Ending UNRWA and Advancing Peace

[P F Tinmore]

It seems you never read what you cut and pasted, tinny.

"In international law, when a state is dissolved and new states are established,"

Are you not seeing how your claim is not applicable?

No.
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The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Hollie]

It seems you never read what you cut and pasted, tinny.

"In international law, when a state is dissolved and new states are established,"

Are you not seeing how your claim is not applicable?

No.
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The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can impress us all if you acknowledge that you used keyboard shortcuts to copy and psste from wiki.

Otherwise, why did you bother?

 

[abu afak]

Everything Tinhead posted was superceded by the Partition of course.
"palestine' in the immediate post-Ottoman period encompassed all of 'Lesser Palestine', including what became Israel, And Transjordan.
One purpose of the Mandate as to create a Jewish state in Palestine and that was agreed on early on by Faisal.
The Weizmann-Faisal Agreement
Also superceded by history but posted as to intent/understanding at the time.

The partition itself did [indeed] Not Entail a Single Palestinian being displaced.
It was the Arab-started war that did that.
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[P F Tinmore]

It seems you never read what you cut and pasted, tinny.

"In international law, when a state is dissolved and new states are established,"

Are you not seeing how your claim is not applicable?

No.
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The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can impress us all if you acknowledge that you used keyboard shortcuts to copy and psste from wiki.

Otherwise, why did you bother?

I admit, I pssted from Wiki.

You can refute it if you want. Please include links.

 

[Hollie]

No.
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The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can impress us all if you acknowledge that you used keyboard shortcuts to copy and psste from wiki.

Otherwise, why did you bother?

I admit, I pssted from Wiki.

You can refute it if you want. Please include links.

Nothing to refute. The wiki article is meaningless as it applies to the territories in question.

You can deny it if you want. Please include the obligatory whining and seething.

 

[Hollie]

Some interesting (and really disturbing), data concerning UNRWA that is convincing on the need to abolish the “Palestinian” arab welfare entitlement agency.


Reforming UNRWA :: Middle East Quarterly

Should UNRWA Be Abolished?

Upon UNRWA's creation, the term "Palestine refugees" referred to all refugees—Arabs and Jews—of the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. In 1952, Israel assumed responsibility for both Jewish and Arab refugees on its territory, but the remaining Arab refugees in Egypt-occupied Gaza, Jordan-occupied West Bank, Jordan proper, Syria, and Lebanon, all subsequently referred to as Palestinians, continued to be UNRWA's responsibility.

Imagine a nonexistent nation built entirely out of whole cloth, lies, hatred, arrogant claims to unearned entitlement, and mass murder. For the sake of our thought experiment, let's assume that Western powers actually rewarded the violence and terror of this politico-religious entity with official political recognition, diplomatic legitimacy, and huge amounts cash assistance. Now envision the people occupying this imaginary state electing a diehard Islamic terror gang as their rulers.

Lastly, envision the people occupying this imaginary state who overwhelmingly form the largest employee group managing the welfare funds.

UNRWA is a large, well-established bureaucracy with nearly 30,000 staff members,[2] of whom fewer than 200 are drawn from the international community, the rest being almost entirely local Palestinians. It would be impractical to terminate the 30,000 UNRWA staff members and hire new UNHCR staff members, so if UNRWA were to be abolished, it is likely that the 30,000 UNRWA staff (perhaps less the "internationals") would be re-designated as UNHCR staff.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Everything Tinhead posted was superceded by the Partition of course.

Not true.

The partition plan (resolution 181) was rejected by the Palestinians. The mandate, Britain, would not implement the plan without the Palestinian's approval. The UN Security Council would not implement the plan without the Palestinian's approval. The plan never happened. It is irrelevant.

"palestine' in the immediate post-Ottoman period encompassed all of 'Lesser Palestine', including what became Israel, And Transjordan.
One purpose of the Mandate as to create a Jewish state in Palestine and that was agreed on early on by Faisal.
The Weizmann-Faisal Agreement

The mandate was not to create a Jewish state. The mandate was to assist Jewish immigrants in obtaining Palestinian citizenship and live in a shared state with a shared government.

