Ian thinks you can stack up individual elements of a lower temperature to yield the sum of all individual temperatures because energy can be the sum of individual elements. Then if you ask him why he can`t weld steel if I let him have as many BIC cigarette lighters as he wants he deflects the subject to something else.
What utter fucking bullshit!
Quote one of my posts that led you to make such a ridiculous and incorrect strawman of my position.
You won't because you can't.
On the other hand I can provide examples of where you abandoned threads after being asked pointed questions that would have illustrated your mistakes if you tried to answer.
Ian, if you accept the 33 degrees warmer with an atmosphere than without an atmosphere argument, then you, in fact, accept adding temperatures together to reach a higher temperature. I already demonstrated that ....so yes, you do believe that you can add temperatures together to get a higher temperature.
The demonstration was at this thread...this post specifically
Questions.....RE: The Greenhouse Effect
It went something like this.
SSDD said:
OK....at long last someone has the cojones required to state the obvious...or more likely, the brains and education required to see the obvious....can you believe 83 posts just to get someone to state what that simple equation is saying?
So here is the point of my thread....we have 239.7 more or less radiating from the surface...and 239.7 more or less radiating down from the atmosphere which combine to give us enough radiation to achieve an approximate of the average global temperature.
At its foundation, the greenhouse effect is based on the claim that if you have two objects radiating at roughly the same temperature, their radiation will combine and they will radiate at a higher temperature....I could, replace the atmosphere with a block of ice radiating at 32 degrees rather than the -18 degrees that the 239.7 equates to...and put it next to another block of ice radiating at 32 degrees and combined, they would radiate at some temperature higher than 32 degrees.
That, my friend, is a thermodynamic impossibility...you could have a swimming pool full of ice blocks and their combined radiation would never result in an effective radiating temperature of more than 32 degrees....now, if you have a thermodynamic impossibility represented in the most basic version of your model....no matter how complicated you make that model, you will never make that thermodynamic impossibility true.
And a couple of posts down, I plugged the temperature of a couple of different objects into the equation that is the basis of the greenhouse effect and got a startling result.
Questions.....RE: The Greenhouse Effect
SSDD said:
So check this out...using the formula which describes the basic mechanism of the greenhouse effect....
239.7 + 239.7 = sigmaT^4
=>T = (239.7 + 239.7) / (5.67x10^-8) = 303K or 29.85C
We can plug in the radiation emitted from a couple of ice cubes....approximately 315.64wm^2 each
315.64 + 315.64 = sigma T^4
=> T + (315.64 + 315.64) / (5.67 x 10^-8) = 324K or 50.85C
Imagine...putting two ice cubes at 32 degrees and getting an output of 631wm^2 or almost 51 degrees C....who would have thought....and this thermodynamic impossibility is the basis for the mechanism of the greenhouse effect.
So yes ian, you believe that you can add temperatures and get a higher temperature...in order to believe the basis of the greenhouse effect, you must also believe that if you put two ice cubes together they will radiate at a little higher than 50 degrees C.