EVs "biggest scam of modern times"

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This is an interesting article about the problems with the expensive EVs.

My son has a Tesla Model Y and he is fed up with it. He is planning to get rid of it soon and replace it with an ICE. Although he never had to abandon the vehicle his experience is very similar to this guy's.

Of course Joe Potatohead's solution to one of the big problems of not having adequate charging stations is to spend tens of billions of tax payer's money to build more of them. Since I don't own an EV why should my money be stolen from me and be used to provide a charging station for your RV? Why don't you pay for it yourself since you are the benefiting from it?

By the way I disagree that EVs are the biggest scam of modern times. The biggest scam is the Man Made Global Warming bullshit. Of course this may be considered a subset of that scam.



Dalbir Bala, who lives in the Winnipeg area, bought a Ford F150 Lightning EV in January for $115,000, plus tax. He told FOX Business he needed the vehicle for his work, but also wanted something suitable for recreational activities such as driving to his cabin or going fishing. He also wanted an environmentally friendly vehicle as owning one is "responsible citizenship these days."

But Bala was quickly hit with the reality of owning and operating an EV soon after the purchase. The vehicle compelled him to install two charges – one at work and one at home – for $10,000. To accommodate the charger, he had to upgrade his home’s electric panel for $6,000.

In all, Bala spent more than $130,000 – plus tax.

Not long after the purchase, Bala got into a minor accident which, he said, required "light assembly" on the front bumper. Bala took the vehicle to the body shop and did not get it back for six months. He said no one from Ford answered his email or phone calls for help.

The limitations of the EV truck became even more apparent when Bala embarked on a chaotic 1,400-mile road trip to Chicago.

Fast charging stations – which only charge EV’s up to 90% – cost more than gas for the same mileage. On the family’s first stop in Fargo, North Dakota, it took two hours and $56 to charge his vehicle from 10% to 90%. The charge was good for another 215 miles.

On the second stop, in Albertville, Minnesota, the free charger was faulty and the phone number on the charging station was of no help, he said. The family drove to another charging station in Elk River, Minnesota, but the charger was faulty there as well.

"This sheer helplessness was mind-boggling," Bala wrote in an online post. "My kids and wife were really worried and stressed at this point."

There were no other fast charging stations within range of Elk River and his vehicle only had 12 miles left.

"By now it was late afternoon. We were really stuck, hungry, and heartbroken," Bala said.

Bala ultimately had the vehicle towed to a Ford dealership in Elk River and rented a regular gas vehicle to complete the family’s trip to Chicago. The family picked up the F150 on their way back to Winnipeg.

"It was in [the] shop for 6 months. I can’t take it to my lake cabin. I cannot take it for off-grid camping. I cannot take for even a road trip," Bala wrote. "I can only drive in city – biggest scam of modern times."


 
This is an interesting article about the problems with the expensive EVs.

My son has a Tesla Model Y and he is fed up with it. He is planning to get rid of it soon and replace it with an ICE. Although he never had to abandon the vehicle his experience is very similar to this guy's.

Of course Joe Potatohead's solution to one of the big problems of not having adequate charging stations is to spend tens of billions of tax payer's money to build more of them. Since I don't own an EV why should my money be stolen from me and be used to provide a charging station for your RV? Why don't you pay for it yourself since you are the benefiting from it?

By the way I disagree that EVs are the biggest scam of modern times. The biggest scam is the Man Made Global Warming bullshit. Of course this may be considered a subset of that scam.



Dalbir Bala, who lives in the Winnipeg area, bought a Ford F150 Lightning EV in January for $115,000, plus tax. He told FOX Business he needed the vehicle for his work, but also wanted something suitable for recreational activities such as driving to his cabin or going fishing. He also wanted an environmentally friendly vehicle as owning one is "responsible citizenship these days."

But Bala was quickly hit with the reality of owning and operating an EV soon after the purchase. The vehicle compelled him to install two charges – one at work and one at home – for $10,000. To accommodate the charger, he had to upgrade his home’s electric panel for $6,000.

