'Epic Fury' has already canceled out Big Beautiful Bill's tax refunds — even if the Iran war ended today

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It seems that there's a price to be paid for fighting Israel's wars for them.
Oh well...at least big oil benefits--as usual.
The rest of us, not so much.

I note that this article only talks about gas prices..if one factors in increased shipping costs being passed on to the consumer...it's clear that the consumer is getting screwed again.


It’s been quite an eventful 24 hours, with Israel striking an Iranian gas field, Iran replying with an attack on the world’s biggest liquefied-natural-gas facility in Qatar, and in between Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell ducking and weaving on questions about what the war will mean to the economy.

But it sets up the backdrop for an analysis done by four economists at the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research on the impact of the war on the wallets of Americans.

They compare the tax refunds stemming from the One Big Beautiful Bill Act — that giant piece of tax legislation passed last year — with the surge in gasoline prices.

The Internal Revenue Service has data on tax refunds through Feb. 27. They’re up, on average, by 11%, which is a benefit of $360 per filer compared with the same period of 2025. Outside estimates expect the average tax refund when all is said and done to be even higher. Morgan Stanley says $534 higher and the Tax Foundation says $748.

Neale Mahoney, Jared Bernstein, Caleb Brobst and Ryan Cummings use the highest number, $748, to compare with what is likely to happen at the pump over the course of the year. Bernstein was the chair of the Council of Economic Advisers in the Biden administration, and Cummings was an economist at the White House between 2021 and 2023.

Using a simple model of the pass-through of crude oil to retail gasoline prices, the Stanford economists conclude that households will pay an extra $740 in gas costs this year.


They use two estimates from Goldman Sachs on the direction of Brent oil futures, one taken before the war and one taken after. The key thing here is that even the new Goldman Sachs estimate forecasts a three-week Strait of Hormuz closure. Given that Thursday marks the 20th day of the conflict, that means the war basically needs to end right now for even the newer Goldman forecast to hold true.
 
Gee theres no waste in the budget at all is there..........oooooops

Well there is all of that money that Trump spends going to Mar-A-Lago every weekend. That could easily be eliminated. If Trump wants to get away from the White House, he could go to Camp David.

There is also the unnecessary destruction of the East Wing of the White House. A "ballroom" is also a completely unnecessary expense. Trump also paved over the Rose Garden.

You could stop Kash Patel from using the FBI jet to fly to his girlfriend's concerts and the Olympics. Then there is Kristi Noem's photo shoot at the El Salvador prison. What did that cost taxpayers???

DOGE was a complete waste of money, costing tax payers millions and saving NOTHING.
 
It seems that there's a price to be paid for fighting Israel's wars for them.
Oh well...at least big oil benefits--as usual.
The rest of us, not so much.

I note that this article only talks about gas prices..if one factors in increased shipping costs being passed on to the consumer...it's clear that the consumer is getting screwed again.


It’s been quite an eventful 24 hours, with Israel striking an Iranian gas field, Iran replying with an attack on the world’s biggest liquefied-natural-gas facility in Qatar, and in between Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell ducking and weaving on questions about what the war will mean to the economy.

But it sets up the backdrop for an analysis done by four economists at the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research on the impact of the war on the wallets of Americans.

They compare the tax refunds stemming from the One Big Beautiful Bill Act — that giant piece of tax legislation passed last year — with the surge in gasoline prices.

The Internal Revenue Service has data on tax refunds through Feb. 27. They’re up, on average, by 11%, which is a benefit of $360 per filer compared with the same period of 2025. Outside estimates expect the average tax refund when all is said and done to be even higher. Morgan Stanley says $534 higher and the Tax Foundation says $748.

Neale Mahoney, Jared Bernstein, Caleb Brobst and Ryan Cummings use the highest number, $748, to compare with what is likely to happen at the pump over the course of the year. Bernstein was the chair of the Council of Economic Advisers in the Biden administration, and Cummings was an economist at the White House between 2021 and 2023.

Using a simple model of the pass-through of crude oil to retail gasoline prices, the Stanford economists conclude that households will pay an extra $740 in gas costs this year.


They use two estimates from Goldman Sachs on the direction of Brent oil futures, one taken before the war and one taken after. The key thing here is that even the new Goldman Sachs estimate forecasts a three-week Strait of Hormuz closure. Given that Thursday marks the 20th day of the conflict, that means the war basically needs to end right now for even the newer Goldman forecast to hold true.
How much have we given to Ukraine so far?

$182 billion.

How much money did Obama/Biden give to Iran?

Obama sent $1.7 billion to Iran.....and Biden freed up $17 billion and sent it to Iran.

