Excellent article on the failings of muslims/islam

[rhodescholar]

Why the Arab World Is Lost in an Emotional Nakba, and How We Keep It There

But the problem goes far beyond Israel and her neighbors. As anyone paying attention knows, the Salafi-Jihadis, who have “hijacked” Islam the world over, embody this self-same honor-shame mentality in its harshest form: the existential drama of humiliate or be humiliated, rule or be ruled, exterminate or be exterminated. Dar al Islam must conquer dar al Harb; independent infidels (harbis) must be spectacularly brought low, their women raped; Islam must dominate the world … or vanish. The language of Shia and Sunni Jihadis alike reverberates with the sounds of honor, plunder, dominion, shame, humiliation, misogyny, rage, vengeance, conspiracy, and paranoid fear of implosion.

It’s not that our policy makers—and here I speak of not only Israel but the democratic West—don’t take account of honor-shame dynamics. They just don’t take it seriously. For them, what they regard as childish, superficial concerns can be palliated with polite words and gestures, and then these good people will behave like rational choice actors, and we can all move forward in familiar, sensible ways. So, when the Pope Benedict’s remark about an “inherently violent Islam” set off riots of protest throughout the Muslim world, the onus was on the pope to apologize for provoking them. Only thus could one spare Muslims global derision for randomly killing—killing to protest being called violent.

But culture is not a superficial question of manners. In the Middle East, honor is identity. Appeasement and concessions are signs of weakness: When practiced by one’s own leaders, they produce riots of protest, by one’s enemy, renewed aggression. Benjamin Netanyahu stops most settlement activity for nine months. Barack Obama goes to Saudi Arabia for a reciprocal concession he can announce in Cairo. King Abdullah throws a fit and the Palestinians make more demands. And too few wonder whether basic logic of the negotiations—land for peace—has any purchase on the cultural realities of this corner of the globe. If only Israel would be more reasonable …

 

[Fenton Lum]

The Catholic Church is the worlds first corporation. Go back to the Papal bulls of the 1400-1500s calling for the elimination of indigenous peoples across the globe. Honor, plunder, dominion, shame, humiliation, misogyny, rage, vengeance, conspiracy, and paranoid fear of implosion was the theme along with painting everyone else as "savages" and "barbarians".

It's an old ruse, a religious based excuse for plunder. As for "appeasement and concessions are signs of weakness", we have only to look at our own political system to see the same, we have welcomed the virus into american society, we have become the middle east. Both Netanyahu and "the West" would do well to understand that no one anywhere will ever welcome occupation, just as we would not.

Israel would have to be more reasonable if they had to man up and work this out on their own with their opposition, but as long as they can keep sucking off of and hiding behind the religious zealots in american, why would they?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The Catholic Church is the worlds first corporation. Go back to the Papal bulls of the 1400-1500s calling for the elimination of indigenous peoples across the globe. Honor, plunder, dominion, shame, humiliation, misogyny, rage, vengeance, conspiracy, and paranoid fear of implosion was the theme along with painting everyone else as "savages" and "barbarians".

It's an old ruse, a religious based excuse for plunder. As for "appeasement and concessions are signs of weakness", we have only to look at our own political system to see the same, we have welcomed the virus into american society, we have become the middle east. Both Netanyahu and "the West" would do well to understand that no one anywhere will ever welcome occupation, just as we would not.

Israel would have to be more reasonable if they had to man up and work this out on their own with their opposition, but as long as they can keep sucking off of and hiding behind the religious zealots in american, why would they?

Perhaps you did not notice, but this thread is about Islam and the psychological underpinnings to the Jihad they wage against the west. It certainly isn't about the Catholic church, and your childish statement in regards to Israel is just, plain stupid.

Israel is the most liberal society for hundreds of miles around, and any actual liberal would support them against the illiberal barbarians who assail them.

 

[irosie91]

ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROME ----(well---actually ....greece) an interesting factoid is----muslims actually imagine that ALEXANDER THE GREAT---who sought to impose greek "culture" on all of the 'other people' in the world----(barbarian means anyone who does not speak greek) was-----A MUSLIM !!!! a very significant factoid----(for the few of us who have a brain)

 

[Fenton Lum]

The Catholic Church is the worlds first corporation. Go back to the Papal bulls of the 1400-1500s calling for the elimination of indigenous peoples across the globe. Honor, plunder, dominion, shame, humiliation, misogyny, rage, vengeance, conspiracy, and paranoid fear of implosion was the theme along with painting everyone else as "savages" and "barbarians".

