I've long said, "Beware the Suits"...I believe that yesterday's revelations (re: bribery in StL and Richardson collusion) have confirmed my warning. The "fix" is in! I think the only way the Rams come home, is if Kroenke, indeed, goes rogue. He has the perfect opportunity to do so, right after the Rams' final home game in StL on the 17th...If he doesn't act then, I wouldn't bet on a Rams return to LA, unless Spanos indeed takes Stan's offer, which is unlikely, now that things are pointing more and more in favor of the Chargers. Kroenke has the perfect means of filing an anti-trust suit, with everything that has happened, but if he doesn't file a suit, it will put an end to the Rams returning, IMHO.
or he can just do what evil woman did and just threaten anti trust until he gets the vote in his favor
threat worked when evil woman did it...but stan could actually follow through with it. Rams will be in LA
keep in mind, Adam, that that was an entirely different situation. You didn't have two other teams fighting to get into StL. That complicates things a whole lot more than when GF was trying to move.
yeah, instead this time you have owners cuolluding against each other. more of a case for anti trust IMO. either way you slice, anti trust law has not changed that much. Stan can take the Rams to LA is he choses.
You may be right Bill. On the other hand I would tend to believe the other owners may not look at Richardson's collusion with Spanos in a positive light. The other owners are not stupid and will probably not appreciate the head of the LA committee trying to stack the deck for one side. In fact they will probably see that sending the Charger/Raider marriage to LA as less likely to succeed.
it's called collusion.
Technically, he has to wait for a vote against him to file suit, otherwise there was no "restraint." Anyway, it may not come to that. It's clear that we cannot see all of the moving parts this scenario has. My money's still on Stan.
Remeber Bill his actions have spoken for SK
Win arbitration *
Buy land in inglewood *
Make NFL presentation*
Well, I don't know how to address your doubts then, Bill. Stan has every legality on his side. Everything from the lease to the solid anti-trust case that might be pending point to a man with a few cards up his sleeve. Grubman spent all sorts of time poking holes in StL's financials, and Richardson has colluded BIG TIME with the Spanos/Davis camp. How this is not seen as favorable for us, I really cannot understand. Follow the $$$. It's been in Inglewood from the get-go. Everything else is smoke and mirrors until you see a tablespoon of dirt turn in Carson.
I agree with everything you've said, Deb, but he has to be way more proactive on this. All I'm saying is, he should announce he's moving after the last home game, and if he gets any crap from the league, he then will have all the legal advantages youspeak of. If he waits until after the Spanos/ Davis move is approved (which is what I'm concerned about), then it will just look like sour grapes. I don't want him to close the barn door after the horses escape.
I feel like I'm going to curse or say something I shouldn't at this point. HE HAS TO BE MORE PROACTIVE?? He's the ONLY one in this entire debacle who HAS been proactive. Literally everything else is a reaction. Let the Carson PR machine spin away. It really hasn't changed anything.
EVERY leak has been pro Rams. You never hear that the Charger players are looking for homes, or that they've cancelled events in SD, or that Carson is actually building something. No. We get Disney magic and a clown car full of stadium "helpers" like Robles, Policy, Iger, etc. Well, I can't talk every, last person off the ledge, so I'm going to excuse myself at this point. We're going around in circles.
Very good point Deb.
The Chargers have always been ALL talk and bark, and Kroenke seems to go about things by "action". There's a reason why he doesn't have Richardson, Fabiani, Iger, and Policy doing all the dirty work for him. He doesn't NEED to. Inthe end, money will ALWAYS win over. I challenge anyone to name me 1 major corporation/business who chose "good guy, ass kisser" over the man with the MONEY to run a major project? I'm telling you, you can't. If it was my business, I would choose the guy with the money, connections, intellect, smarts, and power over the "good soldier, nice guy" any day of the week.
One of my all time favorite quotes that definitely pertains to the "Spanos vs. Kroenke" battle to Los Angeles.
"Those that are the loudest in their threats are the weakest in their actions."
One thing is for sure, if the Spanos group was trying to convince some of the owners favoring Inglewood to come over to their side, this collusion will likely harden their support for Inglewood. The actual vote count doesn't matter if neither has 24.Let's pretend it's 23 votes for Carson, 9 for Inglewood. That's the exact same as 23 votes for Inglewood and 9 for Carson. Both scenarios, the two camps will have to go into negotiations. If it goes into negotiations, the result is most likely a Rams/Chargers in LA solution.
I agree Bill but one thing to keep in mind is both sides have the votes to block, there will be negotiations whether Spanos likes it or not. The St Louis Rams are done either way.
I say ESK should break ground on his Inglewood stadium and dare the league to stop him. If the NFL tries to block him, he can move anyway and drag the league into a costly antitrust litigation. Like Al Davis, the NFL loses and ESK builds his stadium while his team begins play at the Coliseum.
Kroenke has not played all his cards yet and nothing has changed in regards to Inglewood winning "the race."
Collusion:
Is an agreement between two or more parties, sometimes illegal and therefore secretive, to limit open competition by deceiving, misleading, or defrauding others of their legal rights, or to obtain an objective forbidden by law typically by defrauding or gaining an unfair market advantage. It is an agreement among firms or individuals to divide a market, set prices, limit production or limit opportunities.[1] It can involve "wage fixing, kickbacks, or misrepresenting the independence of the relationship between the colluding parties". In legal terms, all acts effected by collusion are considered void.
YEP, THAT ABOUT SUMS IT UP THAT DESCRIBES SPANOS, RICHARDSON AND IGER!!
Go Rogue Stan and sue the HELL out of the league!!
I say ESK should break ground on his Inglewood stadium and dare the league to stop him. I'd force the league's hand and make it choose how Rams win-- by NFL owners' vote or through a bloody court fight that the league loses.
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December 11 at 12:47pm
DM RossiFurther evidence of Collusion:
Iger said **that he was first approached by Carolina Panthers owner Jerry Richardson** who visited him in L.A. during the summer.
"He asked whether I'd be interested in **helping very specifically the partnership of the Raiders and Chargers move to L.A**., develop a stadium, reposition themselves here," Iger said. "I engaged in conversations with Jerry, and then with both entities."
Where is the IMPARTIALITY that the commissioner GUARANTEED this committee was suppose to have!!
WHAT BULLSH*T!!
GO ROGUE STAN AND MOVE THE RAMS BACK HERE TO LOS ANGELES, YOU HAVE LEGAL STANDING AND PRECEDENT ON YOU
Vinny said on twitter that the owners he has talked to are committed to a decision in January.
He cannot file anything if nothing has happened. If and I do believe a big if, the NFL blocks the Inglewood project, Kroenke can then move forward with litigation. Also people need to chill! Fred can say what he wants so can Vinny, but what has changed. Essentially nothing short of Bob Iger who is in control of Disney at the time of slumping prescriptions to ESPN. Which by the way I am sure the NFL is super happy about as well as advertisers.
St Louis is not going to pay for a new stadium plain and simple..even if the NFL and saint Louis pitched in 1 billion Stan does not have to sign anything. Game set match. Rams in LA playing at the coliseum next yr
Carson: still a landfill, Mayor with potential legal case hanging out there, Iger/Richardson relationship issue, and Davis still showing commitment to Oakland
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Rudolph SanonNot me. Nothing has changed. Until Kroenke and Meany say that Inglewood is not getting built, it's getting built no matter what
this is the first time in a debate of ours where i was wrong and he was right at the moment,since I DID say the Rams would be back in LA last year,but unlike him,I can admit when I am wrong,i was off by one year,they will be back this year though,thats obvious.
