EMTALA and the "Law of Unintended Consequences"

[healthmyths]

The "law of unintended consequences"
"intervention in a complex system invariably creates unanticipated and often undesirable outcomes."
Unintended consequences - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Congress thinking they were doing something "GOOD" for Americans!!!
In 1986, Congress enacted the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA) that if a hospital takes
Medicare, they have to regardless of an individual's ability to pay. provide stabilizing treatment for patients.."

Intervention in a complex system..
Evidence:
I have access to a database of 6,000 hospitals in the USA specifically to what they charged Medicare and what the hospital's cost to perform the services.

In 2009 the University Community Hospital in Tampa sent Medicare 2,110 claims for CAT scan no contrast.
Each claim averaged: $2,635 which is what the hospital billed Medicare...
The hospital's ACTUAL COSTS to perform the CAT SCAN was $43 a mark up 6,127.91%

In 2011 Medical Center of Lewisville, Tx sent to Medicare 700 claims for CAT scan no contrast each claim for $4,270.
The cost to perform the service was $153. A 2,690% markup.

So these are two examples of how Medicare is "OK" with the markup BECAUSE of EMTALA!

For something that had good intentions but interference with a complex system just snowballed to the point we have now!

FOLKS! There has always been a simpler way of allowing these uninsured to be serviced WITHOUT the hospitals "padding and passing"
on to Medicare/insurance and out of pocket payers!

There is a simple way that would entail NO destruction of the perfectly working fine health care system!
There is a simple way of paying for these truly 5 million uninsured that are legally here, are not covered by Medicaid and do want coverage!

If you want more information.. let me know!!!

 

[Publius1787]

And when liberals intervene, they ultimately create a market failure. Then they blame the market, deaminize the rich, blame insurance companies, and call for more laws to fix their failure. Why do we have cost shifting? Look above. What was Obamacare supposed to do? Stop cost shifting. What happened? Premiums skyrocketed. The next step? Demonize the market, blame the rich, go after the insurance companies, and advocate for universal healthcare where everyone gets treated poorly and our politicians will outsource their care to whatever free market is left.

 

[healthmyths]

Obamacare while it appears to be a "Good intention" was passed on false pretenses!
10 million of the 46 million Obama says are uninsured.. ARE NOT CITIZENS!
14 million ARE ALREADY eligible for Medicaid but not enrolled.. are counted!
18 million counted fraudulently as "uninsured" make over $50K,under 34 yrs old and spend less $1,000 a year thus don't want but could have employer insurance.
42 million of the 46 million are not eligible, are but not enrolled and don't want insurance,
YET that was what a large number of Congress obviously didn't know when they passed Obamacare!
It was a LIE! Never have been 46 million wanting or eligible for insurance but couldn't get it as Obama says..

That fundamental fraud is still not being grasped by people especially Congress!
Obamacare passed with just 6 votes. If those 6 votes REALIZED the LIE there were never 46 million truly uninsured people the destruction of
health system for 98.3% of the rest of us would not be happening!

 

[healthmyths]

A new study finds that insurance companies will have to pay out an average of 32 percent more for medical claims under President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.
News from The Associated Press
This is why the actuaries who calculate insurance premiums..

THEY calculated and the updating of rate charts,sales material etc.. and this is what the actuaries..."experts" have said will happen:
A nationwide study conducted by Milliman Inc. for the Society of Actuaries found that nationwide the premiums in the individual market would increase from 8 to 37 percent in 2014 with a cumulative increase of as much as 122 percent between 2013 and 2017!!!

Take the time like I did download from the Society of Actuaries SOA - Society of Actuaries - Design and Implementation Considerations of ACA Risk Mitigation Programs and see health insurance premiums will increase 122%!

I'm not saying it.. the actuaries are saying that when Obama said During his first campaign for the presidency in 2008,
the president promised that his health reform plan would “bring down premiums by $2,500 for the typical family” by the end of his first term.

Do you understand this is why people are concerned TODAY!!

Although President Obama repeatedly claimed that health-insurance premiums for a family would be $2,500 lower by the end of his first term, they are actually about $3,000 higher—a spread of about $5,500 per family.

Matthews and Litow: ObamaCare's Health-Insurance Sticker Shock - WSJ.com

 

[KnobbyWalsh]

Obamacare was just another sell-out to the medical industry. There's enough medical industry lobbyists in Washington to populate the island of Guam.

 

[healthmyths]

Obamacare was just another sell-out to the medical industry. There's enough medical industry lobbyists in Washington to populate the island of Guam.

Geez YOU are so f...king stupid !
There was NEVER any value to lobbying for Obamacare!''
You know if you really want to have SELL-OUTS how about the $850 billion a year in duplicate tests,etc. that physicians ADMIT they do all because they fear being sued!
Lawyers contributed $300 million to congress/obama to prevent any tort reform that would have REDUCED this by at least $100 billion a year!

But I should have expected idiocy out of someone who can't even do simple arithmetic!
If these idiots in D.C. can't even subtract 10 million illegals, 14 million ALREADY covered and 18 million that don't want or need insurance leaving less then 5 million that truly are "UNISURED" and want insurance instead of the LIE of 46 million..
why should I expect more from YOU?

More importantly why would there be ANY changes when a simple tax just like Obamacare is doing to tanning salons would PAY the premiums for the 5 million truly uninsured!
THAT simple. $200 billion a year lawyers make mostly from health care would generate $20 billion!
10% just as Obamacare taxes tanning salons tax lawyers!
That $20 billion would pay a $4,000 premium for each of the less then 5 million!
THEN hospitals would NOT be allowed by Medicare to "pad and Pass" sometimes at 6,000% markup!
I'm so disgusted with the acceptance by Medicare because they know hospitals see uninsured under law known as EMTALA!

Almost $100 billion a year could be saved in Medicare alone if hospitals WERE Forbidden to "pad and pass" like the 6,000% markup!

In 2009 the University Community Hospital in Tampa sent Medicare 2,110 claims for CAT scan no contrast.
Each claim averaged: $2,635 which is what the hospital billed Medicare...
The hospital's ACTUAL COSTS to perform the CAT SCAN was $43 a mark up 6,127.91%

In 2011 Medical Center of Lewisville, Tx sent to Medicare 700 claims for CAT scan no contrast each claim for $4,270.
The cost to perform the service was $153. A 2,690% markup.

So these are two examples of how Medicare is "OK" with the markup BECAUSE of EMTALA!

 

[healthmyths]

"watershed moment in the ongoing disaster of ObamaCare, as Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius finally admits that health insurance premiums are rising because of the President’s health insurance takeover, per the Wall Street Journal:
Sebelius: Yep,

Those of us obviously that KNOW there were never 46 million truly uninsured were TELLING these novice Obamatrons that this would happen because
A) these obamatrons can't COUNT!!!
B) If they have problems counting then how in the hell will they manage 1/6th of the GDP???

Again.. they can't even keep track when they say 46 million uninsured that:
A) 10 million of their 46 million ARE NOT CITIZENS!!!
B) 14 million counted as "uninsured" don't need because all they have to do is register with Medicaid!
C) 18 million who don't want, don't need insurance because they spend less then the premiums costs per year on health services!

If Sebelius and her ilk can't even keep track of those simple numbers how can they handle BIGGER numbers,issues,complexities?

 

[editec]

What I finds MOST astounding is that ACA is DESIGNED to benefit the HC insurance industry and that is so obvious. that even the original posters understands THAT.

Yet this board's resident Obama Deranged posters STILL think this is a LEFTIST solution and Obama is a closet socialist.




You just cannot fix stupid, I guess.