It's an old ruse, a religious based excuse for plunder. As for "appeasement and concessions are signs of weakness", we have only to look at our own political system to see the same, we have welcomed the virus into american society, we have become the middle east. Both Netanyahu and "the West" would do well to understand that no one anywhere will ever welcome occupation, just as we would not.

Israel would have to be more reasonable if they had to man up and work this out on their own with their opposition, but as long as they can keep sucking off of and hiding behind the religious zealots in american, why would they?

Perhaps you did not notice, but this thread is about Islam and the psychological underpinnings to the Jihad they wage against the west. It certainly isn't about the Catholic church, and your childish statement in regards to Israel is just, plain stupid.

Israel is the most liberal society for hundreds of miles around, and any actual liberal would support them against the illiberal barbarians who assail them.

Yes well, we certainly don't want to look at all religions do we now, that might not end well comparative analysis wise. They have all engaged in the same behavior toward other religions. Israel is line with america in that regard, that they are a liberal society for some. And just to clarify, "liberal" is a good thing now?

 

[rhodescholar]

The Catholic Church is the worlds first corporation. Go back to the Papal bulls of the 1400-1500s calling for the elimination of indigenous peoples across the globe. Honor, plunder, dominion, shame, humiliation, misogyny, rage, vengeance, conspiracy, and paranoid fear of implosion was the theme along with painting everyone else as "savages" and "barbarians".

It's an old ruse, a religious based excuse for plunder. As for "appeasement and concessions are signs of weakness", we have only to look at our own political system to see the same, we have welcomed the virus into american society, we have become the middle east. Both Netanyahu and "the West" would do well to understand that no one anywhere will ever welcome occupation, just as we would not.

Israel would have to be more reasonable if they had to man up and work this out on their own with their opposition, but as long as they can keep sucking off of and hiding behind the religious zealots in american, why would they?

Idiot, you missed the ENTIRE point of the article, which is that islam is an all consuming death cult, and that the claim that occupation or land is the cause of conflict is nonsense.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Why the Arab World Is Lost in an Emotional Nakba, and How We Keep It There

But the problem goes far beyond Israel and her neighbors. As anyone paying attention knows, the Salafi-Jihadis, who have “hijacked” Islam the world over, embody this self-same honor-shame mentality in its harshest form: the existential drama of humiliate or be humiliated, rule or be ruled, exterminate or be exterminated. Dar al Islam must conquer dar al Harb; independent infidels (harbis) must be spectacularly brought low, their women raped; Islam must dominate the world … or vanish. The language of Shia and Sunni Jihadis alike reverberates with the sounds of honor, plunder, dominion, shame, humiliation, misogyny, rage, vengeance, conspiracy, and paranoid fear of implosion.

It’s not that our policy makers—and here I speak of not only Israel but the democratic West—don’t take account of honor-shame dynamics. They just don’t take it seriously. For them, what they regard as childish, superficial concerns can be palliated with polite words and gestures, and then these good people will behave like rational choice actors, and we can all move forward in familiar, sensible ways. So, when the Pope Benedict’s remark about an “inherently violent Islam” set off riots of protest throughout the Muslim world, the onus was on the pope to apologize for provoking them. Only thus could one spare Muslims global derision for randomly killing—killing to protest being called violent.

But culture is not a superficial question of manners. In the Middle East, honor is identity. Appeasement and concessions are signs of weakness: When practiced by one’s own leaders, they produce riots of protest, by one’s enemy, renewed aggression. Benjamin Netanyahu stops most settlement activity for nine months. Barack Obama goes to Saudi Arabia for a reciprocal concession he can announce in Cairo. King Abdullah throws a fit and the Palestinians make more demands. And too few wonder whether basic logic of the negotiations—land for peace—has any purchase on the cultural realities of this corner of the globe. If only Israel would be more reasonable …

Yep.

Hundreds of millions are spoon-fed a supremacist ideology, yet this same supremacist ideology demands they remain primitive. The cognitive dissonance created when visions of supremacy meet with their real-word failings results in such rage that they lash out against those whose cultural values lead to success.