The mandate was a monumental flop. Britain cut and run without accomplishing its goals.

Also superceded by history but posted as to intent/understanding at the time.

The partition itself did [indeed] Not Entail a Single Palestinian being displaced.
It was the Arab-started war that did that.
`

Not true.

There were about 300,000 Palestinian refugees before any Arab army entered Palestine.

 

[aris2chat]

7 million refugees and UNWRA spends most of the fund with in Gaza and the WB instead of for real refugee.
Half a million displaced within the PA, they should not be classified as refugees or funded by the UNWRA

UN ask for $6.5 billion for syrian refugee aid for the next and within hours they said they need $13 billion.

PA gets billions each year from the US, AL and EU as well as numerous charity programs and money raised to fund groups like hamas and IJ operation. US has already given close to half a trillion over the years.

 

[abu afak]

Everything Tinhead posted was superceded by the Partition of course.

Not true.
The partition plan (resolution 181) was rejected by the Palestinians. The mandate, Britain, would not implement the plan without the Palestinian's approval. The UN Security Council would not implement the plan without the Palestinian's approval. The plan never happened. It is irrelevant.

IOW, 'the palestinians' and 'their land', is now in Legal Limbo.
NO state, NO occupation.

"palestine' in the immediate post-Ottoman period encompassed all of 'Lesser Palestine', including what became Israel, And Transjordan.
One purpose of the Mandate as to create a Jewish state in Palestine and that was agreed on early on by Faisal.
The Weizmann-Faisal Agreement

The mandate was not to create a Jewish state. The mandate was to assist Jewish immigrants in obtaining Palestinian citizenship and live in a shared state with a shared government.
The mandate was a monumental flop. Britain cut and run without accomplishing its goals.

Simple Lying by Tinhead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_(legal_instrument)

"...The formal objective of the League of Nations Mandate system was to administer parts of the defunct Ottoman Empire, which had been in control of the Middle East since the 16th century, "until such time as they are able to stand alone."[5]
The mandate document formalised the division of Palestine, to include a National home for the Jewish people under direct British rule, and Transjordan, an Emirate governed semi-autonomously from Britain under the rule of the Hashemite family.[1]."​

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I see an Israel and a Jordan in there, Not an Arab palestine.
Not an exclusively Jewish state, But a Jewish State/Homeland, nonetheless.
See Faisal-Weizman again.

Also superceded by history but posted as to intent/understanding at the time.

The partition itself did [indeed] Not Entail a Single Palestinian being displaced.
It was the Arab-started war that did that.
`

Not true.

There were about 300,000 Palestinian refugees before any Arab army entered Palestine.

Disingenuous.
The partition [STILL] "did NOT entail a single Palestinian being displaced."
It was indeed the 1948 War, AND it's run-up, that created the Refugeees.
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[aris2chat]

Jordanian, Palestinian, Egyptian and Syria media as well as books by officials from the time verify that hundreds of thousand arabs were told before hand to leave and had vacated villages and homes and were on the roads before the armies began to move.
Syria tanks rolled over arab families that did not get out of the way without regard to life. Everyone had their own ambitions for palestine and the arab nations had no concern about the palestinians or giving them a state. Getting palestinians out would expedite their own conquest and expected annexation.
I understand most don't read arabic but there were enough translations and excerpts. I'm sure some of the books and newspapers of the time would be in the Cairo or Amman Libraries and digital copies and translations should be available to order. Some transcripts of the radio transmission should be available, the libraries would know more about order transcripts or who to contact about them.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Jordanian, Palestinian, Egyptian and Syria media as well as books by officials from the time verify that hundreds of thousand arabs were told before hand to leave and had vacated villages and homes and were on the roads before the armies began to move.
Syria tanks rolled over arab families that did not get out of the way without regard to life. Everyone had their own ambitions for palestine and the arab nations had no concern about the palestinians or giving them a state. Getting palestinians out would expedite their own conquest and expected annexation.
I understand most don't read arabic but there were enough translations and excerpts. I'm sure some of the books and newspapers of the time would be in the Cairo or Amman Libraries and digital copies and translations should be available to order. Some transcripts of the radio transmission should be available, the libraries would know more about order transcripts or who to contact about them.

