Who Created the Modern Democratic Party and Where Will they Go?

[rightwinger]

Stalin killed a million Germans because they invaded his Country. Dumbass.

Yea…that’s the idea
Stalin was killing Germans so we didn’t have to

FDR let him

 

[WelfareQueen]

Yea…that’s the idea
Stalin was killing Germans so we didn’t have to

FDR let him

You mean FDR gave Stalin permission to defend his own Country? Wow...do tell. Somebody needs to change the History books.

 

[rightwinger]

You mean FDR gave Stalin permission to defend his own Country? Wow...do tell. Somebody needs to change the History books.

Stalin demanded US invade in 42
He demanded the US invade in 43
FDR invaded France mid 44

Doesn’t look like he was in Stalins pocket

In terms of beating Hitler
USSR did the heavy lifting

 

[WelfareQueen]

Stalin demanded US invade in 42
He demanded the US invade in 43
FDR invaded France mid 44

Doesn’t look like he was in Stalins pocket

In terms of beating Hitler
USSR did the heavy lifting

So, was FDR Stalin's puppet?

 

[IDIOCRACY]

Who created the modern Democrat Party? It is an interesting question because the Dems are clearly in utter disarray at this point in history. The Democrat Party for most of my life was the Party of the working man (at least nominally) and championed mainstream civil rights. The GOP was more traditional and more aspirational in upward mobility.

Both the Democrats and the GOP Parties I have known most of my life are gone, utterly destroyed. Both were done in by Trump. The GOP has slowly, and at times reluctantly, pivoted to Trump's populism and it is working. The Dems are lost.

So why, and who created the modern Dem Party?

In my mind in all goes back to Obama. He said he wanted to "fundamentally transform America." However, he never defined this, nor did the media (in Obama's pocket), ever ask him what it meant. Obama's vision in my view was cultural Marxism. Redistribution of wealth, intersectionality, dependence on the State versus individualism ( Jane with the Government holding her hand throughout life), and the erosion of Family, Faith, and Personal identity. All those lines must at first be blurred and then destroyed.

It is no secret Obama terribly hurt the Democrat Party during his Presidency. Over 1000 State House seats flipping from Dem to GOP, losing 63 Congressional House seats in his first Mid-term (One of the biggest shellackings in American History) and 35 seats in his second Mid-term.

And Obama and his people were running the White House during Biden's disastrous Presidency (Susan Rice et al). So, where will the Democratic Party go? Can they abandon Obama's Marxist vision and tack back into the American Mainstream, or do they stay in the wilderness?


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Foxfyre
PoliticalChic
rightwinger
Mac1958

I think Obama and those behind him did a good job developing a dumbed down, fragile and confused public.

Today's Democrats don't give a flying fuck their mantra's are ALL LIES. Democrats are content to present repeated lies as truth, because they're dumb and lazy, or perhaps more likely, they desire the disturbance and seek validations. It's not getting better, it's getting worse, every day. Facebook for instance is now PACKED with left propaganda (i.e. TDS), the left soak that in and go squawk, squawk, squawk, making it up as they go.

They're cowardly, intellectual honesty is empty, the democrats attract weak minds. Make-believe is now reality, or they'll do their best to force imitations into reality. Their thinking destroys everything, including the arts liberals once led.

Where does the Democrat party turn? Well fuck, from here the poison has run well into its course, we have a better chance of curing cancer. Perhaps their world has to crash for them to snap out of it. Real catastrophe, such as WW3, not the BS they make-up daily.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Until he invaded Iraq

He invaded Iraq 18 months later, dumbass! Learn some actual history other than the TikTok video playing in your head.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Stalin demanded US invade in 42
He demanded the US invade in 43
FDR invaded France mid 44

Doesn’t look like he was in Stalins pocket

In terms of beating Hitler
USSR did the heavy lifting

With the full support of the American industry and merchant fleet sending him supplies, which he did not have nor could produce.

 

[rightwinger]

With the full support of the American industry and merchant fleet sending him supplies, which he did not have nor could produce.