Islam stands against innovation, creativity, the free exchange of ideas, and a sense of introspection that results in people contemplating their failings and moving forward -- all the traits that lead to success. Instead, it demands obedience, the suspension of the imagination, the squashing of individuality and the immersion in superstition. It is the very reason they fail.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Yes well, we certainly don't want to look at all religions do we now, that might not end well comparative analysis wise. They have all engaged in the same behavior toward other religions. Israel is line with america in that regard, that they are a liberal society for some. And just to clarify, "liberal" is a good thing now?

You are indulging in nothing but tu quoque fallacies, child.

Islam is an all-encompassing way of life complete with a legal system, and the elevation of a murdering, rapist warlord to a position of being inviolate. You know as little about it as you do the meaning of liberal, so simply prattle way with your childish cliches.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The Catholic Church is the worlds first corporation. Go back to the Papal bulls of the 1400-1500s calling for the elimination of indigenous peoples across the globe. Honor, plunder, dominion, shame, humiliation, misogyny, rage, vengeance, conspiracy, and paranoid fear of implosion was the theme along with painting everyone else as "savages" and "barbarians".

It's an old ruse, a religious based excuse for plunder. As for "appeasement and concessions are signs of weakness", we have only to look at our own political system to see the same, we have welcomed the virus into american society, we have become the middle east. Both Netanyahu and "the West" would do well to understand that no one anywhere will ever welcome occupation, just as we would not.

Israel would have to be more reasonable if they had to man up and work this out on their own with their opposition, but as long as they can keep sucking off of and hiding behind the religious zealots in american, why would they?

Perhaps you did not notice, but this thread is about Islam and the psychological underpinnings to the Jihad they wage against the west. It certainly isn't about the Catholic church, and your childish statement in regards to Israel is just, plain stupid.

Israel is the most liberal society for hundreds of miles around, and any actual liberal would support them against the illiberal barbarians who assail them.

Yes well, we certainly don't want to look at all religions do we now, that might not end well comparative analysis wise. They have all engaged in the same behavior toward other religions. Israel is line with america in that regard, that they are a liberal society for some. And just to clarify, "liberal" is a good thing now?

Why is it when we bring up the murderous cult of Islam you want to talk about things the Catholic Church quit doing 600 years ago?

 

[Fenton Lum]

The Catholic Church is the worlds first corporation. Go back to the Papal bulls of the 1400-1500s calling for the elimination of indigenous peoples across the globe. Honor, plunder, dominion, shame, humiliation, misogyny, rage, vengeance, conspiracy, and paranoid fear of implosion was the theme along with painting everyone else as "savages" and "barbarians".

It's an old ruse, a religious based excuse for plunder. As for "appeasement and concessions are signs of weakness", we have only to look at our own political system to see the same, we have welcomed the virus into american society, we have become the middle east. Both Netanyahu and "the West" would do well to understand that no one anywhere will ever welcome occupation, just as we would not.

Israel would have to be more reasonable if they had to man up and work this out on their own with their opposition, but as long as they can keep sucking off of and hiding behind the religious zealots in american, why would they?

Perhaps you did not notice, but this thread is about Islam and the psychological underpinnings to the Jihad they wage against the west. It certainly isn't about the Catholic church, and your childish statement in regards to Israel is just, plain stupid.

Israel is the most liberal society for hundreds of miles around, and any actual liberal would support them against the illiberal barbarians who assail them.

Yes well, we certainly don't want to look at all religions do we now, that might not end well comparative analysis wise. They have all engaged in the same behavior toward other religions. Israel is line with america in that regard, that they are a liberal society for some. And just to clarify, "liberal" is a good thing now?

Why is it when we bring up the murderous cult of Islam you want to talk about things the Catholic Church quit doing 600 years ago?

Because all religions are capable of atrocity and have engaged in atrocity. I will not be swayed by any religious perceptual reality nor will I be swayed by any specific anti religion dogma. You folks can have your religious war, I will not be participating.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Because all religions are capable of atrocity and have engaged in atrocity. I will not be swayed by any religious perceptual reality nor will I be swayed by any specific anti religion dogma. You folks can have your religious war, I will not be participating.

A religious war is being fought against us whether we like it or not, child. The war is against western secularism.

