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EV's are the future

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As the batteries get better and cheaper, by 2025, the EV's will achieve price parity with ICE's, and from then on, it will be all downhill for the ICE's. Because the EV's require far less maintenance, cost far less per mile to run, and you can even make you own fuel for them with some solar panels. Plus they out perform ICE's in acceleration. Proof of that is that Ford is now building E-mustangs and E-150's. And virtually every other manufacture is adding EV''s to their product line. With more utilities encouraging VPP's, that will be even more incentive for owning an EV.
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EV's are just a fad for now. But will turn out to be an ecological disaster in the future. .... :cool:
 

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EV's are just a fad for now. But will turn out to be an ecological disaster in the future. .... :cool:
Already is..

Lithium mining is a dirty process that uses valuable water resources, pollutes local water supplies and according to the link only about 3 percent is recycled leaving the rest to leach toxins into the environment at landfills...
Even more alarming is China buying up lithium interests around the globe...
China’s Tianqi Lithium owns 51 percent of the world’s largest lithium reserve in Australia, giving it a controlling interest. In 2018, the company became the second-largest shareholder
This should alarm people, but it doesn't because...
Greta Cult.
 

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LOL And how many times did you say Tesla was going to go bankrupt? That his cars would never sell? LOL
You have me confused with someone else.
I never said Tesla will go bankrupt.
There will always be rich fools that will buy his overpriced pieces of junk. .. :cool:
 

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As the batteries get better and cheaper, by 2025,
IF batteries get better and cheaper (er, less expensive, there are no "cheap" batteries).

the EV's will achieve price parity with ICE's,
They have never done that yet.

and from then on, it will be all downhill for the ICE's. Because the EV's require far less maintenance, cost far less per mile to run, and you can even make you own fuel for them with some solar panels.
Except that making solar panels, batteries and electricity for EVs itself carries a carbon footprint and replacing the battery in an EV (resale value ain't shit) can cost as much as getting a nice new ICE car. Then there is the issue of waiting around for hours while the car recharges.

Plus they out perform ICE's in acceleration.
Just how fast do you need to accelerate? My ICE car already gets me up to highway speed in 2 seconds!

Proof of that is that Ford is now building E-mustangs and E-150's.
They are just anticipating government interjection and mandates.
 
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As the batteries get better and cheaper, by 2025, the EV's will achieve price parity with ICE's, and from then on, it will be all downhill for the ICE's. Because the EV's require far less maintenance, cost far less per mile to run, and you can even make you own fuel for them with some solar panels. Plus they out perform ICE's in acceleration. Proof of that is that Ford is now building E-mustangs and E-150's. And virtually every other manufacture is adding EV''s to their product line. With more utilities encouraging VPP's, that will be even more incentive for owning an EV.
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Pause on all that till there is a "quick charge" solution
Everything you said is correct but until we get loaded range over 1000 miles or a recharge period less than 1/2 hour all that must be pushed back. The reported range of these vehicles is like the MPG on cars. The tests are done in perfect simulated conditions and YOUR MILAGE WILL VARY...A BUNCH.

For family vacation or for businesses running over 250 miles per day the current loaded range is insufficient and the recharge time intolerable. Numbers will vary. You'll probably get a much smaller range in Phoenix in August than you will in February.
 

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Used gasoline cars are going to become priceless.
 

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As the batteries get better and cheaper, by 2025, the EV's will achieve price parity with ICE's, and from then on, it will be all downhill for the ICE's. Because the EV's require far less maintenance, cost far less per mile to run, and you can even make you own fuel for them with some solar panels. Plus they out perform ICE's in acceleration. Proof of that is that Ford is now building E-mustangs and E-150's. And virtually every other manufacture is adding EV''s to their product line. With more utilities encouraging VPP's, that will be even more incentive for owning an EV.
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Do you know what electric cars in china run on?

COAL
 

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Biggest lithium miner gears up to tap major lode from old cars
By Yvonne Yue Li
BLOOMBERG NEWS