All of the sudden Democrats want to act like fiscal conservatives.

And when it comes to DOGE savings.....Democraps have been fighting every single cut like there's no tomorrow.

This is typical for the DNC, who spends all of their time causing the problems and then complaining about them claiming the GOP caused all of them.
 
How much have we given to Ukraine so far?

$182 billion.

All of the sudden Democrats want to act like fiscal conservatives.

And when it comes to DOGE savings.....Democraps have been fighting every single cut like there's no tomorrow.

This is typical for the DNC, who spends all of their time causing the problems and then complaining about them claiming the GOP caused all of them.
And let's not forget the record fraud that taxpayers have paid for in states like Minnesota and California.
The concept of any Democrat caring one whit about fiscal responsibility is among the more hilarious things I've ever read. :laugh:
 
And let's not forget the record fraud that taxpayers have paid for in states like Minnesota and California.
The concept of any Democrat caring one whit about fiscal responsibility is among the more hilarious things I've ever read. :laugh:
Democrats don't really give a shit about spending. They just like using it against their enemies.
 

'Epic Fury' has already canceled out Big Beautiful Bill's tax refunds​


Money well-spent. I would rather get back a $2,000 tax refund from Donald to then donate back to kicking mullah ass hard to shut that bearded towelhead up once and for all, than to not get any tax refund at all from Joe, no defeat of Iran at all, no curbing of their nuclear plans, and just be getting a higher tax bill from Joe, longer bread lines and double the fuel and energy costs anyway.
 
It seems that there's a price to be paid for fighting Israel's wars for them.
Oh well...at least big oil benefits--as usual.
The rest of us, not so much.

I note that this article only talks about gas prices..if one factors in increased shipping costs being passed on to the consumer...it's clear that the consumer is getting screwed again.


It’s been quite an eventful 24 hours, with Israel striking an Iranian gas field, Iran replying with an attack on the world’s biggest liquefied-natural-gas facility in Qatar, and in between Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell ducking and weaving on questions about what the war will mean to the economy.

But it sets up the backdrop for an analysis done by four economists at the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research on the impact of the war on the wallets of Americans.

They compare the tax refunds stemming from the One Big Beautiful Bill Act — that giant piece of tax legislation passed last year — with the surge in gasoline prices.

The Internal Revenue Service has data on tax refunds through Feb. 27. They’re up, on average, by 11%, which is a benefit of $360 per filer compared with the same period of 2025. Outside estimates expect the average tax refund when all is said and done to be even higher. Morgan Stanley says $534 higher and the Tax Foundation says $748.

Neale Mahoney, Jared Bernstein, Caleb Brobst and Ryan Cummings use the highest number, $748, to compare with what is likely to happen at the pump over the course of the year. Bernstein was the chair of the Council of Economic Advisers in the Biden administration, and Cummings was an economist at the White House between 2021 and 2023.

Using a simple model of the pass-through of crude oil to retail gasoline prices, the Stanford economists conclude that households will pay an extra $740 in gas costs this year.


They use two estimates from Goldman Sachs on the direction of Brent oil futures, one taken before the war and one taken after. The key thing here is that even the new Goldman Sachs estimate forecasts a three-week Strait of Hormuz closure. Given that Thursday marks the 20th day of the conflict, that means the war basically needs to end right now for even the newer Goldman forecast to hold true.
Tax refunds are in stone and cant be changed
 
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Ahhhhh, nothing like a childish whine to start out my day ...

So you have NOTHING, again, but feel the need to troll my posts. When you go straight to insults, you're admitting you're incapable of rebutting the facts. It is better to say nothing and let people think you're an idiot, than to post bullshit and remove all doubt.

Trump has lost money and bankrupted his businesses over and over again. He's a fiscal incompetent who has raised the national debt to levels never before seen in your history, with his deficit busting tax cuts and profligate spending.
 
So you have NOTHING, again, but feel the need to troll my posts. When you go straight to insults, you're admitting you're incapable of rebutting the facts. It is better to say nothing and let people think you're an idiot, than to post bullshit and remove all doubt.
No when I go straight to insults it's a sign of how little regard I have for you. You're not worth a serious discussion.
Trump has lost money and bankrupted his businesses over and over again. He's a fiscal incompetent who has raised the national debt to levels never before seen in your history, with his deficit busting tax cuts and profligate spending.
When you've started as many businesses as Trump has, not every one is going to be a successful. On balance, he's a billionaire so I guess he's done something right.
I wish he were more of a fiscal conservative but, then, Democrats are the worst at that so they have no room to talk, do they?
 
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