You lack intelligence so are incapable of distinguishing the differences between Islam and other ideologies, and are obviously ignorant of the meaning of the word dogma.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Because all religions are capable of atrocity and have engaged in atrocity. I will not be swayed by any religious perceptual reality nor will I be swayed by any specific anti religion dogma. You folks can have your religious war, I will not be participating.

A religious war is being fought against us whether we like it or not, child. The war is against western secularism.

You lack intelligence so are incapable of distinguishing the differences between Islam and other ideologies, and are obviously ignorant of the meaning of the word dogma.

As if we weren't droning the fuck out of everything that moves. You're "at war" with a relatively few fundamentalist zealots. It only becomes as religious war if you respond like fundamentalist zealots.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Because all religions are capable of atrocity and have engaged in atrocity. I will not be swayed by any religious perceptual reality nor will I be swayed by any specific anti religion dogma. You folks can have your religious war, I will not be participating.

A religious war is being fought against us whether we like it or not, child. The war is against western secularism.

You lack intelligence so are incapable of distinguishing the differences between Islam and other ideologies, and are obviously ignorant of the meaning of the word dogma.

As if we weren't droning the fuck out of everything that moves. You're "at war" with a relatively few fundamentalist zealots. It only becomes as religious war if you respond like fundamentalist zealots.

Hundreds of millions of Muslims support the mission of spreading Islam until it is all that remains.

Your understanding of what constitutes "relatively few" is as lacking as the rest of the acumen you have displayed in this thread.

 

[Fenton Lum]

The Catholic Church is the worlds first corporation. Go back to the Papal bulls of the 1400-1500s calling for the elimination of indigenous peoples across the globe. Honor, plunder, dominion, shame, humiliation, misogyny, rage, vengeance, conspiracy, and paranoid fear of implosion was the theme along with painting everyone else as "savages" and "barbarians".

It's an old ruse, a religious based excuse for plunder. As for "appeasement and concessions are signs of weakness", we have only to look at our own political system to see the same, we have welcomed the virus into american society, we have become the middle east. Both Netanyahu and "the West" would do well to understand that no one anywhere will ever welcome occupation, just as we would not.

Israel would have to be more reasonable if they had to man up and work this out on their own with their opposition, but as long as they can keep sucking off of and hiding behind the religious zealots in american, why would they?

Idiot, you missed the ENTIRE point of the article, which is that islam is an all consuming death cult, and that the claim that occupation or land is the cause of conflict is nonsense.

Oh I got it, I just don't buy into bullshit.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Because all religions are capable of atrocity and have engaged in atrocity. I will not be swayed by any religious perceptual reality nor will I be swayed by any specific anti religion dogma. You folks can have your religious war, I will not be participating.

A religious war is being fought against us whether we like it or not, child. The war is against western secularism.

You lack intelligence so are incapable of distinguishing the differences between Islam and other ideologies, and are obviously ignorant of the meaning of the word dogma.

As if we weren't droning the fuck out of everything that moves. You're "at war" with a relatively few fundamentalist zealots. It only becomes as religious war if you respond like fundamentalist zealots.

Hundreds of millions of Muslims support the mission of spreading Islam until it is all that remains.

Your understanding of what constitutes "relatively few" is as lacking as the rest of the acumen you have displayed in this thread.

You prattling off nonsense isn't convincing. How many of these millions of muslims wishing to do you in do you know personally? How many muslims do you know, encounter, work with, live next to, have over for dinner, have over to spend the night with your kids?

Any personal involvment with any?

 

[Fenton Lum]

Why the Arab World Is Lost in an Emotional Nakba, and How We Keep It There

But the problem goes far beyond Israel and her neighbors. As anyone paying attention knows, the Salafi-Jihadis, who have “hijacked” Islam the world over, embody this self-same honor-shame mentality in its harshest form: the existential drama of humiliate or be humiliated, rule or be ruled, exterminate or be exterminated. Dar al Islam must conquer dar al Harb; independent infidels (harbis) must be spectacularly brought low, their women raped; Islam must dominate the world … or vanish. The language of Shia and Sunni Jihadis alike reverberates with the sounds of honor, plunder, dominion, shame, humiliation, misogyny, rage, vengeance, conspiracy, and paranoid fear of implosion.

