bullets and account for all of them

I guess you are that stupid....you really believe if a criminal wanted bullets for his select fire, fully automatic weapon or government issued pistol...they couldn't get them.....considering three terrorists in France, 2 on a government terrorist watch list and on a convicted criminal easily got not only bullets, but fully automatic rifles, grenades, pistols and a rocket propelled grenade...easily....crossing an international border into Belgium to do it...

And you think gettin bullets would be hard in a country full of military hardware....you really are dumb....

Again you are exchanging fantasy for reality. Switzerland has very strict gun rules .......are you willing to adopt the Swiss gun rules you admire so much.

 

[Derideo_Te]

And as tired as it gets...Switzerland has the most guns in Europe...and some of the lowest violence rates....guns are not the issue....the culture is....most of Europe is homogeneous...that is changing and the violence levels are changing as well....

Safest Place On Earth Is Country With Most Guns Per Person

Switzerland is Europe's gun capital. It has more firepower per person than any other country in the world yet it is said to be one of the safest places on Earth.

Despite the prevalence of lethal hardware, the country has virtually no violent crime, there are only minimal controls at public buildings, and politicians rarely have police protection, although yesterday's events are bound to bring about a review of that situation.

Year after year, Switzerland has one of the world's lowest murder rates while sending machine guns to every member of their citizen army.

All males between 20 and 42 are required to keep rifles and pistols at home for the purposes of national defence and they are not kept in safes or with trigger locks. They are kept at the ready.
It was the Swiss passion for guns matched by their determination to keep their liberty that kept the Nazi war machine at bay.

You still trying that Switzerland myth even though you have been repeatedly corrected
Switzerland has a whole lot of guns. But like Barney Fife, they need to go to the government for bullets and account for all of them

I guess you are that stupid....you really believe if a criminal wanted bullets for his select fire, fully automatic weapon or government issued pistol...they couldn't get them.....considering three terrorists in France, 2 on a government terrorist watch list and on a convicted criminal easily got not only bullets, but fully automatic rifles, grenades, pistols and a rocket propelled grenade...easily....crossing an international border into Belgium to do it...

And you think gettin bullets would be hard in a country full of military hardware....you really are dumb....

Again you are exchanging fantasy for reality. Switzerland has very strict gun rules .......are you willing to adopt the Swiss gun rules you admire so much.

That works for me! Make everyone do military service in order to have a firearm and hold them 100% accountable for their weapons at all times.

 

[2aguy]

And as tired as it gets...Switzerland has the most guns in Europe...and some of the lowest violence rates....guns are not the issue....the culture is....most of Europe is homogeneous...that is changing and the violence levels are changing as well....

Safest Place On Earth Is Country With Most Guns Per Person

Switzerland is Europe's gun capital. It has more firepower per person than any other country in the world yet it is said to be one of the safest places on Earth.

Despite the prevalence of lethal hardware, the country has virtually no violent crime, there are only minimal controls at public buildings, and politicians rarely have police protection, although yesterday's events are bound to bring about a review of that situation.

Year after year, Switzerland has one of the world's lowest murder rates while sending machine guns to every member of their citizen army.

All males between 20 and 42 are required to keep rifles and pistols at home for the purposes of national defence and they are not kept in safes or with trigger locks. They are kept at the ready.
It was the Swiss passion for guns matched by their determination to keep their liberty that kept the Nazi war machine at bay.

You still trying that Switzerland myth even though you have been repeatedly corrected
Switzerland has a whole lot of guns. But like Barney Fife, they need to go to the government for bullets and account for all of them

I guess you are that stupid....you really believe if a criminal wanted bullets for his select fire, fully automatic weapon or government issued pistol...they couldn't get them.....considering three terrorists in France, 2 on a government terrorist watch list and on a convicted criminal easily got not only bullets, but fully automatic rifles, grenades, pistols and a rocket propelled grenade...easily....crossing an international border into Belgium to do it...

And you think gettin bullets would be hard in a country full of military hardware....you really are dumb....

Again you are exchanging fantasy for reality. Switzerland has very strict gun rules .......are you willing to adopt the Swiss gun rules you admire so much.

Sorry...you nutters say the mere presence of guns leads to gun violence....that's not the case......our society, our inner city criminal culture is far more violent than the criminal culture in Europe...and that is changing.....

 

[2aguy]

Hmmmm...the Frech want to send the military in to Marseilles....to deal with escalating gun violence......when was this written.....?

French want army to combat gun crime in Marseille - France - RFI

Police say most of the murders in Marseille are linked to turf wars between multiple rival gangs battling for control of the drugs trade in the city's poorest neighbourhoods.

The violence, they say, is aggravated by the easy availability of high-calibre weapons, with the street price of a Kalashnikov automatic rifle, the murder instrument of choice, reported to be as little as 500 euros.

You anti-gun nuts should be happy....in Europe...their criminals are using fully automatic weapons......and oh yeah....those are illegal in France...as are almost all guns...but as the article says...they are the weapon of choice for French criminals....

 

[2aguy]

Hmmm...I guess the violent crime rate in France isn't as low as we were led to believe...and it is getting worse...

France - Rising crime piles pressure on French government - France 24