In all, Bala spent more than $130,000 – plus tax.

Not long after the purchase, Bala got into a minor accident which, he said, required "light assembly" on the front bumper. Bala took the vehicle to the body shop and did not get it back for six months. He said no one from Ford answered his email or phone calls for help.

The limitations of the EV truck became even more apparent when Bala embarked on a chaotic 1,400-mile road trip to Chicago.

Fast charging stations – which only charge EV’s up to 90% – cost more than gas for the same mileage. On the family’s first stop in Fargo, North Dakota, it took two hours and $56 to charge his vehicle from 10% to 90%. The charge was good for another 215 miles.

On the second stop, in Albertville, Minnesota, the free charger was faulty and the phone number on the charging station was of no help, he said. The family drove to another charging station in Elk River, Minnesota, but the charger was faulty there as well.

"This sheer helplessness was mind-boggling," Bala wrote in an online post. "My kids and wife were really worried and stressed at this point."

There were no other fast charging stations within range of Elk River and his vehicle only had 12 miles left.

"By now it was late afternoon. We were really stuck, hungry, and heartbroken," Bala said.

Bala ultimately had the vehicle towed to a Ford dealership in Elk River and rented a regular gas vehicle to complete the family’s trip to Chicago. The family picked up the F150 on their way back to Winnipeg.

"It was in [the] shop for 6 months. I can’t take it to my lake cabin. I cannot take it for off-grid camping. I cannot take for even a road trip," Bala wrote. "I can only drive in city – biggest scam of modern times."


And an EV doesn't save the climate -

 
One of the interesting phenomena about EV's is the people who buy them when they clearly are not suitable for the usage that they plan. I realize some people got blindsided by how poorly the Ford's did (do) in very cold conditions, especially when they are parked outside, but spending $115k on a truck when you haven't given it ten minutes of thought?

I just finished a 2,300 mile driving vacation in my Model 3LR-AWD. All of the trips were planned with the Tesla nav program, which told us exactly where to stop to charge and for how long. Interestingly, there was one leg of the trip where the system indicated correctly that I would only have 12 miles battery life when I finally got to the charger.

For the record, I paid an average of 40c/kWh on the trip and got four miles per kWh with the car, which calculates out to $0.10 per mile. At home, I pay $0.11 per kWh, which is a lot less. Ignoring the zero maintenance of the EV, it only costs a fraction of what an ICE vehicle costs to operate. And it goes like stink. And with the tax credit and an end-off-year discount on the car, I only paid about $39k for the car.

I'm more than satisfied with the car, and I couldn't care less about saving the planet.
 
The whole Co2 FRAUD is one of the three biggest scams of our time, the other two being covid and 911.
 
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This is an interesting article about the problems with the expensive EVs.

My son has a Tesla Model Y and he is fed up with it. He is planning to get rid of it soon and replace it with an ICE. Although he never had to abandon the vehicle his experience is very similar to this guy's.

Of course Joe Potatohead's solution to one of the big problems of not having adequate charging stations is to spend tens of billions of tax payer's money to build more of them. Since I don't own an EV why should my money be stolen from me and be used to provide a charging station for your RV? Why don't you pay for it yourself since you are the benefiting from it?

By the way I disagree that EVs are the biggest scam of modern times. The biggest scam is the Man Made Global Warming bullshit. Of course this may be considered a subset of that scam.



Dalbir Bala, who lives in the Winnipeg area, bought a Ford F150 Lightning EV in January for $115,000, plus tax. He told FOX Business he needed the vehicle for his work, but also wanted something suitable for recreational activities such as driving to his cabin or going fishing. He also wanted an environmentally friendly vehicle as owning one is "responsible citizenship these days."

But Bala was quickly hit with the reality of owning and operating an EV soon after the purchase. The vehicle compelled him to install two charges – one at work and one at home – for $10,000. To accommodate the charger, he had to upgrade his home’s electric panel for $6,000.

In all, Bala spent more than $130,000 – plus tax.