Absolutely
Shows the genius of FDR letting Stalin do the fighting and dying against Hitler while we provide resources

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

FDR did what everyone in the US wanted
Locked up the Japanese

He got Stalin to kill a million Germans for him

He violated every single Japanese person's Constitutional rights in doing so.

Too bad we did not have some of these activist judges back then.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Absolutely
Shows the genius of FDR letting Stalin do the fighting and dying against Hitler while we provide resources

How many bomber missions did Russia fly over German territory like the US and Britain did? Russia had had no air power at all. What they had, the Germans destroyed. Had Hitler followed the old doctrine of never invading Russia in the winter, he could have rolled up the Soviets in no time. Mother Nature was a good ally for Russia. Napolean learned that in the 1800s.

 

[rightwinger]

He violated every single Japanese person's Constitutional rights in doing so.

Too bad we did not have some of these activist judges back then.

Yes he did

That was post Pearl Harbor USA
It wasn’t just FDR demanding that Japanese residents be locked up. It was Republican Governor Earl Warren from California saying it was needed for national security. Almost every member of Congress supported it.
The kicker was the Supreme Court who is supposed to protect citizens against the excesses of government, refused to stop it.
Every nation on earth curtailed individual rights during the war.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yes he did

That was post Pearl Harbor USA
It wasn’t just FDR demanding that Japanese residents be locked up. It was Republican Governor Earl Warren from California saying it was needed for national security. Almost every member of Congress supported it.
The kicker was the Supreme Court who is supposed to protect citizens against the excesses of government, refused to stop it.
Every nation on earth curtailed individual rights during the war.

So that means it is OK with you?

 

[Meister]

JFK would have been appalled by TRUMP as well as his idiot nephew RFK jr

The same JFK who cut taxes?

 

[rightwinger]

The same JFK who cut taxes?

JFK cut the tax rate on the wealthy down to 70 percent

I would be willing to live with that, would you?

 

[rightwinger]

So that means it is OK with you?

That means I am willing to accept that the country was different post Pearl Harbor
Just like our country was different post 9-11

We were willing to give up freedoms for security

 

[Meister]

JFK cut the tax rate on the wealthy down to 70 percent

I would be willing to live with that, would you?

You do leave out all the tax deductions.
Nobody paid 70% tax rates back then.

 

[rightwinger]

You do leave out all the tax deductions.
Nobody paid 70% tax rates back then.

Still paid a lot more than they do today.

37 percent and still a shit load of deductions

 

[Meister]

Still paid a lot more than they do today.

37 percent and still a shit load of deductions

Why not look at the charts for the middle and lower class tax rates, also.
Back then, everyone had skin in the game. The top 10% pay plenty


Recent break down

Summary of the Latest Federal Income Tax Data, 2025 Update

New IRS data shows the US federal income tax system continues to be progressive as high-income taxpayers pay the highest average income tax rates. Average tax rates for all income groups remain lower after the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA).

taxfoundation.org

 

[rightwinger]

Why not look at the charts for the middle and lower class tax rates, also.
Back then, everyone had skin in the game. The top 10% pay plenty


Recent break down

Summary of the Latest Federal Income Tax Data, 2025 Update

New IRS data shows the US federal income tax system continues to be progressive as high-income taxpayers pay the highest average income tax rates. Average tax rates for all income groups remain lower after the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA).

taxfoundation.org

The top ten percent pay a lower rate than working Americans

The Golden Rule……He who has the Gold makes the rules.

Thousands of pages of tax code for deductions for the rich…..two pages of deductions for working Americans

 

[Meister]

The top ten percent pay a lower rate than working Americans

The Golden Rule……He who has the Gold makes the rules.

Thousands of pages of tax code for deductions for the rich…..two pages of deductions for working Americans

Not according to the 2025 chart, top 10%, 21.1. Top 50%, 15.87, bottom 50%, 3.74%
You should really be pissed off at your democrat party, not the rich.