The world’s biggest lithium miner wants to extract more of the battery metal from old cars as demand surges and aging electric vehicles are traded in.
Albemarle Corp. is making investments and partnering with automotive equipment manufacturers on the recycling effort, which it calls “critical” to its future growth.
The miner is part of a growing list of companies looking to grab a share of the market for recovered battery materials as lithium supplies show signs of tightening. Thirteen years after the Tesla Roadster made its debut, a first generation of EVs is nearing retirement, making more battery packs available. Once that happens, recycling is going to “take off,” said Christopher Perrella of Bloomberg Intelligence.
“It is very early stages, it’s something we’re investing in now,” Eric Norris, Albemarle’s head of lithium, said in an interview. “It’s a pretty ' comprehensive effort and a critical one for our growth going forward. We view this as a future resource that we would like to play prominently in.”
The recycling initiative is already underway at the Charlotte, North Carolina-based company, with a joint development agreement in place with a customer and the company looking at making investments with original equipment manufacturers, Norris said. Albermarle will help OEMs recycle from end-of-life batteries using its proprietary technology, he said.
The commercial activity will be in the second half of the decade, when regulatory mandates stipulate those batteries have to be recycled, Norris said.
BloombergNEF estimates 62,000 metric tons of used EV and stationary storage packs reached their end of life in 2020. This will grow to more than 4 million tons by 2035, according to BNEF.
In 2030, the world’s drivers and fleets are expected to buy almost 26 million electric vehicles a year, and junkyards will take in almost 1.7 million metric tons in scrapped batteries, BNEF said. Cumulative passenger, e-bus and commercial EV sales totaled 7.7 million at the end of 2019, according to the analysts.
Albemarle’s push may also help burnish its environmental credentials.
Recycling is viewed by environmental groups as one important way to reduce new mining projects. In the future, end-of-life EV lithiumion batteries will be the major source for secondary metals for cobalt, lithium and nickel, according to an April report commissioned by Earthworks and published by the Institute for Sustainable Futures, University of Technology Sydney.
Recycling is part of the sustainable aspect of electric vehicles, Kent Masters, Albemarle’s chief executive officer, said in the interview. At the end of life of EV batteries, “we have the skill set to help recycle that and to close the loop around EVs and lithium-ion batteries,” he said.
The recycle processing will be done on a local basis in Europe and North America, according to Masters. Canadian battery-recycling startup Li-Cycle Corp. said on Tuesday that it was awarded a multi-year contract with Ultium Cells LLC, a joint venture between General Motors and LG Energy Solution, to recycle critical materials from scrap and manufacturing excess generated by battery cell manufacturing.

Sunday, May 30, 2021
 

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As the batteries get better and cheaper, by 2025, the EV's will achieve price parity with ICE's, and from then on, it will be all downhill for the ICE's. Because the EV's require far less maintenance, cost far less per mile to run, and you can even make you own fuel for them with some solar panels. Plus they out perform ICE's in acceleration. Proof of that is that Ford is now building E-mustangs and E-150's. And virtually every other manufacture is adding EV''s to their product line. With more utilities encouraging VPP's, that will be even more incentive for owning an EV.
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I’m all for evs, but will they be less polluting? They are very polluting to make and keep charged.
 

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A few years from now the used EV car market will be flood with cars people can't even give away.
Tesla estimates a full battery pack replacement will cost around $20,000
So who in their right mind would by a used EV knowing that soon it's going to need a very expensive battery to keep it on the road? ... :cool:
 

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Children are dying in Cobalt mines, what about them?



She and other parents like her are part of a class-action lawsuit filed in U.S. federal court in Washington, D.C., in 2019 seeking to hold Apple, Alphabet (the parent company of Google), Dell Technologies, Microsoft and Tesla accountable for what they allege is profiting off the misery of child labor in their quest for cobalt.

“Cobalt is a key component of every rechargeable lithium-ion battery in all of the gadgets made by defendants


 

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What are the social and environmental impacts of lithium mining?

Approximately 500,000 gallons are used to produce one tonne of lithium. In Chile's Salar de Atacama, mining activities consume 65% of the area’s water. In a region where annual rainfall is less than 15 millimetres per year, the activity depletes already scarce water resources that local communities and species depend on.
Furthermore, toxic chemicals used in the separation process, such as hydrochloric acid, can leak from the evaporation pools into local water supplies and also affect air quality. Communities, who in many cases are indigenous to the area and hold traditional or communal rights to land and resources, are often displaced due to water shortages for themselves and their livestock.
 

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As the batteries get better and cheaper, by 2025, the EV's will achieve price parity with ICE's, and from then on, it will be all downhill for the ICE's. Because the EV's require far less maintenance, cost far less per mile to run, and you can even make you own fuel for them with some solar panels. Plus they out perform ICE's in acceleration. Proof of that is that Ford is now building E-mustangs and E-150's. And virtually every other manufacture is adding EV''s to their product line. With more utilities encouraging VPP's, that will be even more incentive for owning an EV.
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There's no evidence of either happening. EV's have a place, albeit a rather narrow one.

But, until you start seeing them entering endurance racing, they are going to remain a fringe, expensive, plaything.
 

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What are the social and environmental impacts of lithium mining?

Approximately 500,000 gallons are used to produce one tonne of lithium. In Chile's Salar de Atacama, mining activities consume 65% of the area’s water. In a region where annual rainfall is less than 15 millimetres per year, the activity depletes already scarce water resources that local communities and species depend on.

65%? Damn. And the Atacama is like already the driest place on the planet!
 

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I'm going to haul a gas powered electric generator in the back of my EV F150. Kind of turn it into a hybrid.
 

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Here is why Hydrogen cars are the future, not electric cars ... :thup:

 

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We've been hearing electric cars are the future for years now. Kind of like we've been hearing Brazil and India are the economies of the future. Yet none can quite turn the corner.
 

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