EV's are good for the environment they said.....the largest lithium-ion battery recovering facility in the world explodes!

[Rambunctious]

I make it a policy NOT TO HAVE any lithium batteries-----even the little guys used on little household gadgets-----I HOPE!!!!!! -----should I check hubby's little rechargeable hearing aid?

That's a good rule... I unplug before going to bed or leaving the house... I never leave my phone plugged in over night but a lot of people do sadly...
The super size batteries they want to store power in from windmills and solar farms are even more dangerous... they can't be extinguished very easily... some say once they catch on fire it takes a long time to put them out... whole areas have to be evacuated... its like the world has taken stupid pills over this climate change hoax....

 

[Rambunctious]

I didnt ask how fast,,

fact is oil fires can and are just as deadly as lithium fires when oil came into play,,

we learned then and we can learn now,,

I could post all day long about large oil fires and the toxic smoke they inleashed,,

dead is dead regardless of what kills you

Massive pipeline fire burning near Houston began after a vehicle struck a valve, officials say

A massive pipeline fire in La Porte, Texas, sparked grass fires and damaged a nearby park. The explosion forced evacuations and shelter orders.

apnews.com

I'm not defending oil fires... they are bad... but that doesn't make battery fires acceptable just because oil fires happen...
Both are bad....

 

[Rambunctious]

Grid scale batteries are very dangerous and they don't always tell you where they are being stored...

https://www.cfact.org/2024/10/01/grid-scale-battery-fires-loom-large/

 

[toobfreak]

That was from when Saddam Hussein torched the Kuwaiti oil fields in 1991.

Ahhh! Good times!

 

[progressive hunter]

That was from when Saddam Hussein torched the Kuwaiti oil fields in 1991.

Kuwait Burning – Impossible Missions

OK,,

how and why they started isnt the point,,

 

[progressive hunter]

I'm not defending oil fires... they are bad... but that doesn't make battery fires acceptable just because oil fires happen...
Both are bad....

never said it did,,,

both are bad and we accepted and learned how to deal with oil fires and will do the same for lithium fires,,

and dont act like this isnt about the government mandates on EVs,,

EV are a well tested and proven tech that still has advancements to make just like ICE cars did and still do,,

and before you ask I am against the mandates but not EVs and lithium tech,,

 

[toobfreak]

You ever try to clean up a massive oil leak, goofball?

You ever try putting out a jet liner hitting a skyscraper?
What about a volcano or an asteroid impactor?
You ever see how hard they are to put out?

I guess they make EV fires OK then, dickwad.

 

[irosie91]

That's a good rule... I unplug before going to bed or leaving the house... I never leave my phone plugged in over night but a lot of people do sadly...
The super size batteries they want to store power in from windmills and solar farms are even more dangerous... they can't be extinguished very easily... some say once they catch on fire it takes a long time to put them out... whole areas have to be evacuated... its like the world has taken stupid pills over this climate change hoax....

PHONE? oh shit!!!! (sorry grandma) hubby has a plug in phone----that
uses lithium batteries ( 1 1/2 feet from my head!!!!!) ????

 

[JGalt]

Ahhh! Good times!

Hope somebody brought the Dawn dish soap, it sure worked fine for those little duckies in the TV commercials.

 

[JGalt]

OK,,

how and why they started isnt the point,,

I'd be more concerned if there were the possibility of an oil well fire breaking out in my house. But I don't have any oil wells in my house, just Li-ion powered flashlights, computers, and phones.

 

[progressive hunter]

I'd be more concerned if there were the possibility of an oil well fire breaking out in my house. But I don't have any oil wells in my house, just Li-ion powered flashlights, computers, and phones.

do you park your car in a attached garage or do you have natural gas piped into it???

those all hold the same dangers,,

 

[toobfreak]

Hope somebody brought the Dawn dish soap, it sure worked fine for those little duckies in the TV commercials.

The REAL point here is that while on that rare chance of a gasoline fuel tank fire due to car crash or whatever, you can put one of those out quickly by conventional means by simply smothering the oxygen from the fire, whereas with an EV battery fire, they produce their own oxygen and hydrogen gas fueling themselves, so are near impossible to put out and once started, can burn for hours or days and at a far higher temperature about 3,000° hotter than gasoline.

 

[toobfreak]

I'd be more concerned if there were the possibility of an oil well fire breaking out in my house. But I don't have any oil wells in my house, just Li-ion powered flashlights, computers, and phones.

The comparison here is between EV battery fires and ICE fires, not oil well fires.

 

[progressive hunter]

The comparison here is between EV battery fires and ICE fires, not oil well fires.

its about the dangers of EVs verses ICE vehicles,,

and the anti tech people are using this as a piss poor excuse to attack EVs,,

 

[progressive hunter]

The REAL point here is that while on that rare chance of a gasoline fuel tank fire due to car crash or whatever, you can put one of those out quickly by conventional means by simply smothering the oxygen from the fire, whereas with an EV battery fire, they produce their own oxygen and hydrogen gas fueling themselves, so are near impossible to put out and once started, can burn for hours or days and at a far higher temperature about 3,000° hotter than gasoline.

if you use the way back machine when ICE vehicles started out there wasnt a conventional way to put out the fires,, water didnt work or made it worse

we had to create it then and we have to do it again for EV fires,,

 

[progressive hunter]

The comparison here is between EV battery fires and ICE fires, not oil well fires.

Waste Oil Recycling Factory Destroyed in Fire - IHA News

A fire broke out for an unknown reason in a factory where waste oils are recycled in the Organized Industrial Zone in Aksaray province of Türkiye at around 07:00 local time. As the flames quickly engulfed the entire factory, fire brigades were sent to the area. Although the teams arrived at the...

iha.news

 

[1srelluc]

OK, the fire is bad enough, but the KABOOM tied with the batteries is what destroys any fire suppression system they may have.

The facility in question touted one of the most sophisticated suppression systems in the country and it failed due to the KABOOM!.

From their webpage:

"The Critical Mineral Recovery facility is likely the most sophisticated automated and remote supervised and controlled fire suppression systems in the world.

The state-of-the-art fire prevention system is designed to detect fires before they start. The system covers all areas where battery materials are stored or processed.

It is monitored remotely 24/7 employing high-intensity industrial forward looking infrared (FLIR) camera technology."

The good thing is supposedly nobody was injured.

The bad thing for the area is it will be allowed to burn itself out.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I'm not defending oil fires... they are bad... but that doesn't make battery fires acceptable just because oil fires happen...
Both are bad....

Now that is sensible. I always have lithium batteries disconnected when not being used.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

""225,000 square foot processing facility in Fredericktown, Missouri, USA is one of the largest lithium-ion battery processing facilities in the world.""

Authorities on Scene of a Massive Fire at Critical Mineral Recovery

www.kfmo.com

Apparently, this company has 3 or 4 other factories that have had massive fires and or burned down.
They're not a processor, or mfg, more of a recycler.....Not good at all.

At least that's not planet killing CO2 in those poisonous clouds of toxic gas.

 

[westwall]

they used to and still do say the same thing about large oil fires,,

how long did it take to put out the oil well fires in kuwait after desert storm??

It took months because there were THOUSANDS of them.

Once you have the crew on site the actual extinguishing takes about an hour. It takes more time to re cap the well, but the actual fire fighting is quick.

I've seen it done in as few as 15 minutes.