It’s not that our policy makers—and here I speak of not only Israel but the democratic West—don’t take account of honor-shame dynamics. They just don’t take it seriously. For them, what they regard as childish, superficial concerns can be palliated with polite words and gestures, and then these good people will behave like rational choice actors, and we can all move forward in familiar, sensible ways. So, when the Pope Benedict’s remark about an “inherently violent Islam” set off riots of protest throughout the Muslim world, the onus was on the pope to apologize for provoking them. Only thus could one spare Muslims global derision for randomly killing—killing to protest being called violent.

But culture is not a superficial question of manners. In the Middle East, honor is identity. Appeasement and concessions are signs of weakness: When practiced by one’s own leaders, they produce riots of protest, by one’s enemy, renewed aggression. Benjamin Netanyahu stops most settlement activity for nine months. Barack Obama goes to Saudi Arabia for a reciprocal concession he can announce in Cairo. King Abdullah throws a fit and the Palestinians make more demands. And too few wonder whether basic logic of the negotiations—land for peace—has any purchase on the cultural realities of this corner of the globe. If only Israel would be more reasonable …

Yep.

Hundreds of millions are spoon-fed a supremacist ideology, yet this same supremacist ideology demands they remain primitive. The cognitive dissonance created when visions of supremacy meet with their real-word failings results in such rage that they lash out against those whose cultural values lead to success.

Islam stands against innovation, creativity, the free exchange of ideas, and a sense of introspection that results in people contemplating their failings and moving forward -- all the traits that lead to success. Instead, it demands obedience, the suspension of the imagination, the squashing of individuality and the immersion in superstition. It is the very reason they fail.

Yep.

Hundreds of millions of americans are spoon-fed a supremacist ideology.

So please, spare me the double standard.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The Catholic Church is the worlds first corporation. Go back to the Papal bulls of the 1400-1500s calling for the elimination of indigenous peoples across the globe. Honor, plunder, dominion, shame, humiliation, misogyny, rage, vengeance, conspiracy, and paranoid fear of implosion was the theme along with painting everyone else as "savages" and "barbarians".

It's an old ruse, a religious based excuse for plunder. As for "appeasement and concessions are signs of weakness", we have only to look at our own political system to see the same, we have welcomed the virus into american society, we have become the middle east. Both Netanyahu and "the West" would do well to understand that no one anywhere will ever welcome occupation, just as we would not.

Israel would have to be more reasonable if they had to man up and work this out on their own with their opposition, but as long as they can keep sucking off of and hiding behind the religious zealots in american, why would they?

Perhaps you did not notice, but this thread is about Islam and the psychological underpinnings to the Jihad they wage against the west. It certainly isn't about the Catholic church, and your childish statement in regards to Israel is just, plain stupid.

Israel is the most liberal society for hundreds of miles around, and any actual liberal would support them against the illiberal barbarians who assail them.

Yes well, we certainly don't want to look at all religions do we now, that might not end well comparative analysis wise. They have all engaged in the same behavior toward other religions. Israel is line with america in that regard, that they are a liberal society for some. And just to clarify, "liberal" is a good thing now?

Why is it when we bring up the murderous cult of Islam you want to talk about things the Catholic Church quit doing 600 years ago?

Because all religions are capable of atrocity and have engaged in atrocity. I will not be swayed by any religious perceptual reality nor will I be swayed by any specific anti religion dogma. You folks can have your religious war, I will not be participating.

Ya accusing Catholics of things they STOPPED doing hundreds of years ago and comparing them to Islam which STILL does them sure is a telling and effective point. Look dumb ass Catholics reformed as did Christians in general, you can NOT compare what they STOPPED doing 500 years ago to what Islam continies to do today and claim they are the same.

 

[rhodescholar]

You prattling off nonsense isn't convincing. How many of these millions of muslims wishing to do you in do you know personally? How many muslims do you know, encounter, work with, live next to, have over for dinner, have over to spend the night with your kids? Any personal involvment with any?

The moron has no argument, so he pushes to make it into a personal contest of who you know. Typical.

 

[rhodescholar]

Hundreds of millions of americans are spoon-fed a supremacist ideology. So please, spare me the double standard.

Really? How's that, dimwit?

 

[Fenton Lum]

You prattling off nonsense isn't convincing. How many of these millions of muslims wishing to do you in do you know personally? How many muslims do you know, encounter, work with, live next to, have over for dinner, have over to spend the night with your kids? Any personal involvment with any?

The moron has no argument, so he pushes to make it into a personal contest of who you know. Typical.

So none of you know any muslims.