Not long after the purchase, Bala got into a minor accident which, he said, required "light assembly" on the front bumper. Bala took the vehicle to the body shop and did not get it back for six months. He said no one from Ford answered his email or phone calls for help.

The limitations of the EV truck became even more apparent when Bala embarked on a chaotic 1,400-mile road trip to Chicago.

Fast charging stations – which only charge EV’s up to 90% – cost more than gas for the same mileage. On the family’s first stop in Fargo, North Dakota, it took two hours and $56 to charge his vehicle from 10% to 90%. The charge was good for another 215 miles.

On the second stop, in Albertville, Minnesota, the free charger was faulty and the phone number on the charging station was of no help, he said. The family drove to another charging station in Elk River, Minnesota, but the charger was faulty there as well.

"This sheer helplessness was mind-boggling," Bala wrote in an online post. "My kids and wife were really worried and stressed at this point."

There were no other fast charging stations within range of Elk River and his vehicle only had 12 miles left.

"By now it was late afternoon. We were really stuck, hungry, and heartbroken," Bala said.

Bala ultimately had the vehicle towed to a Ford dealership in Elk River and rented a regular gas vehicle to complete the family’s trip to Chicago. The family picked up the F150 on their way back to Winnipeg.

"It was in [the] shop for 6 months. I can’t take it to my lake cabin. I cannot take it for off-grid camping. I cannot take for even a road trip," Bala wrote. "I can only drive in city – biggest scam of modern times."


1) I simply do not believe the sums given for his charger and upgraded electrical panel and why would he be forced to pay to install a charger at his place of employ? Anyone else here ever experienced anything similar? No. Cause its bullshit. The charger at his house AND the upgrade should have totaled no more than $4 or 5,000 total. If he gave his employer $5,000 (btw, are these USD or CAD) he's a fucking idiot or perhaps he forgot to tell us that he owns the business.

2) The story about six months to fix the front bumper makes no sense. He says he can't talk to Ford but doesn't explain why he can't simply drive to the Ford dealership that has his car and talk to them face-to-face. He also doesn't explain why a damaged bumper made his truck undriveable; why he couldn't simply retrieve his truck and continue driving it with a damaged front bumper. Again, I call bullshit.

3) The claim that a fast charger will only take his truck to 90% is bullshit. The charger, like any charger, will take it to 100%. The problem was that this fellow didn't want to wait. Gasoline in Canada costs more than in the states, though less than in Europe. A similar gasoline truck getting 20 miles to the gallon would have burned 10.75 gallons to go 215 miles. At $4/gal, that's $43.

4) The full range of the Lightning with the standard battery is 230 miles. An honest driver would not have been unpleasantly surprised that an 90% change would only take him 215 miles. More bullshit.

Here is what Google AI had to say about charging a Ford Lightning EV pickup in Canada:

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The cost of charging a Ford F-150 Lightning in Canada depends on the charging station and the amount of electricity used:
  • Off-peak charging
    In Sudbury, Ontario, off-peak charging rates are 7.4 cents per kilowatt hour (kWh). Driving 100 kilometers in the F-150 Lightning at room temperature costs about $2.21. [Driving a gasoline pickup 100 km would cost over $12.00]
  • Public charging stations
    The cost to charge at public charging stations can range from 0.24 cents per kWh to 0.31 cents per kWh.
  • BlueOval™ charging network
    The BlueOval™ charging network costs $50 a year with 250 kWh of complimentary charging for 2 years from the warranty start date.
Here are some other things to know about charging a Ford F-150 Lightning:

  • All Level 2 public charging stations use the same plug standard, so any car can use any Level 2 station.
  • Many Level 2 public charging stations are free-to-use.
  • The 2024 F-150 Lightning Standard Range (98 kWh battery) can charge from 15-80% in about 10 hours.
  • The F-150 Lightning has a full standard battery that can drive 230 miles. The extended-range battery option on the XLT or Lariat trim provides 320 miles of coverage.
 
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