Those studies have been made and it was found that only a few percent left because they were told to.

 

[Peterf]

It’s long past time to defund the black hole that is UNRWA.

The UNRWA is the world's hugest welfare program. It exists purely to perpetuate the invented "refugee" status of Palestinian Arabs who fled their homes when Arab armies told them to get out of the way so the Jew-genocide could commence. It's the only such agency for a terror quasi-state, and it gets $100 million annually from U.S. taxpayers. Does that money go to help impoverished Palestinian Arabs who need to eat and receive medical care or does it buy new Kalashnikovs and plastic explosives for Hamas?

Cutting off UNRWA’s budget would be the appropriate anti-islamic terrorism measure aimed at Hamas in Gaza. It would force them to either provide services to “Palestinian” arabs or admit they have no intention of doing so. It would also send an important message to the UN, which perpetuates the ”Palestinian” arab welfare fraud and lends legitimacy to groups like Hamas through UNRWA’s continued existence.

The US will look for allies in vain. The democratically unaccountable EU will continue to fund UNRWA indefinitely. So it comes down to a US administration that is willing to cut of funding unilaterally.

Shining a spotlight on UNRWA helps educate those who, pathetically, think that the UN is some sort of force for good.

 

[Peterf]

Jordanian, Palestinian, Egyptian and Syria media as well as books by officials from the time verify that hundreds of thousand arabs were told before hand to leave and had vacated villages and homes and were on the roads before the armies began to move.
Syria tanks rolled over arab families that did not get out of the way without regard to life. Everyone had their own ambitions for palestine and the arab nations had no concern about the palestinians or giving them a state. Getting palestinians out would expedite their own conquest and expected annexation.
I understand most don't read arabic but there were enough translations and excerpts. I'm sure some of the books and newspapers of the time would be in the Cairo or Amman Libraries and digital copies and translations should be available to order. Some transcripts of the radio transmission should be available, the libraries would know more about order transcripts or who to contact about them.

Those studies have been made and it was found that only a few percent left because they were told to.

As always it depends on just who was making the studies.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It’s long past time to defund the black hole that is UNRWA.

The UNRWA is the world's hugest welfare program. It exists purely to perpetuate the invented "refugee" status of Palestinian Arabs who fled their homes when Arab armies told them to get out of the way so the Jew-genocide could commence. It's the only such agency for a terror quasi-state, and it gets $100 million annually from U.S. taxpayers. Does that money go to help impoverished Palestinian Arabs who need to eat and receive medical care or does it buy new Kalashnikovs and plastic explosives for Hamas?

Cutting off UNRWA’s budget would be the appropriate anti-islamic terrorism measure aimed at Hamas in Gaza. It would force them to either provide services to “Palestinian” arabs or admit they have no intention of doing so. It would also send an important message to the UN, which perpetuates the ”Palestinian” arab welfare fraud and lends legitimacy to groups like Hamas through UNRWA’s continued existence.

The US will look for allies in vain. The democratically unaccountable EU will continue to fund UNRWA indefinitely. So it comes down to a US administration that is willing to cut of funding unilaterally.

Shining a spotlight on UNRWA helps educate those who, pathetically, think that the UN is some sort of force for good.

Cutting off UNRWA’s funding would only increase the pressure on Israel for the right to return.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Jordanian, Palestinian, Egyptian and Syria media as well as books by officials from the time verify that hundreds of thousand arabs were told before hand to leave and had vacated villages and homes and were on the roads before the armies began to move.
Syria tanks rolled over arab families that did not get out of the way without regard to life. Everyone had their own ambitions for palestine and the arab nations had no concern about the palestinians or giving them a state. Getting palestinians out would expedite their own conquest and expected annexation.
I understand most don't read arabic but there were enough translations and excerpts. I'm sure some of the books and newspapers of the time would be in the Cairo or Amman Libraries and digital copies and translations should be available to order. Some transcripts of the radio transmission should be available, the libraries would know more about order transcripts or who to contact about them.

Those studies have been made and it was found that only a few percent left because they were told to.

As always it depends on just who was making the studies.

Good point. Look it up.

 

[Billo_Really]

Are you thinking that people living in a defined area became citizens of someplace else?

I bet that racist skank actually does think that?

 

[Hollie]

It’s long past time to defund the black hole that is UNRWA.

The UNRWA is the world's hugest welfare program. It exists purely to perpetuate the invented "refugee" status of Palestinian Arabs who fled their homes when Arab armies told them to get out of the way so the Jew-genocide could commence. It's the only such agency for a terror quasi-state, and it gets $100 million annually from U.S. taxpayers. Does that money go to help impoverished Palestinian Arabs who need to eat and receive medical care or does it buy new Kalashnikovs and plastic explosives for Hamas?

Cutting off UNRWA’s budget would be the appropriate anti-islamic terrorism measure aimed at Hamas in Gaza. It would force them to either provide services to “Palestinian” arabs or admit they have no intention of doing so. It would also send an important message to the UN, which perpetuates the ”Palestinian” arab welfare fraud and lends legitimacy to groups like Hamas through UNRWA’s continued existence.

The US will look for allies in vain. The democratically unaccountable EU will continue to fund UNRWA indefinitely. So it comes down to a US administration that is willing to cut of funding unilaterally.

Shining a spotlight on UNRWA helps educate those who, pathetically, think that the UN is some sort of force for good.

Cutting off UNRWA’s funding would only increase the pressure on Israel for the right to return.

Nonsense. Cutting off UNRWA would require accountability be placed on islamic terrorists who currently have a welfare program to fund hate and murder.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The US will look for allies in vain. The democratically unaccountable EU will continue to fund UNRWA indefinitely. So it comes down to a US administration that is willing to cut of funding unilaterally.

Shining a spotlight on UNRWA helps educate those who, pathetically, think that the UN is some sort of force for good.

Cutting off UNRWA’s funding would only increase the pressure on Israel for the right to return.

Nonsense. Cutting off UNRWA would require accountability be placed on islamic terrorists who currently have a welfare program to fund hate and murder.

Israel created the refugee problem. Islamists had nothing to do with it.

 

[Hollie]

Cutting off UNRWA’s funding would only increase the pressure on Israel for the right to return.

Nonsense. Cutting off UNRWA would require accountability be placed on islamic terrorists who currently have a welfare program to fund hate and murder.

Israel created the refugee problem. Islamists had nothing to do with it.

Nonsense. The itinerant Arab squatters occupying the territories were just that: occupiers.

Islamist terrorists found that an invented people with an invented nationality could be used to extort money and sympathy from the West.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nonsense. Cutting off UNRWA would require accountability be placed on islamic terrorists who currently have a welfare program to fund hate and murder.

Israel created the refugee problem. Islamists had nothing to do with it.

Nonsense. The itinerant Arab squatters occupying the territories were just that: occupiers.

Islamist terrorists found that an invented people with an invented nationality could be used to extort money and sympathy from the West.

Upon its detachment from the Ottomans, the territory of Palestine became distinct from its neighboring countries.6In fact, this separation began between Palestine and the newly created Arab ‘states’: Trans-Jordan (as it was called), Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon.7 Soon thereafter, Palestine’s frontiers acquired permanent recognition through bilateral agreements with its neighbors. Following the international legal framework that had been established by the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne ending the Ottoman nominal/official sovereignty over the Arab Middle East, each of the four countries instituted a separate nationality for its population through domestic legislation. Nationalities in these countries have since then become well established.

7Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory. It is therefore imperative to examine the boundaries of Palestine in order to define the piece of land on which Palestinian nationality was established. Determining borders will also help us identify the new nationalities of the inhabitants in the neighboring countries who were Ottoman citizens as well. Such a determination will thus identify, by exclusion, those who held Palestinian nationality.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel